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ESEA-Invite: Classic Mixup vs. tri Hards
  Wednesday, July 10, 2013
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START 11:30 PM EDT STREAM TeamFortressTV ABOUT
Mixup looks to get revenge against a vulnerable tri Hards. Casting by cbear and Ruwin; camera by TrukTruk.
STATUS Completed
ETA – 283 days
Map - cp_gullywash
#1 –26 –25 –27 Frags
4-3 Mixup
#believe #lastpointstalemates #enigmabestoffclasserintheworldsincemackeyleft #clkwrkchokingharderthancp_junction
4-3 Mixup
#believe #lastpointstalemates #enigmabestoffclasserintheworldsincemackeyleft #clkwrkchokingharderthancp_junction
#2 +7 +8 +6 Frags
^ what??

should be a great game.
^ what??

should be a great game.
#3 +3 +4 +2 Frags
yay!
yay!
#4 +2 +3 +1 Frags
5-2 tri hards, as long as they continue to be confident and aggressive.
5-2 tri hards, as long as they continue to be confident and aggressive.
#5 +5 +6 +4 Frags
^ what??

What?
That's my prediction.
Gullywash is the only map with a more turtley last than snakewater, with possibly too much room for heavy and pyro play. The offclasses make or break a hold here. Enigma is hands down the best offclasser in Invite right now. He's the best pyro (eh, maybe bloodsire's better, debateable), and he's a great heavy. Harb's got the spy plays (difficult to make a pred based on something like this, but it's got to be a factor when you're looking at this map), and if enigma wants to fulltime pyro Harb can play heavy perfectly well too. Dabes can snipe; if I'm him right now I'd be grinding sniper MGE/pubs until I'm confident, and I think Dabes can compete with Clockwork if Dabes is feeling good.

Mix^ is a team that doesn't lose its last point to anything short of miraculous sniper plays or a mistake from Smaka. Clockwork is definitely the guy to watch to make those two things happen. Look at the Trihards v HRG match. Clockwork was not playing great. 15/24 is not great for the #1 scout in the world. I don't know if he's gonna be on his game for this match, but if he's even a little bit off, there's no chance for TriHards to break through Mix^'s last point 5 times in one hour of play. Mix^ is gonna have some great holds and some great pushes from last-to-last.

That takes us to when Trihards hold their last. I can't say that Boomer is a reliable offclasser cause I just don't know him well enough, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see Trihards put clock on sniper for holding/attacking last and keep everyone else on main classes all the time. That's not a winning strategy on this map. Plat will out-uber Tri any day, so Dummy will probably have to get the ubers unless Trihards want to take a big risk letting Plat go crazy (spoiler alert: he is the best in NA at taking advantage of a good uber, don't give it to him). I think that a dummy uber could also go really badly for Trihards though. He can't keep traps up on last if he's the first line of defense against Plat, and that opens up Enigma/Harbleu backcaps. I just don't see a way for Trihards to reliably hold last for more than one or two pushes, and they almost certainly won't be pushing out successfully.

The midfights and attacks on second point aren't going to be important in this match. The games will be won and lost by offclasses and last-point holds. If Trihards can put together a last point defense that doesn't force dummy away from the point, I might be wrong about a Mix^ victory, but this game looks like a back and forth match that will appear way more close than it is: it's going to be Mix^ in control 90% of the time with clockwork taking advantage of the other 10% to take a couple rounds. We'll see one team go to last, and the other will domino cap all the way back, rinse-repeat-etc. Mix^ will end up taking any round that Smaka doesn't drop uber in.

If I'm wrong with my earlier pred, then I'm probably overestimating Trihard's ability to win rounds. They could easily end up with 2 or less points on this map if they screw up. But either way I don't think the nature of gullywash allows Mix^ to push off their own last quickly enough to win 5 rounds unless this match is a huge roll. It'll be a 4-3 or a 4-2, with Mix^ winning, unless Clockwork goes huge and carries to victory. Yes, this is a scout map, so it's a great place for clockwork to shine, but I like enigma's odds on this map, and either way nothing matters on this map except last. Blaze can make all the plays in the world at mid, but it doesn't get a round win unless clockwork follows it up with an entry pick on last.

It's easy to bet in favor of clock, but I'm counting on this match showing how much more consistent enigma is over clockwork. They're both in the top 3 of scouts in the world, so it could go either way. This matchup is gonna be huge in this game, and I'm gonna go with enigma this time.

So, like I said:
Mix^ wins, 4-3.
Can one of my -fraggers give an argument for why Trihards should win? :)
[quote=null]^ what??
[/quote]
What?
That's my prediction.
Gullywash is the only map with a more turtley last than snakewater, with possibly too much room for heavy and pyro play. The offclasses make or break a hold here. Enigma is hands down the best offclasser in Invite right now. He's the best pyro (eh, maybe bloodsire's better, debateable), and he's a great heavy. Harb's got the spy plays (difficult to make a pred based on something like this, but it's got to be a factor when you're looking at this map), and if enigma wants to fulltime pyro Harb can play heavy perfectly well too. Dabes can snipe; if I'm him right now I'd be grinding sniper MGE/pubs until I'm confident, and I think Dabes can compete with Clockwork if Dabes is feeling good.

Mix^ is a team that doesn't lose its last point to anything short of miraculous sniper plays or a mistake from Smaka. Clockwork is definitely the guy to watch to make those two things happen. Look at the Trihards v HRG match. Clockwork was not playing great. 15/24 is not great for the #1 scout in the world. I don't know if he's gonna be on his game for this match, but if he's even a little bit off, there's no chance for TriHards to break through Mix^'s last point 5 times in one hour of play. Mix^ is gonna have some great holds and some great pushes from last-to-last.

That takes us to when Trihards hold their last. I can't say that Boomer is a reliable offclasser cause I just don't know him well enough, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see Trihards put clock on sniper for holding/attacking last and keep everyone else on main classes all the time. That's not a winning strategy on this map. Plat will out-uber Tri any day, so Dummy will probably have to get the ubers unless Trihards want to take a big risk letting Plat go crazy (spoiler alert: he is the best in NA at taking advantage of a good uber, don't give it to him). I think that a dummy uber could also go really badly for Trihards though. He can't keep traps up on last if he's the first line of defense against Plat, and that opens up Enigma/Harbleu backcaps. I just don't see a way for Trihards to reliably hold last for more than one or two pushes, and they almost certainly won't be pushing out successfully.

The midfights and attacks on second point aren't going to be important in this match. The games will be won and lost by offclasses and last-point holds. If Trihards can put together a last point defense that doesn't force dummy away from the point, I might be wrong about a Mix^ victory, but this game looks like a back and forth match that will appear way more close than it is: it's going to be Mix^ in control 90% of the time with clockwork taking advantage of the other 10% to take a couple rounds. We'll see one team go to last, and the other will domino cap all the way back, rinse-repeat-etc. Mix^ will end up taking any round that Smaka doesn't drop uber in.

If I'm wrong with my earlier pred, then I'm probably overestimating Trihard's ability to win rounds. They could easily end up with 2 or less points on this map if they screw up. But either way I don't think the nature of gullywash allows Mix^ to push off their own last quickly enough to win 5 rounds unless this match is a huge roll. It'll be a 4-3 or a 4-2, with Mix^ winning, unless Clockwork goes huge and carries to victory. Yes, this is a scout map, so it's a great place for clockwork to shine, but I like enigma's odds on this map, and either way nothing matters on this map except last. Blaze can make all the plays in the world at mid, but it doesn't get a round win unless clockwork follows it up with an entry pick on last.

It's easy to bet in favor of clock, but I'm counting on this match showing how much more consistent enigma is over clockwork. They're both in the top 3 of scouts in the world, so it could go either way. This matchup is gonna be huge in this game, and I'm gonna go with enigma this time.

So, like I said:
Mix^ wins, 4-3.
Can one of my -fraggers give an argument for why Trihards should win? :)
#6 +14 +15 +13 Frags
^If this guy ends up right, he's a genius.
^If this guy ends up right, he's a genius.
#7 +35 +36 +34 Frags

Can one of my -fraggers give an argument for why Trihards should win? :)

i minus fragged because hashtags
[quote=Koobadoobs]
Can one of my -fraggers give an argument for why Trihards should win? :)[/quote]
i minus fragged because hashtags
#8 +1 +2 0 Frags
I want mix^ to win, but I don't know enough about either team to give a reason why.
I want mix^ to win, but I don't know enough about either team to give a reason why.
#9 +7 +8 +6 Frags


#accuratepredictions
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#accuratepredictions
#10 +10 +11 +9 Frags
[img]http://i.imgur.com/WOkyO7q.jpg[/img]
#11 0 +1 –1 Frags
This shud be gud
i wud watch
This shud be gud
i wud watch
#12 0 +1 –1 Frags
arent you casting?
arent you casting?
#13 0 +1 –1 Frags
the hashtags
the hashtags
#14 +1 +2 0 Frags
more info on tonights cast: http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1i1ah4/watch_some_6v6_tf2_tonight_see_how_the_best_teams/
more info on tonights cast: http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1i1ah4/watch_some_6v6_tf2_tonight_see_how_the_best_teams/
#15 –2 –1 –3 Frags
While I can see the points in #5 I'm not sure that the off-classing is as big of a deal as they make it out to be nor is the skill-level between the teams on said classes that wide of a gap. If clckwrk is truly as great as many people believe he is he should be doing just fine since he's arguably as experienced with his class as most of the mix^ guys are since many of them are on classes they haven't been for seasons. Sure Plat & Co. can easily be a top 5 NA even if they ran a full time sniper or something with their experience but had they been the same classes as before I don't think they would seem as mortal as this current incarnation. I have the feeling that it's either going to be less than 5 rounds total with both sides having an unbreakable fortress on last or 5-4 either way with rolls and heartbreaker rounds left and right.

Personally I want to see some crazy desperado plays trying to get to that all importain final point capture with overtime and casters that scream their voices out when someone finally wins.
While I can see the points in #5 I'm not sure that the off-classing is as big of a deal as they make it out to be nor is the skill-level between the teams on said classes that wide of a gap. If clckwrk is truly as great as many people believe he is he should be doing just fine since he's arguably as experienced with his class as most of the mix^ guys are since many of them are on classes they haven't been for seasons. Sure Plat & Co. can easily be a top 5 NA even if they ran a full time sniper or something with their experience but had they been the same classes as before I don't think they would seem as mortal as this current incarnation. I have the feeling that it's either going to be less than 5 rounds total with both sides having an unbreakable fortress on last or 5-4 either way with rolls and heartbreaker rounds left and right.

Personally I want to see some crazy desperado plays trying to get to that all importain final point capture with overtime and casters that scream their voices out when someone finally wins.
#16 +1 +2 0 Frags
Update is incoming, which means...

Urgh

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3147613
Update is incoming, which means...


Urgh

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3147613
#17 +1 +2 0 Frags
^ what??

That takes us to when Trihards hold their last. I can't say that Boomer is a reliable offclasser cause I just don't know him well enough, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see Trihards put clock on sniper for holding/attacking last and keep everyone else on main classes all the time.


It's refreshing to see someone give an in-depth explanation. That being said, I think you're underestimating Boomer's heavy/offclassing play. Boomer on heavy is pretty standard for Tri Hards. Boomer to carry.
[quote=Koobadoobs][quote=null]^ what??
[/quote]
That takes us to when Trihards hold their last. I can't say that Boomer is a reliable offclasser cause I just don't know him well enough, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see Trihards put clock on sniper for holding/attacking last and keep everyone else on main classes all the time.[/quote]

It's refreshing to see someone give an in-depth explanation. That being said, I think you're underestimating Boomer's heavy/offclassing play. Boomer on heavy is pretty standard for Tri Hards. Boomer to carry.
#18 +1 +2 0 Frags
enigma goes krit-pyro and carry mix^ to victory
enigma goes krit-pyro and carry mix^ to victory
#19 +11 +12 +10 Frags
I am sure everyone will be watching now to see what weapons to use post-update.
I am sure everyone will be watching now to see what weapons to use post-update.
#20 +11 +12 +10 Frags
Hoping for some quick-fix action tonight...
Hoping for some quick-fix action tonight...
#21 +3 +4 +2 Frags
Waiting for Harbleu to beef it big time with the new Escape Plan. Also Hoping for some quick-fix action tonight...
^this so much
Mix^ 5-3
Waiting for Harbleu to beef it big time with the new Escape Plan. Also [quote=Lexx]Hoping for some quick-fix action tonight...[/quote]
^this so much
Mix^ 5-3
#22 +4 +5 +3 Frags
is this still gonna be happening? don't wanna stay up late otherwise :>
is this still gonna be happening? don't wanna stay up late otherwise :>
#23 –3 –2 –4 Frags
^ what??

That takes us to when Trihards hold their last. I can't say that Boomer is a reliable offclasser cause I just don't know him well enough, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see Trihards put clock on sniper for holding/attacking last and keep everyone else on main classes all the time.


It's refreshing to see someone give an in-depth explanation. That being said, I think you're underestimating Boomer's heavy/offclassing play. Boomer on heavy is pretty standard for Tri Hards. Boomer to carry.

Oh, really? Yeah, like I said I don't know him that well. Even so, that doesn't get Tri hards any round wins, just better defense. My pred remains unchanged. :) I hope I'm right haha.
[quote=Maple][quote=Koobadoobs][quote=null]^ what??
[/quote]
That takes us to when Trihards hold their last. I can't say that Boomer is a reliable offclasser cause I just don't know him well enough, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see Trihards put clock on sniper for holding/attacking last and keep everyone else on main classes all the time.[/quote]

It's refreshing to see someone give an in-depth explanation. That being said, I think you're underestimating Boomer's heavy/offclassing play. Boomer on heavy is pretty standard for Tri Hards. Boomer to carry.[/quote]
Oh, really? Yeah, like I said I don't know him that well. Even so, that doesn't get Tri hards any round wins, just better defense. My pred remains unchanged. :) I hope I'm right haha.
#24 +1 +2 0 Frags
Hoping that the winger sees some usage.
#wingerNation
Hoping that the winger sees some usage.
#wingerNation
#25 0 +1 –1 Frags
Hoping that the winger sees some usage.
#wingerNation

I think scouts can get on nipple now.
[quote=ToastyTHT]Hoping that the winger sees some usage.
#wingerNation[/quote]
I think scouts can get on nipple now.
#26 +6 +7 +5 Frags
first team to run quick fix wins
first team to run quick fix wins
#27 0 +1 –1 Frags
4-3 Mixup
#believe #lastpointstalemates #enigmabestoffclasserintheworldsincemackeyleft #clkwrkchokingharderthancp_junction

I laughed, I don't know why you're down to oblivion in "frags" or "insert meaningless internet points here"
[quote=Koobadoobs]4-3 Mixup
#believe #lastpointstalemates #enigmabestoffclasserintheworldsincemackeyleft #clkwrkchokingharderthancp_junction[/quote]
I laughed, I don't know why you're down to oblivion in "frags" or "insert meaningless internet points here"
#28 0 +1 –1 Frags
get hype
get hype
#29 +3 +4 +2 Frags
KROSSBOWKID
KROSSBOWKID
#30 +7 +8 +6 Frags
Please, right before Mixup just capped out for their 3rd time (3-1), harb was spy and both soldiers jumped when coming out of spawn, and killed him. Glimpses of Mediocricy please :D
Please, right before Mixup just capped out for their 3rd time (3-1), harb was spy and both soldiers jumped when coming out of spawn, and killed him. Glimpses of Mediocricy please :D
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