Forum IndexTeam Fortress 2General DiscussionComp.tf - A competitive tf2 wiki?
#1
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The idea was born at the beginning of this year, I always had this idea to make a central hub for all things related to competitive tf2 to be able to help out newbies with lots of guides and even experienced players with information more easily accessible, so I bought the domain like in January and decided to start working on it. It looked something like this originally screen

I posted about it back in april on these forums , and it got a few visits but I never got the motivation back to finish it.

So a few days ago I read on a post around here somewhere about a competitive wiki that had players profiles and it struck me, instead of working on a basic wp site and doing it all by myself a wiki would be so much better for this kind of thing, and besides I could get the community working on it as well...

If you want to help out, just register an account at comp.tf and start writing stuff...

About anything, from class guides, to map guides or even player profiles, everything goes now, if I get enough participation from the community I will start creating guidelines and user groups but for now everyone registered should be able to create and edit.

Let's make this a point of reference for our scene, if we could manage to write a comprehensive guide for competitive tf2 to where we could direct every beginner it would be great for our scene

Let me know what you think.
The idea was born at the beginning of this year, I always had this idea to make a central hub for all things related to competitive tf2 to be able to help out newbies with lots of guides and even experienced players with information more easily accessible, so I bought the domain like in January and decided to start working on it. It looked something like this originally [url=http://i.imgur.com/Re3JDki.png]screen [/url]

I posted about it back in april on these forums [url=teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/7700/2#post-112318][/url], and it got a few visits but I never got the motivation back to finish it.

So a few days ago I read on a post around here somewhere about a competitive wiki that had players profiles and it struck me, instead of working on a basic wp site and doing it all by myself a wiki would be so much better for this kind of thing, and besides I could get the community working on it as well...

If you want to help out, just register an account at [url=http://comp.tf]comp.tf[/url] and start writing stuff...
[url=http://comp.tf][img]http://i.imgur.com/cF3ZCIJ.png[/img][/url]
About anything, from class guides, to map guides or even player profiles, everything goes now, if I get enough participation from the community I will start creating guidelines and user groups but for now everyone registered should be able to create and edit.

Let's make this a point of reference for our scene, if we could manage to write a comprehensive guide for competitive tf2 to where we could direct every beginner it would be great for our scene

Let me know what you think.
#2 7 8 6 Frags
Sounds amazing.
Sounds amazing.
#3 4 5 3 Frags
I love the idea! I hope you have some sort of system to prevent people from trolling, and something to make sure information is accurate. EG: I could see a page about interp having lots of confusing and contradictory information if it's a collaboration so it'd probably be best to have it come from a reputable source. If that could be implemented this could be great!
I love the idea! I hope you have some sort of system to prevent people from trolling, and something to make sure information is accurate. EG: I could see a page about interp having lots of confusing and contradictory information if it's a collaboration so it'd probably be best to have it come from a reputable source. If that could be implemented this could be great!
#4 2 3 1 Frags
The site is currently a completely clean installation of mediawiki, so it's like a big canvas waiting to be explored, feel free to be creative, and try not to mess other users work.

I love the idea! I hope you have some sort of system to prevent people from trolling, and something to make sure information is accurate. EG: I could see a page about interp having lots of confusing and contradictory information if it's a collaboration so it'd probably be best to have it come from a reputable source. If that could be implemented this could be great!

I am aware of this, also I am not very familiar with mediawiki, but I will try to learn the most I can in the near future so i can start making some changes. Particularly thinking about user groups, setting a decent homepage, start adding active users to "admin/mods" groups and etc... If this gets enough help I will work my best on it. I just need everyone to be on board.

Edit: depending on the support this gets, I will eventually think about moving to a dedicated host, currently hosting it on a shared account I have for all my other sites.
The site is currently a completely clean installation of mediawiki, so it's like a big canvas waiting to be explored, feel free to be creative, and try not to mess other users work.

[quote=hanbrolo]I love the idea! I hope you have some sort of system to prevent people from trolling, and something to make sure information is accurate. EG: I could see a page about interp having lots of confusing and contradictory information if it's a collaboration so it'd probably be best to have it come from a reputable source. If that could be implemented this could be great![/quote]

I am aware of this, also I am not very familiar with mediawiki, but I will try to learn the most I can in the near future so i can start making some changes. Particularly thinking about user groups, setting a decent homepage, start adding active users to "admin/mods" groups and etc... If this gets enough help I will work my best on it. I just need everyone to be on board.

Edit: depending on the support this gets, I will eventually think about moving to a dedicated host, currently hosting it on a shared account I have for all my other sites.
#5 2 3 1 Frags
currently looking for a mediawiki extension that helps me format page links like wikipedia

ex: wiki/Main_Page
and not index.php?title=Main_Page

If anyone can help me with this I would appreciate.
currently looking for a mediawiki extension that helps me format page links like wikipedia

ex: wiki/Main_Page
and not index.php?title=Main_Page

If anyone can help me with this I would appreciate.
#6 1 2 0 Frags
This looks like an amazing idea. You're welcome to add me if you want to discuss more over steam, I'd like to think I have some ideas to contribute to this. :)
This looks like an amazing idea. You're welcome to add me if you want to discuss more over steam, I'd like to think I have some ideas to contribute to this. :)
#7 1 2 0 Frags
I'm already editing the main page and adding in some basic links. It would be great if we could get people to start filling out the class pages.
I'm already editing the main page and adding in some basic links. It would be great if we could get people to start filling out the class pages.
#8 1 2 0 Frags
currently looking for a mediawiki extension that helps me format page links like wikipedia

ex: wiki/Main_Page
and not index.php?title=Main_Page

If anyone can help me with this I would appreciate.

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
[quote=Kaneco]currently looking for a mediawiki extension that helps me format page links like wikipedia

ex: wiki/Main_Page
and not index.php?title=Main_Page

If anyone can help me with this I would appreciate.[/quote]
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
#9 0 1 –1 Frags
currently looking for a mediawiki extension that helps me format page links like wikipedia

ex: wiki/Main_Page
and not index.php?title=Main_Page

If anyone can help me with this I would appreciate.

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL


Thanks! Already got it to work (http://comp.tf/wiki/Main_Page) YAY !

Pages created before this change should be updated to the correct format now.
[quote=mthsad][quote=Kaneco]currently looking for a mediawiki extension that helps me format page links like wikipedia

ex: wiki/Main_Page
and not index.php?title=Main_Page

If anyone can help me with this I would appreciate.[/quote]
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL[/quote]

Thanks! Already got it to work (http://comp.tf/wiki/Main_Page) YAY !

Pages created before this change should be updated to the correct format now.
#10 0 1 –1 Frags
ahh my very limited html/css skillset is needed.(Not really but I'll help with what I can!)
ahh my very limited html/css skillset is needed.(Not really but I'll help with what I can!)
#11 0 1 –1 Frags
working on scout
working on scout
#12 0 1 –1 Frags
brb reposting Liquid's Sniper Guide :DDDD
brb reposting Liquid's Sniper Guide :DDDD
#13 1 2 0 Frags
Thanks for all the support! It is really exciting to watch this thing skyrocket!

Please remember to backup your edits on a txt file or something, with so many people editing the same pages at the same time it can lead to confusion and lost data.
Thanks for all the support! It is really exciting to watch this thing skyrocket!

[b]Please remember to backup your edits on a txt file or something, with so many people editing the same pages at the same time it can lead to confusion and lost data.[/b]
#14 12 13 11 Frags
Just going to point this out here, wikis should never be written in the first or second person. I.E, don't say things like "You should..." or "Make sure to...". Keep it somewhat non personal, it makes these much easier to read.
Just going to point this out here, wikis should never be written in the first or second person. I.E, don't say things like "You should..." or "Make sure to...". Keep it somewhat non personal, it makes these much easier to read.
#15 0 1 –1 Frags
messing around with the maplist, might start working on spy a bit

Awesome job with the wiki. Hopefully this gets more added to it soon.
messing around with the maplist, might start working on spy a bit

Awesome job with the wiki. Hopefully this gets more added to it soon.
#16 0 1 –1 Frags
I'm adding in sniper and soldier stuff, make sure to link pages together as often as possible. This is what makes wikis so navigable, so every time you say "Medic" make sure to link it back to the medic page, etc.

Also, to link to a page in the wiki, or create a new page, you have to write out the link in the link like this:

[[NAMEOFPAGE]]

Doing this when the page doesn't exists makes a redlink, which means that a new page is made.
I'm adding in sniper and soldier stuff, make sure to link pages together as often as possible. This is what makes wikis so navigable, so every time you say "Medic" make sure to link it back to the medic page, etc.

Also, to link to a page in the wiki, or create a new page, you have to write out the link in the link like this:

[[NAMEOFPAGE]]

Doing this when the page doesn't exists makes a redlink, which means that a new page is made.
#17 0 1 –1 Frags
I'm adding in sniper and soldier stuff, make sure to link pages together as often as possible. This is what makes wikis so navigable, so every time you say "Medic" make sure to link it back to the medic page, etc.
exactly, internal links are advised when possible. It makes the user experience much smoother and is also good for editors
[quote=Waldo]I'm adding in sniper and soldier stuff, make sure to link pages together as often as possible. This is what makes wikis so navigable, so every time you say "Medic" make sure to link it back to the medic page, etc.[/quote]
exactly, internal links are advised when possible. It makes the user experience much smoother and is also good for editors
#18 7 8 6 Frags
I'm adding in sniper and soldier stuff, make sure to link pages together as often as possible. This is what makes wikis so navigable, so every time you say "Medic" make sure to link it back to the medic page, etc.
exactly, internal links are advised when possible. It makes the user experience much smoother and is also good for editors

remember if the word scout shows up multiple time on a page, link only the first instance of the word
[quote=Kaneco][quote=Waldo]I'm adding in sniper and soldier stuff, make sure to link pages together as often as possible. This is what makes wikis so navigable, so every time you say "Medic" make sure to link it back to the medic page, etc.[/quote]
exactly, internal links are advised when possible. It makes the user experience much smoother and is also good for editors[/quote]
remember if the word scout shows up multiple time on a page, link only the first instance of the word
#19 1 2 0 Frags
For each class, we should have a section on sixes and one on highlander--i see the class pages that are edited right now are mostly just giant blobs of text

but it's okay because this wiki is like 40 minutes old
For each class, we should have a section on sixes and one on highlander--i see the class pages that are edited right now are mostly just giant blobs of text

but it's okay because this wiki is like 40 minutes old
#20 0 1 –1 Frags
For each class, we should have a section on sixes and one on highlander--i see the class pages that are edited right now are mostly just giant blobs of text

but it's okay because this wiki is like 40 minutes old


This. We could just have a generic class page, which shows class information, and two separate pages, one for each format, which shows format-specific information.
[quote=flatline]For each class, we should have a section on sixes and one on highlander--i see the class pages that are edited right now are mostly just giant blobs of text

but it's okay because this wiki is like 40 minutes old[/quote]

This. We could just have a generic class page, which shows class information, and two separate pages, one for each format, which shows format-specific information.
#21 0 1 –1 Frags
yeah, i'm editing spy right now and going through like 50 format changes
yeah, i'm editing spy right now and going through like 50 format changes
#22 0 1 –1 Frags
For each class, we should have a section on sixes and one on highlander--i see the class pages that are edited right now are mostly just giant blobs of text

but it's okay because this wiki is like 40 minutes old

It's pretty normal, right now there are about 20 different people editing pages, everyone is writing in a different style, but at least everyone is creating content...

Once we got enough content settled in, we should (and will) start working on some guidelines and improving quality of the pages.


This. We could just have a generic class page, which shows class information, and two separate pages, one for each format, which shows format-specific information.

I thought about it, not sure what the best decision is tbh, we could have a giant class page that would encompass everything about that class in the different gamemodes, or a class page for each gamemode. That should be decided in the near future.
[quote=flatline]For each class, we should have a section on sixes and one on highlander--i see the class pages that are edited right now are mostly just giant blobs of text

but it's okay because this wiki is like 40 minutes old[/quote]
It's pretty normal, right now there are about 20 different people editing pages, everyone is writing in a different style, but at least everyone is creating content...

Once we got enough content settled in, we should (and will) start working on some guidelines and improving quality of the pages.

[quote=Waldo]
This. We could just have a generic class page, which shows class information, and two separate pages, one for each format, which shows format-specific information.[/quote]
I thought about it, not sure what the best decision is tbh, we could have a giant class page that would encompass everything about that class in the different gamemodes, or a class page for each gamemode. That should be decided in the near future.
#23 3 4 2 Frags
Ok, my 5th post in this thread in an hour, but this needs to be done:

We need a standard format for class pages. Right now all of the pages look different, and have different info, which is awful for anyone who were to use the site. I'm going to suggest a format just because I think it will work and we need a standard one.

Each class should have a generic page(I.E, /wiki/Scout), which contains class information such as weapons, abilities, stats, etc.

Then, each class should have a 6s, and HL variant (I.E, /wiki/6sScout, /wiki/HLScout) which contain format-specific roles and strategies. This should keep it nicely formatted and allow for more versions if 7v7 comes back or something like that.
Ok, my 5th post in this thread in an hour, but this needs to be done:

We need a standard format for class pages. Right now all of the pages look different, and have different info, which is awful for anyone who were to use the site. I'm going to suggest a format just because I think it will work and we need a standard one.

Each class should have a generic page(I.E, /wiki/Scout), which contains class information such as weapons, abilities, stats, etc.

Then, each class should have a 6s, and HL variant (I.E, /wiki/6sScout, /wiki/HLScout) which contain format-specific roles and strategies. This should keep it nicely formatted and allow for more versions if 7v7 comes back or something like that.
#24 0 1 –1 Frags
Tomorrow or Tuesday when I have more time I will eventually start working on users group and probably create a moderators group from the most active contributors. That should improve the content quality as well..

I'm new to this whole wiki thing, it's the first time I am actually managing a media wiki installation and I'm not entirely familiar with the wiki markup as well... It's gonna be a bumpy but extremely exciting ride if everything works out for the best!
Tomorrow or Tuesday when I have more time I will eventually start working on users group and probably create a moderators group from the most active contributors. That should improve the content quality as well..

I'm new to this whole wiki thing, it's the first time I am actually managing a media wiki installation and I'm not entirely familiar with the wiki markup as well... It's gonna be a bumpy but extremely exciting ride if everything works out for the best!
#25 0 1 –1 Frags
Edited soldier to add some stuff. Also added Highlander Soldier description, but I'm not a pro in highlander, so feel free to modify it.
Edited soldier to add some stuff. Also added Highlander Soldier description, but I'm not a pro in highlander, so feel free to modify it.
#26 1 2 0 Frags
Just going to point this out here, wikis should never be written in the first or second person. I.E, don't say things like "You should..." or "Make sure to...". Keep it somewhat non personal, it makes these much easier to read.
whoops fixed my writing. kind of abused 'The [class]' and 'The player' to make up for it but it looks better

Ok, my 5th post in this thread in an hour, but this needs to be done:

We need a standard format for class pages. Right now all of the pages look different, and have different info, which is awful for anyone who were to use the site. I'm going to suggest a format just because I think it will work and we need a standard one.

Each class should have a generic page(I.E, /wiki/Scout), which contains class information such as weapons, abilities, stats, etc.


i assumed that this was just for competitive information because the regular wiki already has standard class information
[quote=Waldo]Just going to point this out here, wikis should never be written in the first or second person. I.E, don't say things like "You should..." or "Make sure to...". Keep it somewhat non personal, it makes these much easier to read.[/quote]
whoops fixed my writing. kind of abused 'The [class]' and 'The player' to make up for it but it looks better

[quote=Waldo]Ok, my 5th post in this thread in an hour, but this needs to be done:

We need a standard format for class pages. Right now all of the pages look different, and have different info, which is awful for anyone who were to use the site. I'm going to suggest a format just because I think it will work and we need a standard one.

Each class should have a generic page(I.E, /wiki/Scout), which contains class information such as weapons, abilities, stats, etc.[/quote]


i assumed that this was just for competitive information because the regular wiki already has standard class information
#27 0 1 –1 Frags
I've created a sort of "system" on the spy page for stuff like this (with main articles and whatnot)

woo posting
I've created a sort of "system" on the spy page for stuff like this (with main articles and whatnot)

woo posting
#28 0 1 –1 Frags

i assumed that this was just for competitive information because the regular wiki already has standard class information


The information on the regular wiki could easily be recycled and digested into something which would make sense in this format. Also, any overlapping information from the other two pages could be put on the main page. It gives the wiki a nice, discrete feeling.
[quote=watt]
i assumed that this was just for competitive information because the regular wiki already has standard class information[/quote]

The information on the regular wiki could easily be recycled and digested into something which would make sense in this format. Also, any overlapping information from the other two pages could be put on the main page. It gives the wiki a nice, discrete feeling.
#29 0 1 –1 Frags
I've created a sort of "system" on the spy page for stuff like this (with main articles and whatnot)

woo posting


I actually like this layout. Gives the possibility of having a small description of the purpose of the class and then links to the main article for that gamemode.

Might actually adopt this as the standard format
[quote=flatline]I've created a sort of "system" on the spy page for stuff like this (with main articles and whatnot)

woo posting[/quote]

I actually like this layout. Gives the possibility of having a small description of the purpose of the class and then links to the main article for that gamemode.

Might actually adopt this as the standard format
#30 0 1 –1 Frags
Please keep the title format for classes like Spy (6v6) and Spy (Highlander) and not 6sScout and HLScout, the first format is more user friendly and also search engine friendly.

Added a small comment on the main page to keep the format consistent
Please keep the title format for classes like Spy (6v6) and Spy (Highlander) and not 6sScout and HLScout, the first format is more user friendly and also search engine friendly.

Added a small comment on the main page to keep the format consistent
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