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#36 Weapon Balance Discussion in TF2 General Discussion
4812622safrix4812622Who the fuck cares? It still builds faster. The Southern Hospitality is worthless because its upside is for hitting things (especially Spies), which you should never do (especially to Spies).
Deployment: (To LV 3 while Whacking)
Sentry
Jag: 19.49s
Wrench: 19.58s
0.09s Difference (0.5% faster)
Gunslinger: 2.56s

it literally makes no difference

Time to build level 1: 5.5 s
Time to build level 1 with Jag: 4.75 s
13.67% increase

which is significant

i would like to reiterate that you should never ever melee as an engineer

It is part of the meta to use the rescue ranger + wrangler combo as an engineer in highlander. The rescue ranger is a bad weapon to kill spies and you often have to use your melee to kill the spy. A jag only does 45 damage, compared to other wrenches which does 65 damage. So, you have to hit a spy three times with the jag to kill the spy and only two times with other wrenches.

The small increase in construction rate does not make much of a difference at all. It is useless during set-up times and you shouldn't be moving your buildings often as an engineer during a game. Whereas, the southern hospitality allows the engineer to counter spies by being able to track spies, which has a much more impact on the engineer's play style than the jag would do.

posted about 9 years ago
#25 Weapon Balance Discussion in TF2 General Discussion
Frost_Bite
Yeah. You want a combat engi? Here, have 180 (or so) health. You don't have to care about your buildings since they take less work to build, but you still help. Play on the flank.

Every engi main I've shown this to has emphatically said "yes please".

Okay, I understand now. Though with this change, it will change the play styles of all engineers and it will render the wrangler useless as a combat engineer, which is very much part of the meta of an engineer in highlander.

Frost_bite Jag: Change to +15% swing speed.

This lets you upgrade your buildings faster.

Okay, I don't think I explained the jag well enough. As of right now, the jag's stats says it has a 30%+ faster construction rate. However, when hitting a building, the construction rate of the building increases only by 15.79% and not the 30% that was intended for the jag to do.

posted about 9 years ago
#20 Weapon Balance Discussion in TF2 General Discussion
Frost_BiteGunslinger: Change to: No random Critical Hits. Teleporters cost 100 metal to build. Dispensers and Teleporters start at Level 2. +65 max health. Can't build sentries.

So, Valve is going to remove mini-sentries from the game?

Frost_bite Jag: Change to +15% swing speed.

Not sure if you did not read my previous post about the jag, but the construction rate of the jag is +15.79% rounded to +16%. If you want Valve to change the jag from +30% construction rate to +16% (15.79% rounded), the construction rate of a sentry gun will go from 0.75 seconds to 0.375 seconds. This is a HUGE downgrade if you want to use the jag.

Frost_BitePomson: Now bison reskin.
Wrangler: Split into two weapons. One shields and disables your gun. The other doubles the fire rate and lets you aim it.
Short circuit: revert to pre-buff.

Agreed.

posted about 9 years ago
#12 Weapon Balance Discussion in TF2 General Discussion
According to multiple plat Engineers, Southern Hospitality is the best Wrench. I don't really understand it myself, because I think the Jag's extra build speed eclipses everything else.

It is because the jag is broken. To build a sentry gun, it takes about 0.75 seconds.
A 1.5 second difference is 32%
0.75 seconds is 16%, 0.75 multiplied by 2 = 1.5
16% times 2 = 32%
If it were a 1.5 second difference, it would be 32% construction rate, but it is not.

Personally, I run the southern hospitality, but I may consider running the jag if Valve fixes the weapon.

posted about 9 years ago
#12 davehud in Customization

Perfect for comp.

posted about 10 years ago
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