there are more ranges than the range where shotgun does 90 and the range where shotgun does 3. jetpack is good. scorch shot

DF Pyro is aiming extremely large projectiles. Airblast into secondaryis not aiming because it's 100% consistent. I agree that flamethrower tracking has a higher skill ceiling, but flamethrower wasn't the primary weapon, shotgun was.

The question about "what deserves to be better" is not something I care about. I only care about if the DF should be unbanned. Whether or not old Degreaser/Shotgun was harder or not is irrelevant to that.

old pyro was fucking terrible. if DF is going to be viable in 6s with a gimped airblast and 100% speed and shit range it needs to be better than scouts or soldiers up close, or else why the fuck would you use it

walking into dragon's fury while clumped is the same thing as walking backwards into a spy or standing at long range vs a sniper. if you play at the optimal range of a slow, inflexible class, you are making a mistake and deserve to be punished.

if they swap a soldier, you win the spam fight. if they swap a scout, you pressure flank and 2v1 flankers or walk in for free. or you just stay out of range and poke with hitscan and stickies until they die.

Tomislav Heavy works exactly the same way, is easy to aim, and is a complete non-issue.

What you fail to take into account by saying "Pyro kills people too fast by ambushing" is that ambushing is not reliable. It relies on people not checking corners. Pyro has no escape options and DF pyro has shit airblast. If you check the corner, they will die. It's just like saying "Spy is overpowered because backstabbing kills people instantly and takes no skill." DF Pyro getting into a position where they can kill people is easily countered by playing smart, and if they are playing dumb, you can probably make a similar play on Soldier, but you aren't stuck on a class that is only capable of ambushing if you decide to stop hiding or kill them all, and you can get into hiding positions faster and easier.

sorry, can you rephrase your argument? i don't understand why you think DF pyros never need to airblast or use their secondaries.

Are you saying you never need to use your secondary in a CQC fight because they will never leave flamethrower range and you never need to airblast?

what are you responding to I have no idea

also it is just as difficult to hit 1 flame particle before as it was now

considering you can't airblast to hit a 100% consistent flare, and considering that if you miss, you are unable to do anything for longer than if you miss the airblast-->flare with degreaser, and considering that you have no option to hurt people while still being able to airblast immediately after? yes, it is harder.

of course it's better at killing than degreaser pyro, because degreaser pyro is fucking garbage at killing people. it's obviously not a straight upgrade because it's extremely terrible at stalling ubers and reflecting, and therefore, really shit if you can't get up close. this is why secondary choice matters - it determines how you compensate for being too slow to catch up to people and worthless outside of flame range.

how do you get into melee range against soldiers, scouts, and medics? pyro is slower. you are going to be hitting them with the tip unless they walk into you or you're hiding in a corner

your point is irrelevant to the fact that i am talking about the delay between airblasting and having a primary weapon, which has nothing to do with the size of the projectile, so i don't understand what you're trying to say

also i edited my post to address funhaver

not if you use airblast or they back out of range

see response to funhaver.

you literally have a third of the fire rate if you miss

what are you talking about? i'm referring to the 1.5 seconds of complete uselessness if you press m2

it rarely comes into play because the df has anti-synergy with secondary weapons

you can't spam DF or you have slow fire rate, you have to hit every shot. it shoots much slower than pipes if you miss

who cares if the particle hitbox matches the animation? old flame animations were infinitely worse at denoting where the actual hitbox was. the question is if the fat hitbox makes it broken, and it isn't. hitting projectiles is difficult, doubly so if you're punished for missing. there's a reason the direct hit, demoknight, and huntsman are never seen - the projectiles are not consistent enough to bother with.

what? it's significantly harder. you're punished for missing shots, punished for airblasting, and punished for not holding w (since the afterburn dissipates quickly and you have to hit a 25 damage shot to reignite them, also slow switch speed and shit airblast makes it harder to switch to secondary). it's the same skill as hitting any fast moving projectile - flares, pipes, huntsman, crossbow etc, but it has the additional element of lining up penetrations

small enough that it becomes a non-factor and nobody will use it?

unban dragon's fury and jetpack and pyro might be a pretty solid generalist

sniper is a generalist if you hit everything

fix seeing disguised spies' health bars

i really don't want mini-sentries to be ubiquitous in 6s, they're fine right now as a last-ditch defense

I really like this frag video but I also thought this was excessive.

i love salmonbun

pyro was formerly one of the highest skill ceiling classes in the game

now my grandma dying of lung cancer could install the game and get the same flamethrower DPS as satan, imagine if you could have perfect accuracy as scout or soldier or demo with the pyro panic button script

the problem isn't that pyro is too strong, the problem is it takes zero skill in a DM-based game

it's fucking obnoxious when pyros who were literally irrelevant before the update walk into our entire team and kill 4 people / 1v1 revved heavies / detonator jump into our Medic and kill 2 people by flailing

The flamethrower glitch is absolute bullshit. Literally everyone who has a nonzero amount of limbs can hit max flamethrower DPS, and you can obliterated behind corners from being tagged by a stray particle.

They need to fix this shit fast.

sparkle gang will be there!

Crazy rockets, put him on Soldier and he will squish!

I played a season of HL with him and he has great hitscan, makes some bullshit plays, supports his flank like a champ, and is a fun person to be around who cares a lot about the game. I know he will squish in Open on Scout. Pick him up before people realize exactly how much of a FRAGGER he is.

Sorry I local muted you for a whole day, blame anime!