Eh tbf to exa they (or other staff) most of the time do post important stuff on here, especially 6s related stuff (lan announcements, rgl pugs, etc.). This post just happened to be wrapped into their monthly minor rules updates/bans stuff which like 99% of the time is just very minor rule updates or amateur highlander players getting banned for cheating or alting or some shit. I agree that they probably underestimated how important it would be viewed but I don't think at least on this front it's a consistent thing, I think they just (rightfully) assessed that tftv doesn't care about 99% of rgl updates.

That being said tftv is pretty dead as well so it's not like a monthly RGL announcements thread, minor or not, would really clog things up if that's the concern so I support mirroring things as a general principle.

Off topic but if you're like me and read the rgl mission statement recently you would've also had a fucking stroke (notice how there's literally nothing in there about fostering the top level of competition LOL).

This occurs already in etf2l where (iirc) their standard is similar to RGL. I trust etf2l AC team more than RGL because the people there (quintosh & co.) are extremely experienced, but recently there's been bans that a vocal subset of people are very upset about, dafuqwizat & jeven off the top of my head. Just look at this thread. So really at the end of the day if you're liked by at least some group of people + not blatantly cheating there's always gonna be people who make a fuss of things, regardless of the purported standards you uphold.

For the first part about destroying reputations, idk have prior cheaters even had trouble finding new teams? I honestly can't think of a single example; it's tf2, people just hang out with their own circlejerks anyway. I think it just boils down to the same point I made above, if people like you I think you'd be good either way.

Obviously throwing away all standards to the wind is a bad idea but at the current standard I just don't trust the AC team to actually catch a cheater that is even a little less-than-blatant without them ruining like idk 2-3 seasons max.

These interviews were great, I remember before even touching 6s at all just having faces to an alias really makes the community seem much more real. Another dumb video is also grape's s17 arm wrestling tourny that I remember watching a ton. The banter is great and having personalities on display does a lot for the game imo, just look at the FGC for an example of that.

Formal interviews are a lot of work so I just wanted to add to the idea that even short casual stuff has a lot of merit. Long form, structured interviews are better for getting more insightful thoughts from players and generating mid-season/pre-playoffs hype.

Although maybe the arm wrestling itself shouldn't return I don't trust any of you, think we already had one bad incident.

My new theory is that rgl admins (higher order beings, possibly celestial in nature) don't view time in the same way as us lower lifeforms (beings of flesh and blood). This explains retroactively punishing young sanity but not proactively banning cheaters. Can any physicists corroborate my claim? Personally I see no possible alternative.

I believe the stated reason they make it non perma is to allow for human error, which does sort of fly in the face of the "100% certain" part.

Edit: There's also the reason I've heard about wanting to give ppl second chances because most players in the league are dumb (and young).

My conspiracy reason is that admins just have too many friends with prior cheating bans because there's a lot of people in invite across both game modes with them. Or they're worried about the hypocrisy of it or something.

I can tell u right now admins are never letting spu on the team

Agree completely with magic that administratively the non AC side has been handled sub-optimally.

There is a lot to unpack in this statement as a whole but I wanted to focus on one part here:

This may be a hot take, but I really do not think the 100% confidence threshold is a desirable goal. I understand that exa is just speaking colloquially here, but the amount of evidence one would need to go from, say, 95% -> "100%" confidence is probably several magnitudes more than going from like 50% -> 90%. In many situations it's probably not even possible; imagine you have cheating parameters a and k where a is the number of times you cheat per demo (such as the number of times you toggle triggerbot for an important flank) and k is the average number of demos in which you cheat (where k = 1 means you cheat in every demo). For a and k sufficiently small, maybe like a = 2 and k=1/5 (not too unrealistic for somebody cheating on a top team with only a couple hard matches per regular season), and assuming each instance of cheating is not super blatant, are you really ever going to reach this so called "100%" confidence threshold? I feel like this does not converge even asymptotically as the total number of demos n increases.

I don't know what the right % cutoff should be, it's all arbitrary in the end at a certain point. But I think the situation of "hey we're like 98% sure this guy is cheating and ruining the league right now buuuuuuuuuuut that's not 100%" would be pretty silly if that's how it currently is.

I think this standard especially in the elijah case has really contributed towards the recent animosity. Recall that elijah already had a previous cheating ban and was, at least in my eyes and many others, cheating pretty blatantly. And yet it still took 2+ months to ban them. Assume this is because of the extremely stringent standard RGL AC imposes. What kind of lesson am I, a player, supposed to take from that? How long would it take for a cheater with no previous cheating history who is cheating like half as blatantly to get caught? How many matches, playoffs, seasons would they ruin? Why would I want to play in a league like that?

The alternative explanation of course is that AC is simply overtaxed, which is fair we all live busy lives. But still I would hope that cheater priority is at least skewed top heavy, sorry to those in newcomer.

Edit: I accidentally edited op oops.

Exa made this post on the rgl forums, thought I'd repost here:

https://forums.rgl.gg/topic/3554/reiterating-anti-cheat-policies-global-rule-updates-and-february-2024-bans

Selected quotes, emphasis mine:

https://i.redd.it/krj0nqpp7hw81.jpg

Just wanted to comment on the second part, but considering RGL has always been big on its "image" the impact of cheaters especially in playoffs can't be understated. I've had pubbers/people who don't play comp still to this day reference highlander as full of cheaters because of that one season 8 years ago now where the first place sniper in plat/gold/silver all got vac'd, and I think it's gotten to the point where the rumor has spread from "highlander is full of cheaters" to "comp is full of cheaters" in general. Especially a bad look with the whole bot shit going on rn.

Man if safrix is cheating and still the worst player on his team we need a harsher punishment than banned from rgl, perhaps the brazen bull ICANT

mfs really cutting players for playoffs when u have a cheating player can't make this shit up

I know ur ass was sweating for a second there

They didn't mirror alfa's cheating ban when he was banned from UGC, so I'm not sure exactly how it works.

Crazy that 2017 was 7 years ago, thanks everybody for running this. miggy was a true homie.

All the invite level admins are also rostered on other playoff teams (yogrrt/exa) so they have conflict of interest. In an ideal world you have an invite level admin who is not rostered to avoid shit like this but the # of invite players who simultaneously have the time/desire to be an admin but not to play the game is probably 0 lol.