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#3661
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Hi, can you recommend cheapest pc you can build to play csgo with decent fps?

Hi, can you recommend cheapest pc you can build to play csgo with decent fps?
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#3662
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sunnydayHi, can you recommend cheapest pc you can build to play csgo with decent fps?

what is decent fps

[quote=sunnyday]Hi, can you recommend cheapest pc you can build to play csgo with decent fps?[/quote]
what is decent fps
3663
#3663
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Thinking about trying to upgrade my computer with a budget of around $200. Mainly playing Valorant these days and my frames are dropping below 100 and sometimes below 60 depending on how hectic the situation is. I'd like to be able to play other games with better fps as well.

CPU is i5-6500 and gpu is gtx 1050 ti 4gb. Full part list is here.

Been out of the pc part world for a few years now so any help is appreciated, thanks.

Thinking about trying to upgrade my computer with a budget of around $200. Mainly playing Valorant these days and my frames are dropping below 100 and sometimes below 60 depending on how hectic the situation is. I'd like to be able to play other games with better fps as well.

CPU is i5-6500 and gpu is gtx 1050 ti 4gb. Full part list is [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Andrew44771/saved/stgmGX]here[/url].

Been out of the pc part world for a few years now so any help is appreciated, thanks.
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#3664
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blankksunnydayHi, can you recommend cheapest pc you can build to play csgo with decent fps?what is decent fps

Idk, just to play for fun, like 100-120.

[quote=blankk][quote=sunnyday]Hi, can you recommend cheapest pc you can build to play csgo with decent fps?[/quote]
what is decent fps[/quote]
Idk, just to play for fun, like 100-120.
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#3665
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#3675
Fps seem a bit low for that CPU and GPU. Buy another stick of RAM with the same specs (size, frequency, timings and voltage, ideally the exact same model though) and see how much that helps. 2400 MHz isn't ideal, not much you can do about that without finding a cheap Z mobo though (replacing the mobo just for getting to 2666 isn't worth it), but Valorant doesn't seem to like 8GB or dual channel so let's get both of those fixed first.
What other games?

#3676
And what kind of potato are you using now that you're not getting 100 fps on 1080p low settings I assume?
Any sort of budget?
Because there's "cheapest", which is actually "cheapest reasonable budget build" and actually cheapest which means used parts and cut corners.

#3675
Fps seem a bit low for that CPU and GPU. Buy another stick of RAM with the same specs (size, frequency, timings and voltage, ideally the exact same model though) and see how much that helps. 2400 MHz isn't ideal, not much you can do about that without finding a cheap Z mobo though (replacing the mobo just for getting to 2666 isn't worth it), but Valorant doesn't seem to like 8GB or dual channel so let's get both of those fixed first.
What other games?

#3676
And what kind of potato are you using now that you're not getting 100 fps on 1080p low settings I assume?
Any sort of budget?
Because there's "cheapest", which is actually "cheapest reasonable budget build" and actually cheapest which means used parts and cut corners.
3666
#3666
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#3677
I already have a good pc, want another one so we can play multiplayer games with my brother. By cheap i mean
"cheapest reasonable budget build", so i can upgrade it later if needed.

#3677
I already have a good pc, want another one so we can play multiplayer games with my brother. By cheap i mean
"cheapest reasonable budget build", so i can upgrade it later if needed.
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#3667
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Setsul#3675
Fps seem a bit low for that CPU and GPU. Buy another stick of RAM with the same specs (size, frequency, timings and voltage, ideally the exact same model though) and see how much that helps. 2400 MHz isn't ideal, not much you can do about that without finding a cheap Z mobo though (replacing the mobo just for getting to 2666 isn't worth it), but Valorant doesn't seem to like 8GB or dual channel so let's get both of those fixed first.
What other games?

Do you believe adding 8 more gbs of RAM alone is going to give me a noticeable improvement in all the games I play? In terms of talking about trying to get better performance in other games, I'm just looking for an overall performance boost to my computer, but if I had to name a couple: GTA V, TF2 (currently performs fine in 6s but in more populated servers it dips), and other games ill play every now and then with friends like Warzone and Fortnite

[quote=Setsul]#3675
Fps seem a bit low for that CPU and GPU. Buy another stick of RAM with the same specs (size, frequency, timings and voltage, ideally the exact same model though) and see how much that helps. 2400 MHz isn't ideal, not much you can do about that without finding a cheap Z mobo though (replacing the mobo just for getting to 2666 isn't worth it), but Valorant doesn't seem to like 8GB or dual channel so let's get both of those fixed first.
What other games?[/quote]

Do you believe adding 8 more gbs of RAM alone is going to give me a noticeable improvement in all the games I play? In terms of talking about trying to get better performance in other games, I'm just looking for an overall performance boost to my computer, but if I had to name a couple: GTA V, TF2 (currently performs fine in 6s but in more populated servers it dips), and other games ill play every now and then with friends like Warzone and Fortnite
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#3668
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#3678
Ok, if you're going with the upgrade route then depending on how much GPU power you want/need your options are either an APU build (much cheaper since there's no GPU, but obviously limited GPU-wise) or CPU + discrete GPU.
Approximate budget or performance goals (game, fps, settings)?

#3679
Depends on how you define noticeable. It's not about the 8 GB, it's mostly about doubling the bandwidth. Valorant is most likely going to see the most improvement. It seems to have been a common problem during beta
https://twitter.com/dety0/status/1253073089123975169
https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/garyks/valorant_runs_poorly/fp2jaxi/
but I don't know how bad it still is.
RAM is the cheapest part you can upgrade though, so I think that's where you should start.
For Valorant and GTA V the next step would probably be a GPU ugprade but you can barely afford that on its own, but for TF2 you'd want a better CPU and without replacing the mobo that means used parts (and replacing the mobo doesn't really make the whole ordeal any cheaper).

#3678
Ok, if you're going with the upgrade route then depending on how much GPU power you want/need your options are either an APU build (much cheaper since there's no GPU, but obviously limited GPU-wise) or CPU + discrete GPU.
Approximate budget or performance goals (game, fps, settings)?

#3679
Depends on how you define noticeable. It's not about the 8 GB, it's mostly about doubling the bandwidth. Valorant is most likely going to see the most improvement. It seems to have been a common problem during beta
https://twitter.com/dety0/status/1253073089123975169
https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/garyks/valorant_runs_poorly/fp2jaxi/
but I don't know how bad it still is.
RAM is the cheapest part you can upgrade though, so I think that's where you should start.
For Valorant and GTA V the next step would probably be a GPU ugprade but you can barely afford that on its own, but for TF2 you'd want a better CPU and without replacing the mobo that means used parts (and replacing the mobo doesn't really make the whole ordeal any cheaper).
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#3669
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#3680
I want to play cs go and other non GPU heavy games at like 100 fps on low settings. I also have old parts from 2010: asus m4a77td, amd athlon ii x3 435, nvidia gt 240. It gives me 40-50 fps in cs go on low settings. Is it possible to upgrade them?

#3680
I want to play cs go and other non GPU heavy games at like 100 fps on low settings. I also have old parts from 2010: asus m4a77td, amd athlon ii x3 435, nvidia gt 240. It gives me 40-50 fps in cs go on low settings. Is it possible to upgrade them?
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#3670
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Hi I'm planning on getting a new pc build for around 2k € budget, this is the build my friend and I came up with: https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/FpxgvW

I'm not sure though if I should go with Intel instead of amd or not, I want it to be able to run more demanding games as well, and be able to use it for video editing. I'm not super experienced with pc building, I just want the most bang for my buck :> Any ideas?

Hi I'm planning on getting a new pc build for around 2k € budget, this is the build my friend and I came up with: https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/FpxgvW

I'm not sure though if I should go with Intel instead of amd or not, I want it to be able to run more demanding games as well, and be able to use it for video editing. I'm not super experienced with pc building, I just want the most bang for my buck :> Any ideas?
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#3671
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Setsul#3679
Depends on how you define noticeable. It's not about the 8 GB, it's mostly about doubling the bandwidth. Valorant is most likely going to see the most improvement. It seems to have been a common problem during beta
https://twitter.com/dety0/status/1253073089123975169
https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/garyks/valorant_runs_poorly/fp2jaxi/
but I don't know how bad it still is.
RAM is the cheapest part you can upgrade though, so I think that's where you should start.
For Valorant and GTA V the next step would probably be a GPU ugprade but you can barely afford that on its own, but for TF2 you'd want a better CPU and without replacing the mobo that means used parts (and replacing the mobo doesn't really make the whole ordeal any cheaper).

The goal is 150+ fps in all situations in game for Valorant at 1080p but if you don't think I can upgrade much at the $200 price range, what would you suggest at $250 or even $300?

[quote=Setsul]
#3679
Depends on how you define noticeable. It's not about the 8 GB, it's mostly about doubling the bandwidth. Valorant is most likely going to see the most improvement. It seems to have been a common problem during beta
https://twitter.com/dety0/status/1253073089123975169
https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/garyks/valorant_runs_poorly/fp2jaxi/
but I don't know how bad it still is.
RAM is the cheapest part you can upgrade though, so I think that's where you should start.
For Valorant and GTA V the next step would probably be a GPU ugprade but you can barely afford that on its own, but for TF2 you'd want a better CPU and without replacing the mobo that means used parts (and replacing the mobo doesn't really make the whole ordeal any cheaper).[/quote]

The goal is 150+ fps in all situations in game for Valorant at 1080p but if you don't think I can upgrade much at the $200 price range, what would you suggest at $250 or even $300?
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#3672
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#3681
Upgrade as in replace them? Because none of that is worth keeping. Maybe case and PSU, that would at least same some money.
Even a 3200G on its own should be more than twice as fast (CPU and GPU-wise), so that, a mobo and some DDR4 RAM should be enough to get you your 100 fps in CS:GO. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FqgrzY
Cheaper if you're willing to get used parts.

#3682
Looks ok. 3900XT is an option, though maybe not the most bang for buck.
3900X(T) is much better for rendering than a 10900K(F) and the difference in graphically demanding games is going to be almost negligible since the GPU has a way bigger impact there. So I'd stick with AMD.
Mobo could be better VRM-wise, especially if you want to overclock.
If you're not in a hurry I'd wait for new GPUs. Obviously that's generally a good idea but it would be a waste to pay for B550 to get PCIe 4.0 and then buy a GPU that doesn't support it.
Slightly better RAM https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/ywYLrH/gskill-trident-z-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gtzkw

#3683
No, the problem is that if you want to upgrade your CPU and GPU it's either used parts or a much higher budget. GPU + RAM is barely doable with 200$, so 250$ for RAM + GPU would be fine but for the CPU you'd either have to pay 250-300$ for an obsolete CPU that's not any faster than a new 100$ CPU or buy a new mobo and new CPU which with RAM and GPU would still bring you close to 400$.
So my suggestion is better RAM first, which might fix your problem in Valorant.
Check GPU usage in Valorant (now or after getting the RAM) to figure out if it's the GPU holding you back or something else. If it is buy a new GPU.
If neither was the problem or you still want more fps in TF2 start looking for a used CPU compatible with your mobo.

#3681
Upgrade as in replace them? Because none of that is worth keeping. Maybe case and PSU, that would at least same some money.
Even a 3200G on its own should be more than twice as fast (CPU and GPU-wise), so that, a mobo and some DDR4 RAM should be enough to get you your 100 fps in CS:GO. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FqgrzY
Cheaper if you're willing to get used parts.

#3682
Looks ok. 3900XT is an option, though maybe not the most bang for buck.
3900X(T) is much better for rendering than a 10900K(F) and the difference in graphically demanding games is going to be almost negligible since the GPU has a way bigger impact there. So I'd stick with AMD.
Mobo could be better VRM-wise, especially if you want to overclock.
If you're not in a hurry I'd wait for new GPUs. Obviously that's generally a good idea but it would be a waste to pay for B550 to get PCIe 4.0 and then buy a GPU that doesn't support it.
Slightly better RAM https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/ywYLrH/gskill-trident-z-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gtzkw

#3683
No, the problem is that if you want to upgrade your CPU and GPU it's either used parts or a much higher budget. GPU + RAM is barely doable with 200$, so 250$ for RAM + GPU would be fine but for the CPU you'd either have to pay 250-300$ for an obsolete CPU that's not any faster than a new 100$ CPU or buy a new mobo and new CPU which with RAM and GPU would still bring you close to 400$.
So my suggestion is better RAM first, which might fix your problem in Valorant.
Check GPU usage in Valorant (now or after getting the RAM) to figure out if it's the GPU holding you back or something else. If it is buy a new GPU.
If neither was the problem or you still want more fps in TF2 start looking for a used CPU compatible with your mobo.
3673
#3673
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So I do work from home, I have the extra money monthly to make this work, I know payment pre-built plans are not the best, but I don’t really wanna wait and save up all the money for a extensive setup. This is with origin in a 90' standard orientation super tower. I wanna stream, I want to record gaming and do work for my personal channel on the side. I was also thinking about getting an external capture card for platform stuff, probably gonna record my own game play footage of new shit with the ps5 and all that jazz. I also have some ideas along the lines of machinima style creative content I wanna make. For the PC stuff, for anything not TF2, CSGO, Quake, I really would like to have fun and play/record stuff at 1080p with good frames. Like single player games, metro exodus, death stranding, anything like that new coming out,

90 Standard Orientation
Intel Core i9 10900KF 10-Core 3.7GHz (5.3GHz TurboBoost)
MEG Z490 GODLIKE
64GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 3466MHz (4x16GB)
CORSAIR H100i PRO XT RGB
CORSAIR SP120 PRO Performance iCUE RGB
1TB Firecuda 520 NVMe for the operating drive, a 2nd one for the storage.
CORSAIR AX1600i ATX PLATINUM
Elgato Game Capture 4K60 Pro MK.2
Vantec SuperSpeed USB 3.0 All-In-One Memory Card Reader/Writer
Creative Sound Blaster AE-5 Plus for the card

In the end, I'm gonna get the pc, take it apart, put it back together, make sure everything is straight. for what I'm paying, like about 250 a month, I also get a three year part replacement security plan for al the parts. I could overclock the gpu and cpu and have my way with the corsair H100i pro xt cooling, I'm sorta on the fence seeing that I could go and just overclock it all and if anything gets warped I could replace the parts and keep everything pretty tame.

They suggest getting a mouse, but Ive been putting my time in with the g502 hero for a few years, on my 2nd run with one, so i dont think Ill pick one up. The big issue for me is the monitor, ASUS VG248QG or ASUS TUF VG27AQ? A few reasons I ask, is because I've been playing tf2 for 10 years, 5 of those years have been on a 27inch 60 Hz imac. The screen size with my mouse is an important factor and I don't wanna start over with my aim. The 2nd monitor is the same size as what I've been playing on, but I just wanna know if I'm better off taking the time putting the work in with the VG248QG... it would save me nearly 50 bucks a month. So thoughts on the setup, any thoughts on what I should do monitor wise?

So I do work from home, I have the extra money monthly to make this work, I know payment pre-built plans are not the best, but I don’t really wanna wait and save up all the money for a extensive setup. This is with origin in a 90' standard orientation super tower. I wanna stream, I want to record gaming and do work for my personal channel on the side. I was also thinking about getting an external capture card for platform stuff, probably gonna record my own game play footage of new shit with the ps5 and all that jazz. I also have some ideas along the lines of machinima style creative content I wanna make. For the PC stuff, for anything not TF2, CSGO, Quake, I really would like to have fun and play/record stuff at 1080p with good frames. Like single player games, metro exodus, death stranding, anything like that new coming out,

90 Standard Orientation
Intel Core i9 10900KF 10-Core 3.7GHz (5.3GHz TurboBoost)
MEG Z490 GODLIKE
64GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 3466MHz (4x16GB)
CORSAIR H100i PRO XT RGB
CORSAIR SP120 PRO Performance iCUE RGB
1TB Firecuda 520 NVMe for the operating drive, a 2nd one for the storage.
CORSAIR AX1600i ATX PLATINUM
Elgato Game Capture 4K60 Pro MK.2
Vantec SuperSpeed USB 3.0 All-In-One Memory Card Reader/Writer
Creative Sound Blaster AE-5 Plus for the card

In the end, I'm gonna get the pc, take it apart, put it back together, make sure everything is straight. for what I'm paying, like about 250 a month, I also get a three year part replacement security plan for al the parts. I could overclock the gpu and cpu and have my way with the corsair H100i pro xt cooling, I'm sorta on the fence seeing that I could go and just overclock it all and if anything gets warped I could replace the parts and keep everything pretty tame.

They suggest getting a mouse, but Ive been putting my time in with the g502 hero for a few years, on my 2nd run with one, so i dont think Ill pick one up. The big issue for me is the monitor, ASUS VG248QG or ASUS TUF VG27AQ? A few reasons I ask, is because I've been playing tf2 for 10 years, 5 of those years have been on a 27inch 60 Hz imac. The screen size with my mouse is an important factor and I don't wanna start over with my aim. The 2nd monitor is the same size as what I've been playing on, but I just wanna know if I'm better off taking the time putting the work in with the VG248QG... it would save me nearly 50 bucks a month. So thoughts on the setup, any thoughts on what I should do monitor wise?
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#3674
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Setsul#3683
No, the problem is that if you want to upgrade your CPU and GPU it's either used parts or a much higher budget. GPU + RAM is barely doable with 200$, so 250$ for RAM + GPU would be fine but for the CPU you'd either have to pay 250-300$ for an obsolete CPU that's not any faster than a new 100$ CPU or buy a new mobo and new CPU which with RAM and GPU would still bring you close to 400$.
So my suggestion is better RAM first, which might fix your problem in Valorant.
Check GPU usage in Valorant (now or after getting the RAM) to figure out if it's the GPU holding you back or something else. If it is buy a new GPU.
If neither was the problem or you still want more fps in TF2 start looking for a used CPU compatible with your mobo.

Alright I'll look into buying another stick of RAM then in that case. The current RAM stick I have in my pc is: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL16 Memory. I know you mentioned trying to get the same model, but the only ones I could find have inflated prices or would have to be purchased used. Do you have a recommendation for RAM with the same specs that you think I should get? Or should I just try to get the cheapest possible?

[quote=Setsul]
#3683
No, the problem is that if you want to upgrade your CPU and GPU it's either used parts or a much higher budget. GPU + RAM is barely doable with 200$, so 250$ for RAM + GPU would be fine but for the CPU you'd either have to pay 250-300$ for an obsolete CPU that's not any faster than a new 100$ CPU or buy a new mobo and new CPU which with RAM and GPU would still bring you close to 400$.
So my suggestion is better RAM first, which might fix your problem in Valorant.
Check GPU usage in Valorant (now or after getting the RAM) to figure out if it's the GPU holding you back or something else. If it is buy a new GPU.
If neither was the problem or you still want more fps in TF2 start looking for a used CPU compatible with your mobo.[/quote]

Alright I'll look into buying another stick of RAM then in that case. The current RAM stick I have in my pc is: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL16 Memory. I know you mentioned trying to get the same model, but the only ones I could find have inflated prices or would have to be purchased used. Do you have a recommendation for RAM with the same specs that you think I should get? Or should I just try to get the cheapest possible?
3675
#3675
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Thanks for your help Setsul!
What would be the main benefits from waiting for the new gpus? Would they be considerably better? Do you have an idea of when they'd be released?
Also, do you have any recommendations for a better mobo if I end up sticking with the 2080 super gpu?

Thanks for your help Setsul!
What would be the main benefits from waiting for the new gpus? Would they be considerably better? Do you have an idea of when they'd be released?
Also, do you have any recommendations for a better mobo if I end up sticking with the 2080 super gpu?
3676
#3676
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EnzoWhat would be the main benefits from waiting for the new gpus?

Even if the new lines of GPUs aren't amazingly better, the older ones will usually drop in price to make way for the new line. So either you save money on a current gen GPU, or you can get a sick new gen GPU.

[quote=Enzo]What would be the main benefits from waiting for the new gpus?[/quote]

Even if the new lines of GPUs aren't amazingly better, the older ones will usually drop in price to make way for the new line. So either you save money on a current gen GPU, or you can get a sick new gen GPU.
3677
#3677
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#3685
Not the best is an understatement.

I don't see a GPU.
Are you going to be using CPU or GPU encoding?
Why a 10900KF? What do you need that for?
Why 64GB RAM?
Am I reading that correctly? Why are you using an NVMe SSD for storage?
What in the world do you need a 1600W PSU for? How many GPUs do you plan on adding? 4? You know you can only fit 2, right?

24" 1080p TN panel vs 27" 1440p IPS isn't even remotely the same category.
You buy a 24" 1080p TN panel because it's cheap and fast, you buy a 27" 1440p IPS panel for the pretty colours and you're willing to pay a lot for that.

Congratulations, you just selected the most expensive option for everything and realized that you can't afford it by the time you got to the monitor. Great example of living beyond your means on credit.

#3686

Setsulsame specs (size, frequency, timings and voltage, ideally the exact same model though)

If it's actually the BLS8G4D240FSB you've got in the list on pcpartpicker then that's 8GB, 2400 MHz, 16-16-16-? because tRAS is apparently a secret, 1.2V. Just put in the filters and get the cheapest.

#3687
Faster in the same price bracket, same performance should be cheaper. Depends on your definition of "considerable". Supposedly starting in September, but no official announcements.
I checked again and since the mediocre VRMs of the PRIME B450-Plus they've actually improved things. If you're not going to use PCIe 4.0 you can get the same cheaper with a B450 board though.
https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/BHBhP6/msi-b450-gaming-plus-max-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-gaming-plus-max
or if you want µATX https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/h7WBD3/msi-b450m-mortar-max-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-mortar-max
if for some reason you absolutely need USB-C https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/jcYQzy/msi-b450-tomahawk-max-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-tomahawk-max
Or you could go with something more expensive if you're trying for a very high OC but then I'd recommend the 3900XT and a larger cooler.

#3685
Not the best is an understatement.

I don't see a GPU.
Are you going to be using CPU or GPU encoding?
Why a 10900KF? What do you need that for?
Why 64GB RAM?
Am I reading that correctly? Why are you using an NVMe SSD for storage?
What in the world do you need a 1600W PSU for? How many GPUs do you plan on adding? 4? You know you can only fit 2, right?

24" 1080p TN panel vs 27" 1440p IPS isn't even remotely the same category.
You buy a 24" 1080p TN panel because it's cheap and fast, you buy a 27" 1440p IPS panel for the pretty colours and you're willing to pay a lot for that.

Congratulations, you just selected the most expensive option for everything and realized that you can't afford it by the time you got to the monitor. Great example of living beyond your means on credit.

#3686
[quote=Setsul]same specs (size, frequency, timings and voltage, ideally the exact same model though)[/quote]
If it's actually the BLS8G4D240FSB you've got in the list on pcpartpicker then that's 8GB, 2400 MHz, 16-16-16-? because tRAS is apparently a secret, 1.2V. Just put in the filters and get the cheapest.

#3687
Faster in the same price bracket, same performance should be cheaper. Depends on your definition of "considerable". Supposedly starting in September, but no official announcements.
I checked again and since the mediocre VRMs of the PRIME B450-Plus they've actually improved things. If you're not going to use PCIe 4.0 you can get the same cheaper with a B450 board though.
https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/BHBhP6/msi-b450-gaming-plus-max-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-gaming-plus-max
or if you want µATX https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/h7WBD3/msi-b450m-mortar-max-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-mortar-max
if for some reason you absolutely need USB-C https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/jcYQzy/msi-b450-tomahawk-max-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-tomahawk-max
Or you could go with something more expensive if you're trying for a very high OC but then I'd recommend the 3900XT and a larger cooler.
3678
#3678
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I wanna build a good pc but not too expensive $200 or lower anyone got any advice on this cause im dead new to this no idea what im doing

I wanna build a good pc but not too expensive $200 or lower anyone got any advice on this cause im dead new to this no idea what im doing
3679
#3679
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YouxShallxKnowxPainI wanna build a good pc but not too expensive $200 or lower anyone got any advice on this cause im dead new to this no idea what im doing

$200 is such a small budget that it is unlikely you'll be able to get anything beyond the basics. With a budget this low, you may be better off googling something like "gaming pc extreme budget build", as there really aren't many options for parts in your price range.

[quote=YouxShallxKnowxPain]I wanna build a good pc but not too expensive $200 or lower anyone got any advice on this cause im dead new to this no idea what im doing[/quote]
$200 is such a small budget that it is unlikely you'll be able to get anything beyond the basics. With a budget this low, you may be better off googling something like "gaming pc extreme budget build", as there really aren't many options for parts in your price range.
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#3680
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#3690
Without used parts that's not really going to be a good build. You'd have to cut all of the corners to even get all the parts you need for something that can boot.

#3690
Without used parts that's not really going to be a good build. You'd have to cut all of the corners to even get all the parts you need for something that can boot.
3681
#3681
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#3682
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100$ GPU would be plenty.
10600K(F), overclock it as high as you can, then cry because minimum fps are still going to be nowhere near 360 fps.
Not like it should matter with G-Sync anyway, unless you plan on paying for that and then not using it.

I assume you're talking about the PG259QN?
So you'd be spending half again as much as you planned for your build on the monitor?
And for what? It's an IPS so it's going to be the exact same thing as with the VG259QM/VG279QM.
Usable at lower than the advertised refresh rates, but if you actually max it out it starts smearing.
Those are officially 280 Hz.
240 Hz is fine:
https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_tug_gaming_vg279qm/240hz_1.png

https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_tug_gaming_vg279qm/240hz_1.png

Now 280 Hz not so much:
https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_tug_gaming_vg279qm/280hz_1.png

https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_tug_gaming_vg279qm/280hz_1.png

FYI what that means is the panel takes longer to change the colour than the frame is actually displayed. So it'll only reach that colour after the next refresh. If the colour stays the same. If the next frame has changed the colour again then it'll probably keep lagging behind.

Don't get me wrong, they're very good monitors at 240 Hz or 280 Hz with G-Sync/FreeSync enable since you wouldn't reach 280 fps most of the time and motion blur reduction with Sync enabled is nice, apart from some overdrive issues at very low refresh rates there's nothing wrong with them.
But I really doubt that the issues they have at 280 Hz are going to magically have been fixed at 360 Hz half a year later.
It'll be double the price for at best another 60 usable Hz, bringing it up to maybe 300 Hz usable, which you won't ever reach as a minimum refresh rate in TF2.

Ask someone with a 10600K or similar or 9600K/8600K or at least something in that ballpark to record their frametimes and check how much time is actually spent above 240/300/360 fps. And then ask yourself how much of that is staring at a wall. Unless you're only playing MGE any fight where you actually want/need the high refresh rate you're not going to get 360+ fps. So what would be the point?

100$ GPU would be plenty.
10600K(F), overclock it as high as you can, then cry because minimum fps are still going to be nowhere near 360 fps.
Not like it should matter with G-Sync anyway, unless you plan on paying for that and then not using it.

I assume you're talking about the PG259QN?
So you'd be spending half again as much as you planned for your build on the monitor?
And for what? It's an IPS so it's going to be the exact same thing as with the VG259QM/VG279QM.
Usable at lower than the advertised refresh rates, but if you actually max it out it starts smearing.
Those are officially 280 Hz.
240 Hz is fine:
https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_tug_gaming_vg279qm/240hz_1.png
[img]https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_tug_gaming_vg279qm/240hz_1.png[/img]

Now 280 Hz not so much:
https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_tug_gaming_vg279qm/280hz_1.png
[img]https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/asus_tug_gaming_vg279qm/280hz_1.png[/img]

FYI what that means is the panel takes longer to change the colour than the frame is actually displayed. So it'll only reach that colour after the next refresh. If the colour stays the same. If the next frame has changed the colour again then it'll probably keep lagging behind.

Don't get me wrong, they're very good monitors at 240 Hz or 280 Hz with G-Sync/FreeSync enable since you wouldn't reach 280 fps most of the time and motion blur reduction with Sync enabled is nice, apart from some overdrive issues at very low refresh rates there's nothing wrong with them.
But I really doubt that the issues they have at 280 Hz are going to magically have been fixed at 360 Hz half a year later.
It'll be double the price for at best another 60 usable Hz, bringing it up to maybe 300 Hz usable, which you won't ever reach as a minimum refresh rate in TF2.

Ask someone with a 10600K or similar or 9600K/8600K or at least something in that ballpark to record their frametimes and check how much time is actually spent above 240/300/360 fps. And then ask yourself how much of that is staring at a wall. Unless you're only playing MGE any fight where you actually want/need the high refresh rate you're not going to get 360+ fps. So what would be the point?
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#3684
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What is that cooler supposed to do?

3600, 3600X are more recent by one year (and faster) and the 3600XT was just released this year.
You can probably afford better RAM and an NVMe SSD.
PSU is so-so, not that great and you don't need 650W so you can probably get something cheaper.

Other than that depends on what the goal is.

What is that cooler supposed to do?

3600, 3600X are more recent by one year (and faster) and the 3600XT was just released this year.
You can probably afford better RAM and an NVMe SSD.
PSU is so-so, not that great and you don't need 650W so you can probably get something cheaper.

Other than that depends on what the goal is.
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3686
#3686
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For AAA games at high settings, especially at 1400p, a better GPU would be worth it.

If you don't need all 6 SATA ports that shouldn't be a problem, right?

Why would you ever purchase a "gaming modem/router"? And what does that have to do with how many connections you for HDDs/SSDs?

That CPU comes with a cooler. What exactly do you need that 240mm all in one water cooler for? It's neither particularly good nor cheap nor quiet nor is it actually needed. Seems like a waste of money.

For AAA games at high settings, especially at 1400p, a better GPU would be worth it.

If you don't need all 6 SATA ports that shouldn't be a problem, right?

Why would you ever purchase a "gaming modem/router"? And what does that have to do with how many connections you for HDDs/SSDs?

That CPU comes with a cooler. What exactly do you need that 240mm all in one water cooler for? It's neither particularly good nor cheap nor quiet nor is it actually needed. Seems like a waste of money.
3687
#3687
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roblnheyo
i made a build on pcpartpicker a long time ago and i was wondering if i could get some advice about what is good and what needs to be improved

here's the list:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Total: $973.88

I'd go for the 3000 series of ryzen for better IPC on source games, make sure the mobo is ryzen 3000 ready.

[quote=robln]heyo
i made a build on pcpartpicker a long time ago and i was wondering if i could get some advice about what is good and what needs to be improved

here's the list:
[b]CPU:[/b] AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
[b]Motherboard:[/b] MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
[b]Memory:[/b] G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
[b]Storage:[/b] Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
[b]Storage:[/b] Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
[b]Video Card:[/b] MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card
[b]Case:[/b] Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case
[b]Power Supply:[/b] Cooler Master MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
[b]Total:[/b] $973.88[/quote]

I'd go for the 3000 series of ryzen for better IPC on source games, make sure the mobo is ryzen 3000 ready.
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#3688
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ok so with the advice given so far, i made some changes to the original list.
here's version 2:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card:NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Total: $1302.91

ok so with the advice given so far, i made some changes to the original list.
here's version 2:
[b]CPU:[/b] AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor
[b]Motherboard:[/b] MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
[b]Memory:[/b] G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
[b]Storage:[/b] Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
[b]Storage:[/b] Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
[b]Video Card:[/b]NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB Video Card
[b]Case:[/b] Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case
[b]Power Supply:[/b] Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
[b]Total:[/b] $1302.91
3689
#3689
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That's a 400W build, I'm really not seeing the need for a 750W PSU.
970 Evo might be a bit overkill. SATA isn't great but that doesn't mean you have to jump straight to high-end NVMe. There's other options in between if you want to save some money.
With "better RAM" I meant better RAM, better timings and higher frequency, not more RAM. Do you really need 32 GB?

That's a 400W build, I'm really not seeing the need for a 750W PSU.
970 Evo might be a bit overkill. SATA isn't great but that doesn't mean you have to jump straight to high-end NVMe. There's other options in between if you want to save some money.
With "better RAM" I meant better RAM, better timings and higher frequency, not more RAM. Do you really need 32 GB?
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