You're like a day late

Not much I can do when salty adds a character under another character's name that may as well be a second radish

Because as I pointed out in my last response to you. His opinion is uninformed and inaccurate and completely baseless, to entertain it as meaningful at any level by definition degrades the importance of experience in forming these opinions. No great game ever became that way because they did what the spectators wanted, none of them so much as "considered lightly" what the spectators wanted.

So please posit for me why your understanding of the game is on par with that of anyone that has ever played this game competitively. Please I want to hear why your opinion which you value so highly, is at all comparable to i49 MVP james "yuki" stanton.

No, spectators should not get to have an opinion on rules or map rotations. I don't care if you think you understand what double gunboats means, because you never played the game without gunboats. By your own admission, you've never played them with gunboats. You can swear up and down that you have a functional understanding of the game because you can espouse the opinions of the casters that you watch, but it will never serve you as an actual understanding of how the game works.

You do not know how the changes in a rule set can impact the game because you have never played the game. You have no interest other than your own entertainment so as far as you're concerned anything that makes the game more entertaining to the detriment of the players is good. There are more than a dozen posters like you that think "the meta is stale" because robin walker told you so or think that the QF is good because it's fun to watch medics jump around. Your opinions are formed solely by what you have watched and your supposed understanding of it, but you have never given anybody proof that you do actually understand it because you do not play the game. You have no credibility here other than your own theorycrafting and for that you do not get to have a say in how other people actually get to play the game.

How this passes you as an uncontroversial statement is baffling.

I am not opposed to TF2 growing, but making decisions and respecting uneducated opinions in the interest of making the game grow is moronic. When the Robin Walker shitstorm started, Killing of all people made a fantastic post about how dancing for money will ultimately kill your game. You shouldn't always be so quick to forfeit what you have in interest of what you can have. It's now been a running joke in this community to tally how many teams die on gpit week, do you think its inclusion for the sake of the spectators is ultimately beneficial then? Beyond that, if themanwithnoname was correct about spectators wanting to see maps that they understand, then can you please elaborate on what makes gpit easy to understand, but metalworks rocket science? You probably can't because there isn't any logic to be had there, it's inconsistent, it's uninformed, it's bad.

Don't even attempt to make this argument. You're wrong. Unless you are prepared to discuss almost a decade worth of game development with me I suggest you never posit that dota changes are made because of spectator input.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/undecided-voter/n27698/, here's a more concise analogy for why treating spectator's opinions on 6s rules as valid is bad.

Let me give you a reason for why this game isn't AN ESPORT. It was never meant to be. It's a cartoon shooter and the competitive game was carved out of it through the blood, sweat, and tears of people that were too bad at quake to make money and too good to enjoy being amateurs forever. Anyone that picks this game up to play will be completely ignorant of the competitive aspect of it unless they actively seek it out.

All of the fabricated reasons about why we aren't getting 20k viewers every night that emerged once we got off gotfrag have all been espoused by people that were not here since the beginning and that came off reddit expecting this game to explode once we figured some things out. This isn't an esport, it never will be. BUICK got it right when he said that we should be most proud that we have people still playing the game 4+ years after it was released, but that being a large widely-renowned esport was never going to happen. You can drink all the kool-aid you want and it will only get you a sugar high.

And yes, weighing an uneducated opinion the same as an educated one is detrimental to the game when the largest portion of tf.tv posters apparently have never touched esea open despite "a functional understanding of the game being easy to achieve" according to illustrious tf2 spectator, themanwithnoname.

Are you not getting that my point is that from a spectator's perspective you have come to a conclusion that is the complete opposite from what actual players have decided on being best for the game?

Does this or does this not make it clear how important actual experience with the game is for determining what does and does not make it function?

Gpit is a shit map, gpit has always been a shit map, this isn't even the first time it has been voted out of rotation. Clockwork made a stellar post about why the map doesn't work in 6s, plenty of others have put forward explanations for why it is detrimental to the game and the majority of actual 6s players have been pretty vocal about it being one of--if not--the worst map in rotation.

Your example if pointless because in light of all of the evidence and testimony as to why gpit is bad, your point stands contrary in the face of people that have ACTUALLY PLAYED THE MAP IN A COMPETITIVE SETTING.

If I walked up to the organizers of quakecon and said, "Hey man, I don't really play this game at any level that would discern me from your average pub player, but I watch a lot of it. As a spectator I think if you gave everyone a rocket launcher when they spawned it would make it a lot more exciting to watch." They'd either laugh at me, eject me from the venue, or tell me to go back to my seat in the audience.

Putting on clown shoes and tap dancing will get you spectators, it doesn't mean it's what is best for the game.

You don't play the game, you don't have a functioning understanding of what makes the game work, why do you get to have an opinion? It's fun to watch isn't an argument for how to determine a rule-set. Golf sure would be a lot more fun if major tournaments were held on mini-golf courses, it's a test of skill, why don't we do that?

You can watch and play all the highlander you want, it's never going to even so much as have a lan event. Not to mention that probably the top 5 most viewed TF2 events are all involve 6s play.

If you're not playing you shouldn't have an opinion.

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I took a business class my sophomore year of high school at a local community college and for some reason during one of the lab days everyone was playing cs because I guess one of the kids put it on all of the computers.

It was fun for a while but it's hard to hide being better than everyone else by large margins.

A lot of my RL friends ask me to play League of Legends with them but they lack any notion of competition in video games so I more or less avoid it.

That being said, I've never been shy about telling people that I played tf2/dota competitively and in a number of cases it's actually really interesting to people to hear about that stuff. I also don't allow playing video games competitively to completely define my person.

could just bring back opt-in bitcoin mining

How are you not understanding that the ads on tf.tv are ppc. Is this impossible to figure out? I am talking solely about tf.tv and adblock's interaction with it.

I don't give a shit about how other people are doing things, as far as tf.tv is concerned if you are not clicking the ads you are not contributing to ad revenue end of story.

So, just for clarification purposes, am I then right in saying that all (or may as well be) ads here are ppc? Because if they are a mix then there's some argument for not having adblock, if there isn't any real mix and it's all ppc then anyone claiming that turning off adblock is a solution to ad revenue is talking out their ass.