How is it not plausible in your mind that a guy clearly caught to be hacking on one alt might be using them on others? If your logic of "An alt is an alt for a reason" holds up, then there should be no reason to believe that he isn't cheating on his other alts as well.

Roger, thought I remembered something about it being manual. I did remember mesr and duck shitting on him though.

he never defended vhalin though shrug

I think we also need to entertain the notion that he could have been testing a variety of hacks on the multitude of alts and seeing what came back clean. It's difficult to argue against a ban when the evidence pretty clearly shows it being definitively that guy, at least unless you want to basically accept that we refuse to do anything about hackers unless they cheat on client and are then caught by the client as well.

For the most part that's true. There were plenty of people that asked for these people to be banned originally though, and as someone that did play with Hoegie I can at least offer my explanation for it. When I did play with him it had been more than a year since he hacked and we required him to record himself playing. Similar situations apply for ametrine and vhalin being that their vac bans had ostensibly been up for quite some time.

People didn't play with ametrine for quite a while after he was caught iirc, and despite the vac'd alt clearly belonging to vhalin (alias was nilahv for the record) he never publicly owned up to it and there was no way of proving that the vac was tf2 related or even recent. Infamous was vac'd a day after he hacked and no one has played again with him to my knowledge, and sandcastles hacked on client but was immediately exposed as walling and that team died immediately after. Funny story: I can't even remember if the sandcastles ban was manual as well (As blackbanjo's was).

The assumption of the community seems to be that the esea client is worthless and given its history with detecting cheaters and especially given its current streak post-jaguar era as being an unreliable piece of shit, it seems better to err on the side of caution here right? The guy has multiple alts and we have incontrovertible evidence that he was hacking on at least one of them, to freely pardon him on the assumption that "Well he's probably not hacking on his main account" is pretty much to state that unless you are banned on your main account we don't give a shit if you're hacking.

We know for a fact it was the same guy, on his own alt, on his own computer, hacking. As previously mentioned, other leagues already have rules in place for this sort of debacle and most of those rules aren't leagues stating that you can kill someone so long as you don't do it on their client.

welcome to playing soldier

mason if you're going to ask for +frags please do it in person/mumble

at least when I'm stoned all that happens is some mge nerds get publicly shamed

Yeah but this only high-lights the irony of why the fuck would he A. Wait until he knew he was playing in invite to do that and B. Play 20 days worth of MGE to presumably get good at the game if he was just going to hack when he wanted to stomp lobbies. It only gets funnier when you consider the conditions in which he did hack (those being in a game with recorded stats, with at least a tangential overlap with the tf.tv community, on an alt that was capable of being traced to him with public information)

Well you can stay braced for the upcoming shitstorm about what do we do regarding an active invite player being outed as a hacker, and for a recent incident no less.

did smaka get double juggled by plat rocket jumping since he was using qf

l m a o

We didn't have stats back then though :o)

European shitposters are the worst shitposters

1. Trophy incident
2. Phrakture's alt saga and MGE obsession
3. Vhalin's chair-stand

Congrats on breaking the top 3, this community never ceases to amaze.

Let's try to keep all insults directed at phrakture for the time being.

I have to ask what the purpose of the like 20 days worth of MGE played was if you were just going to hack on an easily traceable alt in tf2lobby, which has recorded stats?