Maybe because the scientific method is the most effective way of testing hypotheses and formulating solutions?

The way that this community reacts when encountering new elements in the game is disturbing. There's nothing wrong with having an opinion on the weapon, but immediately banning it ensures that the game remains stagnant. One of the greatest things about e-sports is that they are perpetually evolving games.

We should be treating new weapons and changes constructively, because it'll help us provide better feedback to Valve and diagnose problems within our own version of the game.

For example:

Because the weapon has actually been used, we can have dialogue about it.

I haven't seen the conch run outside of attacking gullywash last. That would be the second time that recently popular unlocks seemed bad for 6s on Gullywash specifically. Why haven't we talked about taking Gullywash out of the rotation? It's always been a map prone to stalemates and passive play.

When I still lived with my parents the connection would drop for half a second every 15 minutes or so. Incredibly frustrating to game with. Went on for a couple years, we made two attempts to talk to them and fix it and nothing ever happened. Tried new routers too, nothing fixed it. As far as I know it's still doing it.

I still have comcast but it hasn't been doing it here. I'm still way too wary to pay for phone or t.v. though.

It's a gorgeous map, congratz dude. I'm excited to see how it'll play.

I still think cp_granary_pro is cool even if it doesn't make any major changes to last

@future apparently they're porting TF2 to Source2. So when that's released 12 years from now it will be presumably optimized.

I don't care how terrible the changes are, I'm just happy that they're trying. Seriously I don't care.

That being said what the fuck reserve shooter

can't deny that it worked though. pain train and MG roamers seem just as common as EP ones

I hope you know the other team was half invite players too. And Meat Market was easily a main level team. It's not like this is the first time open has been so top heavy. There's a reason they moved up top open teams when main was created.

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also why are so many people upset when they can't snipe in an environment that ISN'T challenging/impressive where they can ACTUALLY ruin the game but then still demand sniper be banned from DM servers because 'its not fair?'

I'm very aware of how effective sniper can be; I play a lot of sniper myself. But cookie cutter classes come first. New player should be focused on understanding them before they experiment with offclasses or unconventional play. You gotta learn the rules before you break them.

It's extremely common for new players to offclass when they're doing poorly, and that's something that should be discouraged. If you're more effective as sniper than scout/soldier, it's only because you're exceptionally bad at the class you were playing, which is all the more reason to be playing it.

The reason sniping is so pointless in pugs is because a sniper's success or failure is entirely dependent on his team's ability to support him, or the enemy teams inability to apply pressure properly. Because this is a pug, the snipers success depends entirely on the teams picked, and sniper has a natural advantage in pugs because teams are inherently uncoordinated.

So what's the benefit of running sniper in pugs? It has no benefit for the person playing sniper because they've completely removed themselves from the positioning/strategy of the game (as little as pugs have). It's no benefit for the people playing against it, because the counter to sniper is to hold close and pressure appropriately, which requires teamwork, which pugs usually lack. And it's no benefit for the teammates of the sniper, because they're not learning to break holds/push normally themselves.

Of course it's fine for defending/attacking last, but it's certainly not the only way to go about doing that. It sucks that it got banned because people were abusing it, but it doesn't need to be a significant part of the game at this low level. In pug.na or higher level inhouses it's fine of course, because most players are aware of how to function around a sniper, and usually don't offclass to it because they're sucking at the class they're supposed to be playing.

I don't think it's that big of a deal. They're low level pugs and players should be encouraged to learn the game instead of going with something that works. If you're more effective in a pug as a sniper than you are as a scout/soldier than you're an abysmal scout/soldier who should be spending their time practicing instead of sniping. Sniping in pugs is either too easy or too hard. Easy if the other team has no idea how to deal with a sniper (most of the time), or hard because your own team isn't capable of supporting you. I don't understand how anyone can take genuine satisfaction from sniping in pugs.

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I always thought of main as an extension of invite for players who didn't want to compete for LAN but still wanted to play high level tf2, and as a buffer zone for upcoming players to enter the next level of play. I don't really see what's wrong with invite players playing in main. It kinda sucks that the roster ended up changing so significantly but it seems unfair to bash them for being 'too good' in a division like main.

There's not really a good answer to your question. It's the biggest problem comp tf2 faces right now imo. If you can't regularly get 3-4 nights off between sunday and thursday 9-12 you basically can't play on a team. At least not a mid-level+ and serious one. It really sucks, but without an infrastructure built into the game to play organized matches we'll always have the problem.

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