I've been thinking along similar lines (https://www.teamfortress.tv/53629/pc-pointcapture-gamemode), added you to chat
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The overhauled version of Pointcapture powered by Vscript I am (thinking about) working on.
The Core Problem
The optimized high-level strategy in 5CP is to gain a round lead (the actually hard part) and then play it as safe as possible (which wG demonstrated).
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Because being passive and holding a point is just easier to do than being agressive and taking one, the length of the round timer doesn't change much about this passivity-problem.
To disincentivise passivity after gaining a round lead, I think more significant changes need to be made.
Potential Improvements
1)
Ultimately, stalemates are a waste of time. If the state of the game is stuck after 5 minutes, why should a round-restart change anything about that happening again? It's trying the same thing again, hoping for a different result, not very elegant at all. The same problem already existed with 10-minute round-timers (see Crowns.gg).
Replacing stalemates at round-timeout with a punishment for the team that owns the least control points could solve this problem.
That would mean that, even if a round times out, the team that has capped the most CP's is rewarded more than the one that has been passive.
I've explored that possibility here: https://www.teamfortress.tv/53629/pc-pointcapture-gamemode
2)
I've come to realize that the problem of passivity is so fundamental, that even the approach I developed above is just a band-aid, even more fundamental changes might need to be made.
I could say more, but I don't expect many people to care enough, if anyone is interested in talking about this more deeply, feel free to add me on Steam!
Große Freude!
Sylent
I can recommend getting at least a desk with adjustable height (manually adjustable length for each table leg). I used to have a relatively cheap one from IKEA until I got myself an electric sit-stand desk (ideal for me, although an investment).
Also, people can have very different leg-torso ratios, 2 of the same height might have different ideal desk heights.
6v6v6v6 tournament when?
I am very interested in seeing matches on this map (also other A/D maps) from a gamemode design/balance perspective. If there are any VODs I can check out, please let me know (:
Been reading Musashi, which is the first book in years that actually gets me reading. Notable exception being "Arc de Triomphe" and "Man's Search for Meaning".
Musashi is very good, I purchased the Book of Five Rings he wrote and another unrelated book called "Man's Search for Himself" to read afterwards.
Only 4 slots missing for playtest!
New lobby up: https://www.tf2stadium.com/lobby/8836
Join the discord too: https://discord.gg/USTKwk
Recently I've been thinking that a big reason for services like this going underused might be because there is no way to notify the pool of potential players that a pug/lobby is looking for players.
TF2Stadium tries to solve this problem by having a bunch of discord channels you can unmute to be notified of new lobbies/almost ready lobbies of the desired game type.
But I feel like few people are aware of this/use it.
I think a chat-bot integration could be much more successful at notifying a pool of potential players, imagine unmuting notifications about desired lobby types for a period of time using simple chat commands, allowing for much more user specificity in the notifications.
A probably much less complicated way of concentrating attempts to use the services might be to just decide on weekdays and specific times, during these times, services could potentially provide match servers to incentivise turning up
TL;DR I think the issue with such services being underused is not a lack of interest/potential users, but coordination among them
Anyone willing to test and talk, now's the time!
https://discord.gg/dfSR2m
https://www.tf2stadium.com/lobby/8813
Join our Discord on Saturday, November 23 at 19:00 CET for discussions and potential playtest
http://www.strawpoll.me/18955129
Quick bump, also I realise many people on these forums are from NA, vote here instead:
http://www.strawpoll.me/18961331
Thanks to the great people from TF2Stadium, it is easily possible to host Pointcapture lobbies on their platform!
The easiest way is to use a serveme.tf server which, thanks again to Arie, already have the Pointcapture maps installed.
On TF2Stadiums map selection screen, simply make sure to correctly type out the desired maps name e.g. "pc5_snakewater_a2b" for it to work.
Recommended playtest-settings:
mp_maxrounds 0
mp_timelimit 30
mp_windifference 25
mp_winlimit 0
I'll try my hand at some EU TF2Stadium playtests in the coming week.
For anyone interested, please answer this poll to help me gauge player availability over the course of the coming evenings:
http://www.strawpoll.me/18955129
Feel free to use this as an excuse to use TF2Stadium in general, it's a shame this great platform isn't utilized.
Oh yeah, and join our Discord if you haven't: https://discordapp.com/invite/sVqeDcR
mishael1This is really cool, thanks for making and sharing this! Is there a way to run this in TF2C or another lobby options? Would love to try this.
I am glad you like what I am doing, unfortunately TF2Center don't want to run experimental lobbies and haven't granted my request to whitelist Pointcapture maps on their platform.
FactsMachineYou could also try hosting pugs.
I have never hosted or even played a pug, I could try my hand at it but I think it would be best if someone more experienced went for it. My impression is that many PUG players aren't looking to experiment and rather want to play the game they are used to. I could be wrong though^^
If anyone wants to take action and organize a playtest, feel free to add me to talk about it.
A bunch of people have joined the Discord (https://discordapp.com/invite/sVqeDcR) so far, so there seems to be some interest.