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if we've learned anything from the past is that the brits will certainly not lose to the germans
Love Doctor Cherry,
My current girlfriend comes from an East Asian culture and I'm having trouble getting her family to accept me. I feel like it would be a smart move to woo her family by trading her for livestock. What would you recommend Cherry?
Thanks,
ConfusedWhiteLoverBoy
Connor winning IM without me to carry him in finals?
Questionable imo
I mean there's definitely an argument to be made that platinum could be a better player then b4nny by using the age old tf2 tradition of who tries less but still does good bc its a giant circlejerk in tf2 when it comes to bragging about how little you play
but b4nny by all categories is the best tf2 player besides the "I try so little" category
watching b4nny be mean to people in pugs
trying to out gimmick EU smh
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Everyone else(including sen)
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SetletAvast
Your reasoning is decent except it ignores two things for mid fights:
1. A demo with booties should always get there faster and with more health than a non booties one.
2. If the opposing demo doesn't try to put damage on him then if the other demo is smart he can just walk forward and shoot like 2-3 sticks and kill him/put him out of the fight then surf any damage.
b4nny's points still stand and if the other demo knows how to use them then he should always have the upper hand in mid fights over demos that dont know how to use them. Forcing both to run it.
I don't really think you get to mid that much faster. It would be hard for me to test that though as I'm usually faster than any other demo anyway (egoistic much hehe) so I'll leave that for now. On how many maps do you get more than +25 hp though? I think lot of the maps offer you enough health packs so you get full hp regardless. That 25hp difference is also a reason I said you shouldn't try to trade stickies with each other, as you are in a disadvantage.
I don't know what map you are talking about in your second argument, but if we talk Badlands then getting on top of point is suicidal for the booties demo if you just call it to your team asap. Not even booties can save you if you play full yolo. You gotta hope your surfing skill is on point then...
I should also add that my post is independent and I haven't read many of other peoples' posts here. I didn't read b4nnys argument yet so I'll do it if needed for future responses.
Two things:
It's obvious you haven't played against a booties demo much because you get to mid faster on every map with booties and significantly faster on maps with longer rollouts like granary/metalworks.
In addition its simplistic to look at it for midfights as only +25 hp because of the extra overbuff you also receive. Which means that you can do extra jumps while having faster walking speed and get to mid significantly faster than the other demo while having the same health once you arrive.
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I mean you literally just ignored all of b4nny's points and didn't refute them with a single piece of evidence or reasoning.
You just said, "I don't think they're that great because no one that i play with/against has yet figure out how to use it."
I think I did refute some of his points but it was a general reply I don't have to counter every single one of his points I was just posting my opinion. Also it's not like people in Europe don't use it at all or don't know how to play with it. There are other good demomen in Europe than kaidus and they do use it, just not as much as americans because they don't see it as stong of a weapon. The only real point I was refuting was him saying we should ban the weapon, I don't think we should ban the weapon yet.
I agree with you in that it shouldn't be banned. I'm merely arguing that in its current state its simply better than the all the other demo unlocks and certainly changes the way the game is played to be forced to revolve around it.
Also I don't think there arent good eu demos. They just don't know how to use the booties.
SetletBooties are a great team-weapon in a sense that you are much vulnerable alone (no pipes to defend yourself and probably always have less stickies prepared) but in a teamfight, you are hard to pick off and if you can survive the initial attack, your teammates may be able to finish off the attackers instead.
So just focus pretty much anyone else except the demo and you'll win vs booties. Without his pipes he is just a soldier; tanky, but not much damage to dish out. Unlike a heavy which should be focused down immediately, demo's dps is actually pretty low if he has to reload his every shot and shoot them offensively (so the sticky nerf comes to play). Demo's anti-air capabilities is also weakened a lot, so bombing the medic gets easier. If the demo is alone, then facerushing him as a scout is very effective, as 2 stickies don't kill you (unless extremely well placed or placed beforehand as a trap)
Being a demo with pipes in mid fights, don't try to weaken the booties demo, but instead try to look chip their scouts or sticky carpet your own playground so roamers have a harder time dealing with you. Trying to chip off a 300hp demo isn't going to pay off. Force the demo to come close (for example in badlands mid on top of the point) before you call your team to focus him off. If it's a mexican standoff you'll pretty much win by default because you got pipes (hopefully you hit at least one direct)
Using booties is very useful if enemy team is focusing you hard, your pipe aim is off for some reason or you really want to win a midfight with the combination of quickiebomb launcher. I have to agree that the concept of booties is flawed (giving you just flat out survivability in exchange of something skillful like pipes), but it's certainly not OP and just gives you another style to play with. Loose cannon for extremely pussy playing, booties for the semi-passive play where you take lot of the heals and pipes for aggressive play where you try to out-duel your opponents. And as long as you think (or Valve thinks) scout is a fine class and shouldn't be nerfed, passive demo is going to rule. Or just buff stickies again, I wouldn't mind that.
I'll try to answer any questions you might have, probably more in the demoman's point of view though.
Your reasoning is decent except it ignores two things for mid fights:
1. A demo with booties should always get there faster and with more health than a non booties one.
2. If the opposing demo doesn't try to put damage on him then if the other demo is smart he can just walk forward and shoot like 2-3 sticks and kill him/put him out of the fight then surf any damage.
b4nny's points still stand and if the other demo knows how to use them then he should always have the upper hand in mid fights over demos that dont know how to use them. Forcing both to run it.