Oh yeah, of course, I don't disagree with that, just saying that if people want this to be a really popular competitive game, current 6v6 was never going to be that game for so many reasons it'd be a novel to even list them all.

a) We already know significant balance changes are on the way.

b) If anyone thinks the way current 6s is is going to last for a significant amount of time then they don't really understand how "real competitive games" work. Either current competitive exists and people ignore Valve's efforts and every league continues to bleed players like they have been (which they have been if you actually go through each league and track it), or people actually work with Valve on this, shift to their ruleset preferences, and then work with them to make it an actual good competitive experience and you get somewhere, there's really no way around this man. You can't eat your cake and have it too, having actual monetary support behind a thing like this with the game company means they get to shape it, whether it is for better or worse. Seems like people just expected Valve to drop 100k tournaments and change nothing which was literally never going to happen. That said, as much as Valve hasn't had the best track record when it comes to TF2 specifically, they've sort of knocked it out of the park with DotA and CSGO so, idk? But people have to be willing to embrace the change, because the way current TF2 is is absolutely not doable as a competitive game when you have to ban tons of weapons and enforce class limits to create a specific meta to create a specific type of experience.

Consider this going back to Square 1 back in 2007, the meta is going to be fucked up as hell and no one is going to know what the best shit is for sure out of the gate, but you re-figure that out and work with Valve to fix it. This is them saying they are trying, so try with them.

The only way this kills the future potential of the competitive game is if the competitive community just doesn't bother and keeps playing their own separate game from everyone else. If you want real money and real viewers then you have to go hand in hand with Valve on it. It's gonna be rocky as shit to start with, but so was 6v6 in the first place with forced random crits, forced damage spread, forced shotgun spread, and bad maps. Still got to where it is today, even with the relatively bad start.

Pyro is literally the worst class in the game in every major format. In 12v12 if people are actually trying Pyro is pointless, pretty much every high end Highlander team would remove Pyro first if they had to drop a single class and were forced to play 8v8, barely anyone uses Pyro ever in high end 6v6, Pyro is even worse in a no restrictions 6v6.

Why on earth would you literally nerf basically everything about Pyro. -_- It doesn't need straight buffs either, it just needs to be given a very clear purpose that goes beyond "stuffing ubers", "rarely reflecting projectiles", and "kinda spy checking but ultimately being worse than a good Scout at it". Every other class has a clear useful niche which leads to them being useful relatively often.

When you upgrade to Windows 10 it takes your previous entitlement key and uses it to make a new entitlement that is also embedded into your motherboard. As long as you have the same motherboard when you install Windows 10 it should auto detect the key. Even if it doesn't you can use the Windows 7 key you already have assuming it's not OEM. Come the upcoming anniversary update you will also be able to just connect your W10 entitlement to your MS Account and it'll work the instant you log in with that so that your new W10 entitlement will work across motherboards.

e:also #9 if you're serious there is never going to be a Windows 11. Windows 10 is the last Windows OS, MS has said this repeatedly. It will be updated and stuck with until they rip as a company.

Upgrading a Windows OS to another Windows OS basically never works out because there's always going to be weird driver/registry errors that occur.

Just clean install, the OS is fine when you do (just turn off p2p Windows Updates because it'll choke your net randomly unless your net is god tier), and you gotta get used to it anyways because Windows 10 is the last Windows OS.

sac I don't plan on replying much further in this thread so I might not get back to your reply to this if you do, but I don't think anyone is saying the EU is perfect, because it isn't, and there's definitely some shitty aspects to it, but it's still infinitely more preferable than what leaving it is going to do to the rest of the world and esp England. Instead the EU's members should be working together to fix the shitty aspects, all Brexit is doing is basically telling people that the UK (by which I actually mean England here, because I'll be impressed if Scotland doesn't call for independence again and Northern Ireland doesn't attempt for unification with Southern Ireland soon) gives up on the concept of the EU and doesn't want to bother with making it better.

Plus as time goes on globalization is only going to increase, not lessen, and we should be striving to work together as one people not divisions of nationalistic ones, and the EU is pretty much the biggest thing actually leading that charge.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

Blows my mind that people do this.

doesn't matter if people are pro something if not everyone for that thing actually votes though, and the turn out was only 72%.

I understand your reply to me Jon but the thing is is your argument doesn't make much sense. Even if Valve's structure was - for whatever reason - preventing such a thing they can literally just hire people who work outside that structure to PR for them.

Also I think your argument about the developer update video is a bit odd, it told people it was still coming and not delayed, it told people they were making format changes that we now know specifics about, that the seasons were being extended due to player feedback, and that their would be special rewards for it. Not long after Jeff went to the forums and told people about the upcoming McCree/Widow nerfs and gave some decent specifics on McCree, as well as mentioning that they were looking into Dva buffs and trying many different ways of adjusting her and weren't sure on what they'd do.

Then today you get a post like this: http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745504371#post-3

Which I think you'd be hard pressed to argue is "publicity bullshit" or anything of the sort. There is no PR here, it is just his straight up thoughts.

While I wouldn't expect that level of communication from Valve because they are nowhere near that point, Jeff Kaplan has repeatedly made posts like these for Blizzard ever since he started working with them on World of Warcraft and he still does it. They're fine. Riot said they were going to release Magma Chamber, then never did. The worst they get is memes about it. Most people are well adjusted enough that they understand plans change, and as long as you had a disclaimer or don't give super specific values, most people aren't going to care if shit changes. These are games with tens of millions of players just like DotA or CS, and they are fine. A lot of it has to deal with the way you word things and how much into specifics you actually get, but I guarantee you 99% of the people complaining here would be content with just "we're looking into adjusting some of our maps" or "we're looking into making some of the unused Soldier unlocks more viable" or "we're looking into making Syringe Guns more used" and probably get the biggest boners over any of that even though all of that is barely specific.

So while I can accept maybe Valve's infrastructure has something to do with it (somehow) and they could fix that with outside help, my point originally towards Geel was that arguing that Valve can't communicate because "you can't promise things in their position" is just bogus when two large companies in the same position as them (if not larger when it comes to Riot and how big LoL is unfortunately) can do it. Don't blame their position, blame them.

Riot Games and Blizzard don't seem to have much of a problem with doing it though. Both companies make a substantial effort to provide developer updates or give people heads up on changes at times even months (though often weeks) ahead of time and do mostly fine at doing it, and those companies are just as big dog as Valve.

I mean these were the people that were caught off guard that the community was upset that they missed a holiday and didn't bother telling them they were missing the holiday until several days after the holiday was over in DotA, which is probably one of the most easy things to communicate to your players ahead of time. Valve just doesn't even try to communicate really.

overwatch's server tick rate is 60.

the thing that people constantly mistake for "20 tick" is the cl_cmdrate which is 20.8 (TF2's default is 30 for comparison) which is the amount of packets/second each client sends the server. The High Bandwidth option changes this to 60.

most of the stuff people complain about (roadhogs hook, getting shot behind walls you went past) are due to lag compensation and stuff like getting shot behind walls happens in tf2 even with a high end networking config on both sides ends and a 66 tick server because of lag comp.

source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-06-07-overwatch-blizzard-answers-the-big-questions

couldbe a few things, including using the same phone number or credit card

http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/

or this guy which gave blizzard $160 and got banned 4 times.

While I'm mostly tired of TF2 I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what Valve does and hopefully seeing it become the game I think almost all of us imagined it could have been years ago. Valve definitely has a lot of catching up to do to implement stuff that should have been here pretty much years ago tho, but we'll see how it goes.

Every single modern Blizzard game has an AC called Warden.

You guys could probably decompile cp_steel, open it up in Hammer, edit out the rocket, and recompile it just for taking pictures - just a thought.