jnkiMrOI'll buy a displayport cable then.https://i.imgur.com/zAD5HpJ.png
Thanks for showing me.
I just ordered it, once again thanks for your help.
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jnkiMrOI'll buy a displayport cable then.https://i.imgur.com/zAD5HpJ.png
Thanks for showing me.
I just ordered it, once again thanks for your help.
jnkiMrO- I don't have much space on my desk but my keyboard is not a problem. for the stand it really depends on the exact measurements, I have just enough space for a second screen right now so either I go for a wide screen that's almost 2 screens worth or one that can fit next to it, my current desktop being 110 cm wide so not sure even the 27 inch can fit, I tried measuring but it seems very tight for another 60 cm in diagonal screen to fit next to it. Still, in a not so distant future I intend to change my desktop so it's not that important. I think 27-28 inch will be perfect. the stand is not so important either, as long as it fits into the 20 cm space between the end of my mousepad and the end of my desktop.Well there is no way you ergonomically fit 2 monitors on a 1m wide desk where you place your monitors so that you look straight at one(as you should), or where you dont position the second monitor at a weird angle far behind/in front of the main monitor(or just both at a weird angle). At least not without a VESA arm for 2 monitors. I've had a 100x60cm desk and 2 monitors, 24&27inches and I straight up removed the second monitor because there is no way in hell that would work unless you want the 2nd monitor in the 90° portrait position. I definitely dont see constantly having your head and neck turned for hours on end to use the main screen being comfortable.
I don't have anything that I want to add specifically otherwise.
As for fitting it within the 20cm of free space where your monitor is, probably not going to happen either if your desk is flush to the wall or if your deskmat(i assume) height exceeds 40cm, because the stands normally extend a decent bit behind the actual screen enclosure so if you have a 110x60 measurements, out of luck, maybe you have 110x75cm then its doable otherwise the stand is going on the deskpad.Show ContentMrO- I'd rather go for not curved.good because 99% of them are VA panels and they are not suitable for color accurate work or competitive gaming
okay monitors
Alienware AW2723DF
probably the best gaming capable monitor here, can do 280hz overclocked. colours are great but is less colour accurate than LG, and is the most expensive
probably cheaper here than on amazon
for a 100 less you have ASUS VG27AQML1A while its as capable at gaming it doesnt offer color accuracy at all
for the same price you have Lenovo Legion Y27qf-30 which has way better colour accuracy and reasonable response times so its a bit worse in gaming than ASUS(though its only better by using backlight strobing so its gonna halve its brightness and sacrifice colours even more to achieve that) but way better production wise
also for the same price there is Acer Nitro XV272UX with very respectable colour accuracy close to the LG but they cheaped out on G-SYNC so while it has variable refresh rate it is not certified, I probably wouldnt care much about that
it also basically doesnt exist outside amazon
paradoxically i wouldnt reccomend the 240hz LG's because out of the 2 models they have up one is 600 eur(if you can find one in europe while msrp in the US is 499$) and the other one is 900EUR OLED
iiyama at almost 500 and aoc at 599eur were nothing special and werent worth it
as far as 165hz goes it just doesnt get better than this LG
excellent performance and colours, not to mention it goes for 315(could be had for 279 last month but we live in the present), the only thing to complain about is the fact that the stand doesnt let you swivel the screen left to right so if you want to adjust the horizontal angle you have to grab the monitor by its stand and move the entire thing to achieve the viewing angle that suits you
as always read some reviews perhaps because things that are okay with me might not apply to you, so being informed is key
one more thing, hdmi 2.0 can only do 1440p 144hz, and can only reproduce gimped 8bit so if you want to enjoy the best of your monitor use DisplayPort
Just back from vacation. Thanks for the advice.
Currently my 2 monitors are a similarly positionned as yours on the second screen, and yeah sometimes it's a little bit painful. I guess it's best I remove one, until I have a bigger desk. Well I'm not against a wall and my mouse pad is like 30 cm, so I guess it could be ok.
From what you say and what I saw online I think I'm going to go for the LG one in the end. I hesitated between that and the alienware but I'm scared about the backlight bleed issues that people report. Not sure I want to risk that. 165 Hz seems already great too, I like to game competitively but I'm not making a career out of it so it seems enough for me.
Thanks for the info, I'll bluy a displayport cable then.
jnkiMrOOk well here I am one week later, everything is set up, I'm posting this on my new build, benchmarked and everything, it all seems to be ok.no but i can point you in the right direction, but before that I need to datamine you
I just need a good monitor now and I think I'll be good for a while. Still not sure wether to go for a 240 Hz or less, I'd like for it to be 240 Hz preferrably but if it's at the expense of too many other important caracteristics then I'd prefer to go for 165 Hz. My budget is 500-600 euros, I hope that will give me good options for a monitor I won't want to have replaced for a while. Can you help me out?
lets establish some basic or specific features you want or need so that you dont miss one when its too late
there are no gaming capable 24/25 inch 1440p monitors so you get to choose from 27-32"
curved or not curved?
do you need a USB hub? a thunderbolt with powerdelivery for seamless laptop connection?
color accuracy?
g-sync/free sync?
some monitors have very wide, wing like stands while some have much more compact, rectangular shaped ones, is it a dealbreaker? do you have desk space or need extra space for your keyboard, maybe you play keyboard tilted 90 degrees?(implying you dont want to use a vesa mount, because in case you do this point is irrelevant)
anything i missed or you want specifically
sorry for taking so long to answer.
- I'd rather go for not curved
- I don't think I need a usb hub or a thunderbolt no. At least not that I know of, my usecases are competitive gaming, programming and development so I'm not sure if that can help for something, in any case I couldn't find a reason for having those necessarily.
- color accuracy is pretty important to me yes.
- that one is hard to know. If I go for a high Hz monitor I guess tearing shouldn't be a problem, but the stuttering could be a problem. I do have some stuttering issues on tf2 sometimes, especially on the newer recently introduced maps, where the fps can go from 250 to 150 quickly for no real reason.
But I also heard sync can add input lag, so I'm not sure. I guess It's something I wouldn't be bothered by to have as an option just in case.
- I don't have much space on my desk but my keyboard is not a problem. for the stand it really depends on the exact measurements, I have just enough space for a second screen right now so either I go for a wide screen that's almost 2 screens worth or one that can fit next to it, my current desktop being 110 cm wide so not sure even the 27 inch can fit, I tried measuring but it seems very tight for another 60 cm in diagonal screen to fit next to it. Still, in a not so distant future I intend to change my desktop so it's not that important. I think 27-28 inch will be perfect. the stand is not so important either, as long as it fits into the 20 cm space between the end of my mousepad and the end of my desktop.
I don't have anything that I want to add specifically otherwise.
jnki165 is the new 144. 144hz monitors for 1080/1440p is old stock of display panels somebody has a bunch of laying around, got their hands on cheaply/at a large discount(namely noname brands) or are models from 2021 and before
idk Germany seems to be doing fine as for everybody else well there was an Amazon prime day just 5 days ago maybe that played a part? dont know about other countries and stores
in general USA is the number one consumer market for computer electronics, then Germany. the reasons are pretty straight forward, large populations, powerful economies and more importantly relative real buying power. big stores are able to negotiate far better prices for things like CPUs, GPUs, motherboards, laptops, monitors and every other less expensive component hence why these products go on sale often because they are able to get rid of stock fast. prices in Germany are so good at times people from other european countries not only just buy from amazon.de directly, they buy from Mindfactory/Alternate/notebooksbilliger with the help from shipping agents that redeliver the orders to other european countries because paying 3x for shipping is still economically more sound than paying 50-200+ eur more at your local consumer/computer electronics store chains.
as for why the 240hz 1440p monitors themselves are expensive at the moment is because, well they havent been out long. full hd 240hz is very mature with 6 years worth of panels and research & development, this drives the price down for big brand names since the production is cheaper for something that is mass produced, in many cases a 240hz 1080p screen is cheaper than a bunch of 144/165hz 1080p models
that being said there are still 1440p 240/165hz monitors to be had for a half decent price just gotta know where and how to look:
240hz qhd
https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0BY8Z1DF6
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B08TMH6WFC
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0BGCBZP8R (VA panel dont buy)
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B09DT8TJXY (VA curved panel dont buy)
165hz qhd
https://www.amazon.it/dp/B0BVWMSP1V
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0BVZ5Q2FW
https://www.amazon.es/dp/B07VTPKCLS
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B08J4D98JB
obviously there are more options at other electronics retail stores but that is more effort than i am willing to make for this post considering you havent even built your pc yet
perhaps after you reevaluate your wallet contents after spending a staggering amount of money on a pc build you come back at a later date and we can work it out
Ok well here I am one week later, everything is set up, I'm posting this on my new build, benchmarked and everything, it all seems to be ok.
I just need a good monitor now and I think I'll be good for a while. Still not sure wether to go for a 240 Hz or less, I'd like for it to be 240 Hz preferrably but if it's at the expense of too many other important caracteristics then I'd prefer to go for 165 Hz. My budget is 500-600 euros, I hope that will give me good options for a monitor I won't want to have replaced for a while. Can you help me out?
jnki165 is the new 144. 144hz monitors for 1080/1440p is old stock of display panels somebody has a bunch of laying around, got their hands on cheaply/at a large discount(namely noname brands) or are models from 2021 and before
idk Germany seems to be doing fine as for everybody else well there was an Amazon prime day just 5 days ago maybe that played a part? dont know about other countries and stores
in general USA is the number one consumer market for computer electronics, then Germany. the reasons are pretty straight forward, large populations, powerful economies and more importantly relative real buying power. big stores are able to negotiate far better prices for things like CPUs, GPUs, motherboards, laptops, monitors and every other less expensive component hence why these products go on sale often because they are able to get rid of stock fast. prices in Germany are so good at times people from other european countries not only just buy from amazon.de directly, they buy from Mindfactory/Alternate/notebooksbilliger with the help from shipping agents that redeliver the orders to other european countries because paying 3x for shipping is still economically more sound than paying 50-200+ eur more at your local consumer/computer electronics store chains.
as for why the 240hz 1440p monitors themselves are expensive at the moment is because, well they havent been out long. full hd 240hz is very mature with 6 years worth of panels and research & development, this drives the price down for big brand names since the production is cheaper for something that is mass produced, in many cases a 240hz 1080p screen is cheaper than a bunch of 144/165hz 1080p models
that being said there are still 1440p 240/165hz monitors to be had for a half decent price just gotta know where and how to look:
240hz qhd
https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0BY8Z1DF6
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B08TMH6WFC
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0BGCBZP8R (VA panel dont buy)
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B09DT8TJXY (VA curved panel dont buy)
165hz qhd
https://www.amazon.it/dp/B0BVWMSP1V
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0BVZ5Q2FW
https://www.amazon.es/dp/B07VTPKCLS
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B08J4D98JB
obviously there are more options at other electronics retail stores but that is more effort than i am willing to make for this post considering you havent even built your pc yet
perhaps after you reevaluate your wallet contents after spending a staggering amount of money on a pc build you come back at a later date and we can work it out
Thanks for all the info. It's already very interesting.
I do remember some friends of mine talking about how they bought games and electronics related products from amazon.de. I also just bought some of my components from alternate, and yeah they were far cheaper than the other stores in Belgium.. Right now I'm expecting everything to arrive by next week, I'll take a look at those monitors you posted already, I hope I'll have that pc built by next week also, I'll come ask you later when it's done then. I don't really know yet how much I'm willing to give since I did spend a lot of money already. But then again I saw some people say the screen was important since it basically contains the result of all prior investments. Not sure how much I should invest in it then, I guess 500 euros would be my upper limit for now, I think that's like mid-high range for a 1440p screen if I'm not mistaken.
jnkiyeah well reading the comments on the french deals website it apparently ran out of stock yesterday(?) so eh, its on another website still for 299 according to pcpartpicker or 350 on spanish amazon, every other amazon is 400+
https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/product/WWcG3C/lg-27gp850-b-270-2560x1440-165-hz-monitor-27gp850-b
https://www.fnac.com/Ecran-PC-Gaming-LG-UltraGear-27GP850-B-27-LED-QHD-Noir-mat/a16147192/
says ships from Dec 2nd
most of these were cheaper before black friday(30-100eur), make of that what you will
Iiyama GB2770QSU-B1(2021) - 290eur G2770QSU-B1(2022) - 300eur, the only difference between the two is the stand and probably a slightly better panel on the newer revision idk
wont blow you out of the water, Okayge
Samsung Odyssey G5 S27AG500NU(2021) - 254eur amazon.pl, seems like just a lower binned, slower LG panel, no idea
B+
Acer Nitro VG270UPbmiipx(2018) ~250 eur
pros: slightly cheaper than the rest, went on sale for 200eur twice in the past month and a half
cons: shit panel from 2018, no color accuracy, no response time, 144hz, one of the HDMI ports is 1.4
skip
Gigabyte G27Q(2020) - 290eur 144hz native, 165 overclock, so expect pisspoor picture quality or overshoot at 165hz
Okayge
AOC Q27G2S(2020) - 290eur, neither fast nor color accurate
ASUS TUF VG27AQ(2019) - 350eur starting price for this is questionable, its just a gaming model, color gamut 8bit which is not ideal considering all of the aforementioned models and its only faster than the acer nitro which is hot garbage
TUF VG27AQ1A(2020) - a newer revision that has 10bit but cuts down on brightness from 320 nits on the 2019rev to 250 on this one making them dimmer than the acer nitro
neither worth bothering
lg is the one that is most worthwhile, then samsung/gigabyte
iiyama if you get a good deal is not the worst thing in the world
acer and asus are just not worth considering
I strongly urge you to read and watch some reviews on youtube of these remaining monitors before deciding, these people actually thoroughly test response times, motion clarity and color accuracy with 800eur calibrators
skip the casual reviewers that only show B-roll and quickly demonstrate the monitor like its an ad read
rtings.com and hardware unboxed on yt is a good starting point, there are a few more credible reviewers
full disclosure I've only looked at LG for an extended period of time earlier this year and it still seems to be the price to performace king this year
Just saw your post. I've been looking for all the generally considered good 1440p 144 and more Hz monitors, but it seems they are either unavailable or absurdly overpriced. So what's the wisest move here? Wait, have patience? It seems like the European market for monitors is not so great at this moment, is there a specific reason for that?
It's not like it's either the Assassin 120 for 40€ for the NH-D15 for 110€. There are lots of coolers in between, though the Assassin is about as cheap as it gets for a dual tower. Not sure how good the AK620 is, but it is an option, and between that and the NH-D15 there is, for example the Dark Rock Pro 4.
Those are the ones I see cited the most, and from the videos I saw those two stood out the most, that's why. But I've heard about AK620 and Dark Rock Pro 4 too yes.
Micro ATX means you lose 3 PCIe slots, down to 4, but USB ports should stay the same.
Though that specific board is extremely weird in regards to PCIe, partially because the space where most would be is blocked by some weird contraption, and partially because Gigabyte chose to be really fucking weird about it.
The full ATX variant got 3 x16 slots, one of them running at PCIe 4.0 x16, and two running at PCIe 3.0 x1 which is just baffling, because for some reason they felt the need to include one M.2 slot with PCIe 5.0 x4 (which you just get for free on any B650E board without all this weirdness) and still keep 2 M.2 slots at PCIe 4.0 x4, and another where they put the WiFi.
The µATX variant got 2 x16 slots, one PCIe 4.0 x16 (8 times as fast as the slots on the big one), one PCIe 4.0 x4, one M.2 slot PCIe 5.0 x4, one M.2 slot PCIe 4.0 x4 and one M.2 slot for the WiFi.
The gist of it is, unless you need three SSDs and three big PCIe x16 card, but are fine with two of them being connected with truly glacial speeds, that board makes no sense at all.
As for USB, they've both got 12 ports in the rear, 8 of them USB 3 or better, and headers to connect 3x USB 3 and 4x USB 2 to the front panel.
Oh ok I think I get it. So most of the time an ATX is if you're the type of person that knows he's going to want to expand a lot, since the extra ports are not needed anymore for most people, but this one in particular is both that and weird since some of it's slots are very slow.
So then I think I'm gonna go for the MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk WiFi, seems pretty reliable for the CPU I have and doesn't seem to have those weird shenanigans associated with the other motherboard. Atx or micro-atx I'm still unsure though.
I also saw just now that the case I'm taking if I go for the ATX case includes build-in fans, so I guess I can drop the extra fans I was about to buy separately.
In any case if my choice of motherboard seems reasonable to you in relation to the rest, I'll probably order this evening or tomorrow. Once again thanks for your help and advice.
Thanks for the feedback.
That's a bit confusing.
You're worried about the noise from the PSU so you're thinking of buying a different CPU cooler?
I'm getting confused myself, I think I made a mistake. I think it was the psu having the fans make noise...not sure anymore lol.
Anyway, yes the NH-D15 is a much better cooler. It is also significantly more expensive, but you get what you pay for.
Ok thanks. I'll think about taking either this or the thermalight peerless assassin 120 SE then.
Yes, 1000 Watt is definitely overkill.
Hm I see
You could go for a µATX mobo and case, a bit smaller and cheaper.
The choice of motherboard I'm still kinda lost in. The one I choose does it have enough ports and slots for expanding later on? and for USB slots, 2 seems ok, but it's the lower limit, 3 would be better I guess. Also I don't have future plans of expanding in mind, but I guess just in case it wouldn't hurt to leave that possibility open? And from what I understand a micro-atx is limited in expansion and usb slots, isn't it?
jnkipretty much any CPU from intel/amd released in the last year is able to push it to its limits because it is the best single thread performance we have had to date so dont worry about tf2 in the slightest
figure out how much juice you need for lawena, editing, rendering and game development(probably on the higher end side is a safe bet unless you are an indie platformer/2d/visual novel dev)
Ok great to hear.
Yeah I guess I'll need some power since I'm probably also gonna be toying with ML and AI, and on 3D side it could get demanding. So I guess I'll go for the RM1000x.
So the only thing I'm still unsure of is the motherboard (and the case, but that's just esthetically)
Hey. I'm looking to buy a whole new pc, what I would use it for would be gaming (especially TF2 but also newer games), video editing, 3D rendering and game development. I play TF2 very often so for this config to be able to run it well, knowing how weird the game can be, is also high in my priorities.
I have a budget of around 2000-2300 euros. I don't think I'm going for 4k necessarily but I saw that the RX 7900 XTX was one of the best for 1440p, still hesitating but 1440p240Hz seems good for me. Appart from that, overclocking doesn't really interest me, the programs I'll use for working I'm still doubting on some but there will probably be adobe premiere and blender. Otherwhise just games, game recording programs like lawena as well. Sound dampening I don't really know to be honest, since I have no idea what to expect.
So, I did some research and I stumbled upon this list https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/user/Photonman1/saved/PMvh99 which apparently people considered to be a good list.
From what I've seen the B650 AORUS Elite AX motherboard seems good, maybe lacks a few ports though but I'm not even sure wether I want to expand that much, I don't have any plans to in the foreseeable future anyway but I guess you never know. So maybe that could be a problem, not sure. But in any case it seems well rated and not too expensive. For the cooler I can't see many reviews for it, and there is a lot of feedback about going for the peerless assassin 120 for this particular CPU, so I'm thinking of going for that. The power supply I've seen people complain about the noise it makes. So maybe the Noctua NH-D15 would be a safer bet? I also saw someone with a very similar config but the PSU being a corsair RM1000x 1000w. But this could be overkill apparently? I'm 100% going on feedback and opinions since I have 0 experience myself, so every bit of info is welcome.
Hello. I'd like to get a config to run tf2 on the highest videosetting with good fps (100+)
I was told to ask for info here.
Right now as a processor I have a i5-6400 and as a graphics card I have GTX 750 Ti and 8 Gb ram
I was told TF2 uses the processor mostly. Should I only change my processor here?