r/tf2 is absolutely more hardcore than the majority of the tf2 crowd. The fact that some people think that's something to laugh at is really telling.

Read my first comment, kid. I was attacking the argument that overwatch isnt worth the time because it wasnt designed as a competitive game. TF2 also wasnt designed as a competitive game. So the argument is stupid.

Besides, the aimbot ult is actually kind of shitty tbh. Weird thing to latch on to.

Cause players literally sit in them. Everytime i hear the sound for his ult, I run away and turn to see my entire team get wiped.

It doesnt matter which one is worse lmao. Thats not the point.

To all the people saying overwatch was created for casuals and will never be competitive, TF2 STILL has random crits.

A projectile for the spy with a ~10 second cooldown. On hitting an enemy's back, it swaps the enemy with the spy. You can disable the spy or give the target ubercharge for ~3 seconds if its too gay.

I wasnt there for the beginning of it. Now i feel like a dick.

Why is tagg crying?

So youre considering charging veteran players to keep out the newbies? Sounds like a decent idea, but Im not sure people would go along with it, regardless of how cheap it is.

holy fuck every one of these changes are really good. cant wait to try it.

Cool. Why would you hate him?

You could NOT have missed my point harder.

How do you think you can get people to agree on that? This is way too many cooks in the kitchen.

Okay you guys have GOT to stop saying that anything that "slows down the game" is bad, for the simple reason that it can be warped around to mean about a million different things. Technically uber can "slow down the game" by making the medic temporarily unkillable, the same way the darwins danger shield "slows down the game" by making it harder to pick the sniper with a headshot.

At one point, it was said jarate slowed down the game because it discouraged teams from pushing once they were doused. And razorback slowed down the game by making the sniper unpickable by spies. Youd think the SMG also slows down the game because its the best answer to a scout trying to rush you down. But for each one of those items, you could make the opposite case, where they speed up the game by offering a unique advantage of the other team. And as we know, finding advantages is how we push.

Also, "slowing down the game" can be GOOD in some ways. Firefights in tf2 can be seen as slower than a game like CS or CoD because they take longer to resolve. But the high ttk of tf2 is what makes it a DM game in the first place. Slowing down fights and dragging them out allows for more tactical decisions to be made. Not exactly a bad thing.

The bigger problem is classes or unlocks that slow down the game by discouraging aggression. And honestly, the Engie class is more guilty of this than any unlock released to date.

DK but i dont know why. He is slow as shit, and has pretty mediocre moves all around. I guess hes cool if you like getting spikes, but i dont think im that kind of person.

I can tell you one thing. They dont listen to spuf since they just parrot everything they read here.