from /r/buildapc -- where this discussion has been had how many times?

i was hesitant to go from win7 to win8 -- just grab a program like Start8 ($5 from Stardock), ClassicShell (free, check out WinAero's cool skinpack or StartW8 (like Start8, but not from stardock and freeware)

there is a significant boot difference, in general, from win7 to win8 -- SSD or normal HDD

yeah, how did you fix it -- i've had the same issues...

this is what i was trying to say in a nutshell; ill leave it alone now.

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post #55:

i have never said that my understanding of the game is on par with anyone who has played it competitively.

i have never said that my opinion is as valuable as someone who plays the game

i have never said that my opinion is comparable to yuki's or should be viewed on the same level

in fact, i have said the opposite a number of times in this thread.

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i have never once said that i have a "good understanding" of the game; let me be perfectly clear: i do not have a "good understanding of the game.

however, i do have a "fundamental understanding" of how competitive tf2 works. do i evidently need to define "fundamental" so that people on TFTV are aware of what it actually means?

look, i understand the rules of the game. i understand the basic roles of each class. i understand the basic concepts of the meta for the different game types or maps.

i have an elementary understanding of how competitive tf2 works.

beyond that, why is it so hard for people to understand the HUGE difference between understanding how something works and executing on that understanding?

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hey, i agree totally here; i have never stated i know everything or have anything more than a fundamental (elementary) understanding of how competitive tf2 works. i do not think my opinion should be taken over the opinion of either top players (like yuki) or people who have played 7 seasons of open + 4 IM matches (like 2sy_morphiend)

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i truly do not understand the concept of "in order to have a fundamental understanding of how X, Y or Z works, you have to do it" -- you do not have to play in the NFL to have a fundamental understanding of how it works. you do not have to be a pilot to have a fundamental understanding of how a plane works. you do not have to personally write a book to understand how a book is written.

now, playing in the NFL, earning your pilot's license and writing a book will give you a tremendous amount of information on each of the specific items; at that point you probably CAN say that you have a "good understanding" of the NFL, the process that goes into writing a book and flying a plane.

fundamental (elementary) understanding != good understanding.

fundamental (elementary) understanding != having the ability to execute on that understanding

good understanding != having the ability to execute on that understanding

...this is just not that difficult to understand.

i have played with gunboats, as well as just about every other unlock in the game.

why is it insane to expect that there is a difference between understanding the game and executing on that understanding?

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i am not sure where you think i have posted about the meta being stale or that the QF is good/fun. i do think it was stupid for ESEA to ban it in the way they did, but understand why it was banned.

sick burn, bro! you got me good! /s

through this whole posting thread, you are content to put words in my mouth instead of just reading what i am saying at face value. read what i am saying at face value.

again:

spectators (that generally play tf2) understand that map because almost everyone who has played tf2 has played gravelpit multiple times.

how many competitive players, world wide, have played metalworks? pledge, who has casted quite a few games in his time, stated that he has never casted metalworks before it was played at the ESEA lan. metalworks, as far as i can tell, was never played at i49 -- at any point in the tournament.

i guess that understanding a map you have played vs not understanding a map that you have not played is illogical, inconsistent, informed and bad?

learn to read (or learn to comprehend what you read):

having a functional understanding of how TF2 works is not that difficult.
...executing on that functional understanding is another thing entirely.

i understand the role of the pocket in 6v6. i understand the impact that tri_hards running double gunboats made on the pocket's traditional role.

does that mean i can fulfill the role of the pocket? no. does that mean i can suddenly jump onto a team and be a solid player? no.

acting like you have to play a game at a high level to have a functional understanding is stupid. i will say it again, it is like saying that you have to cast to critique casters -- that is just not the case.

have i played in an NFL game? no. do i have a functional understanding of how the NFL works? yes.

since it was evidently not made clear in my comments earlier in this thread:

i do not think that maps or rules should be decided only on what spectators think.

i do not think that maps or rules should be decided only on what 6s players think.

i do think that maps or rules should take into consideration a blend of what both spectators and players think about the rules and maps (heavily slanted towards players opinions.)

do i think that tf2 is suddenly going to have "20k viewers every night" if spectators views are taken into consideration -- not a chance. i do think that being more spectator friendly will result in some level of growth in spectator numbers and will also result in some level of growth in the number of teams/players in the game as new people watch discover tf2.

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i would go out on a limb and say that members of the tf2 community that utilize your posting style is significantly more "detrimental" to the game than considering (to any extent) the views of spectators.

come on, gravelpit was voted out with 76 votes (vs 26 for metalworks, 10 for granery)

the next poll asked "Which map would you like to see in replacement of cp_gravelpit in the TF2 S15 map rotation?"

the vote was: 56 for coalplant (winner), 54 for keep gravelpit and 37 for warmerfront

so not, clearly it is not the "complete opposite" from what comp players want. otherwise gravelpit would have gotten the 3 votes edifice received instead of losing by 2 votes (~1%)

having a functional understanding of how tf2 works is. not. that. difficult. stop acting like you have to have played at the comp level to have an opinion or understand how the game works. you do not.

i would recommend you update your OP to say that you are looking for information from players only at this point in time...

gpit was just an example...

again, saying that you have to play the game to understand it/have an opinion is exactly the same as the idiots around here and elsewhere who say that in order to critique a caster you have to cast yourself because it is hard. it is stupid.

not every comp player hates it...come on.

i do not think spectators perspective should be valued over players perspectives...nor do i think it is the only reason for tf2 not growing at the rate most would like to see it grow

all i am saying is that it should be considered -- and currently it is not as far as i can tell.

the perspective of "fuck you, you dont play the game" is one of the huge problems that 6s players have currently that does not seem to either exist in HL or that is well hidden among HL players (although many HL players are vocal about 6s being dumb/stale/not worth watching/etc)

assuming that you have to play the game to have a "functioning understanding" of what makes the game work/the meta is stupid.

i have a "functional understanding" of how the game works; being able to execute on that functional understanding at a high level is an entirely different situation.

look, i am not saying that the viewers perspective should be considered as 51% over the players perspective; but i am saying that i think it should be considered if you want the game to grow...

...and 6s players wonder why viewers and players are streaming to HL

up front: i do not play competitive tf2 at all -- either 6s or Highlander. if i found tf2 when i was in college or grad school, things would be different but i just do not have the time now. i do make time to watch as much TF2 content as possible -- from Fully Charged to TFTV casts to TFTV EU games to random HL games that are casted either on TFTV or POV (such as xalox's casts in the HL Nations cup)

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i am not saying it should be a huge consideration (if you totally ignore players you lose your player base) but ignoring the viewers/casual in these kinds of discussions (rule/map sets) are one of the things that keep TF2 from growing

example: look, i understand many players do not like gravelpit...but if viewers love it and it is not difficult to cast -- can't that be considered? let's be honest, a casual viewer DOES NOT enjoy watching a match of cp_metalworks. they have not played it, they do not know the map and it not particularly enjoyable to watch.

am i saying that comp tf2 should stick to maps played in pubs? heck no! cp_process is a great example of a map that has been played in 6s that (thanks to becoming an official map) is now played in a ton of pubs and is not particularly difficult to understand.

i do think that the standardization of rulesets/mapsets would be beneficial for casual viewers (and would help bring more people into the game) -- but focusing only on the thoughts of only those currently in 6s when these kinds of discussions occur will do nothing to help the game grow.

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