It gets more into actual philosophy but the tl;dr (of a very complex argument that really should not be tl;rd'd) is that you cannot really say that one person, or group of people is more or less valuable then any other person, or group of people regardless of the outcome, real or perceived. In the Stalin case how would one choose what people are the ones that deserve the gain of utility over the loss of life, or if there isn't a standard to go by and its all just random, then are you really maximizing the utility gain from the actions? For all you know 90% of the people you kill might have a IQ of 150+ and bring the society to a new age in the next 10 years, if that was the case then you would actually be lowering the utility of the society and not raising it.

There are a lot of issues and holes in a utility based argument just due to all of the rabbit holes and "what if's" that you can pull from it, but I am not really sure if the class would be able to get into them in a 30 min time slot so it would really just muddle things and become really hard to have an actual discussion on anything. This also assumes that anyone even brings up the utility monster as a counterpoint.

Yeah but then the utility monster rears its ugly head and things get really fucking hard to talk about in that instance.

So If greatness comes from not fucking with people or killing people, has there ever actually been a "Great" empire or ruler in history then? Because by that measure, every ruler, from Caesar to Attila to Charlemagne or Napoleon were all objectively bad. No one is arguing, (at least I don't think anyone is) that the deaths didn't happen, or that the deaths were not bad, we are arguing that the deaths do not exclude Stalin from being called great, just like the deaths do not exclude all the other vast empires of old from being great.

I mean if you want it simple and want to really fuck with the other in the room.

Stalin pulled Russia through WW2, but not only that he also transformed a piss poor broken country into a world power in less then 10 years.

And if deaths are really an issue in history then ask about Alexander the great because he was an absolute tyrant and killd millions but is regarded as an amazing figure in history. Same with the Mongols and the Kahns, they killed ~10% of the entire human population at the time, but the empire they created and the culture they spread is largely seen as a good thing.

The only reason people care about the death toals right now is because there are still people that were apart of that shit so it is very emotional. Give it 150+ years and its not unreasonable to argue that point at all.

Been looking for the VTV unicorns if anyone has them or some of them somewhere or if anyone even knows what I am talking about anymore.

#CheetoDidNothingWrong

Ahh, how I have missed open drama.

K well I am at work so I cant actually spend time on this atm, but

1. No, time limits work in other games because the games resolve themselves in the end. CS has round timers, Dota and league have creeps that will end the game with no outside input. Games like TF2 or Quake need match times because people could and have gotten stuck in back and forth fights with no winner. Match times stop 3 hours of garbage from happening.

2. I though the meme was we need more variety in KOTH or A/D because 5CP has many issues AND pubbers hate it.

3. I agree that its not balanced, but that is 1 argument for half time to exist.

Wait, do you actually want to remove via? @_@

Also fuck no time limit, 3 hour long coalplant matches proved that shit is fucking garbage.

JOHN OUT OF NOWHERE

Also its 100% Rays

I have no idea if you are trolling or serious.

Have you ever had an actual job? Like in the real world? You 100% cannot say whatever you want, you will get your ass fired if you do.

I love how he says he doesn't have time to watch the video, but he has time to write all that shit out.

10/10

He got carried by invite and IM players.

All weapons have recoil, but it doesn't change anything as the reset time is the same or lower then the fire speed of the weapons.

You gotta cut one of them. Only 1 weeb per team otherwise you can't make it out of open, its the law.