why people think they deserve to hold last after somehow fumbling into full disad on last ill never know

he deleted it

pretty sure its just late 90s-early 2000s skateboarding slang:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfqB5FrbPXc (Rocket Power cartoon that ran from 1999 to 2004)

actually shockingly hard to find references to this usage online for those who want to go down the rabbit hole

Refutation of the Argument Against Class Limits in TF2's 6v6 Competitive Mode

The argument against class limits in TF2's 6v6 competitive mode draws an analogy with triathlons and posits that the current rules favor Scouts and Soldiers at the expense of other classes. The analogy aims to illustrate that over-centralization on certain classes detracts from the competitive diversity and enjoyment of the game. Let's break down the points and address the flaws in this argument.

Triathlon Analogy

Analogy Misalignment: The triathlon analogy suggests that removing swimming would unfairly benefit runners and fundamentally change the nature of the triathlon. However, this comparison doesn't directly apply to TF2 because TF2's gameplay dynamics are not analogous to triathlons. Each class in TF2 has distinct roles and interactions that create a complex, multi-layered gameplay environment, unlike the linear, sequential nature of triathlon events.

Class Interdependence: In TF2, classes are designed to complement and counter each other in a dynamic balance. Limiting classes ensures that this balance is maintained, preventing any one class from dominating. Unlike a triathlon where each sport is separate, TF2’s classes interact simultaneously, making class limits essential for maintaining strategic depth and variety.

6v6 Competitive Rules

Current Meta: The current 6v6 meta with class limits (e.g., two Scouts and two Soldiers) has evolved over years of competitive play to balance mobility, damage output, and strategic versatility. Removing these limits could lead to over-centralization, where the most versatile and powerful classes dominate, reducing strategic diversity and making the game less competitive and enjoyable.

Adapting and Learning: The argument that limiting classes stifles learning and adaptation is flawed. Class limits actually encourage players to master multiple roles and strategies. For instance, players must learn to play different classes based on the team's needs and the unfolding match dynamics, fostering a deeper understanding and broader skill set.

Comparison with Highlander: Highlander (9v9 with one of each class) is a different format designed to ensure all classes are represented. The slower, more methodical gameplay of Highlander doesn’t directly translate to 6v6, which emphasizes faster-paced, high-stakes engagements. The dynamics and balance in 6v6 require different considerations to maintain a competitive environment.

Class Limits and Over-centralization

Class Stacking: Allowing unrestricted class selection in 6v6 would likely result in stacking the most powerful classes, such as multiple Medics or Soldiers, which would centralize the meta around those classes. This would reduce the need for diverse strategies and diminish the competitive complexity that class limits currently provide.

Specialist Classes: Specialist classes, like Heavy and Pyro, have narrow use cases in 6v6. Class limits force teams to strategically deploy these specialists in specific scenarios, enhancing the strategic depth. Without limits, the game could devolve into a meta where only the most versatile classes are viable, reducing the overall strategic variety and competitiveness.

Conclusion

The argument against class limits in TF2's 6v6 competitive mode misunderstands the intricate balance and dynamics of the game. Class limits are crucial for maintaining strategic diversity, ensuring all classes can play meaningful roles, and fostering a competitive environment where players must adapt and learn multiple roles. Removing these limits would likely lead to over-centralization, diminishing the competitive depth and enjoyment of the game. Thus, class limits are not only important but essential for the health and competitiveness of TF2's 6v6 format.

disclaimer: i did not read your post or this ai generated response

these are the highlight of my season every season

https://imgur.com/BEVM3GJ.png

my eternal op

try milking an uber through a choke with a mute pocket scout who will only say "i didn't say to use" after you've been forced to a bomb that went uncalled

https://imgur.com/6iIwsoM.png

why does mustard always have to be wrong?

6s cultural icon; idol.

im not gonna claim that im speaking any more with my head than my heart, but i will just point out a couple things.

This literally already happens every season. Every admin adds the team leaders from their divs/creates a steam group to streamline coordination. How do you think demos are collected? How do you think playoffs are organized? In fact, the only things admins don't do as you've listed here is communicate with AC in any way.

I thought i already addressed this position but i think it was in one of the rewrites i deleted. it's always been the easy stance by RGL to blame the players for not doing "the bare minimum," but that doesn't really fix any problems, does it? You can criticize the culture of the community all you want, but that doesn't defeat my criticisms of RGL policies, and I maintain that its RGL's position to accommodate the community rather than lambast it.

I've been an admin and I've applied to AC before, too.

Anyway, i could've just not thrown that edit in and collected my upfrags, but honestly i'm just frustrated that it seems increasingly that nothing is going to change in this league in spite of excessive public backlash. i'd like to encourage more people offering up suggestions to improve the system, even if they aren't super well thought out. At least that way we can get more insight into what the community would like to see more of going forward. And it gives you more people to dunk on, too!

I had to rewrite this like 3 times because HOW ON EARTH COULD YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY AC TEAM WHOSE NEVER HEARD OF FENOMENO???

Please RGL, if You are reading this, just accept some people onto the AC team who can act as a messenger between the AC team and the community. Like just a couple really nice fellas that everyone likes, even if they couldn't spot a cheater for shit. cuz at least they will know who fenomeno is.

edit: sorry i had to collect my thoughts but let me justify the middleman thing. the AC ticket system is one of those ideas that seems great on paper but just doesn't mesh with the psychology of players. someone cheats against me in a game? i grab their demo and watch it with some friends. we laugh about it, say "i cant believe this guy!", and move on. by the time the watch party is over, the bad blood has been dealt with. i no longer care enough to open up the rgl ticket system and fill out a form, especially because i have no confidence anything will come of up given prior experiences. does it make me a bad person? maybe. but i know im not alone in this behaviour.

my point is that cheater demos get thrown around in steam DMs like trading cards, even if a lot of them never make it to the ticket system. so just have someone who has their steam DMs open that people know and can trust. that person can then pass those demos onto the AC team, and could even keep track of tips. i know it sounds completely redundant, but i think you would be surprised how much information such a person could pick up between playing pugs, scrims, and matches. and i have become increasingly convinced that nobody on AC has touched 6s maybe ever in their lives.

wait, so we want loch banned because its hard to react to and can do a lot of damage over really long distances, and we want mg banned because it can 1-shot most classes and offers little counterplay?

i swear i've seen this before...

to be brief, i don't think this is the right line of thinking. plenty of people apply to RGL AC, its just that very few are ever accepted to due RGLs rightfully rigorous interview process. Offering awful pay is more likely to attract kids than actual professionals. id rather they rethink their AC structure so that Good Samaritan™ eye testers could better help more important/blatant cheating cases reach a higher priority in their queue without needing to resort TFTV threads or without needing to commit dozens of hours to studying the blade of AC to make it onto the team themselves.

im just gonna go out on a limb and guess that paying 1 guy $50 a month is not gonna be as effective as, lets say, adding even 1 other person to the AC team. and im also gonna double down on the theory that high profile cases should get priority over newcomer HL demos.

im really with spacecadet here that you cannot look at this situation as anything but mismanagement of the league. sure, i imagine the 1 guy on AC is trying his best with what he's been given, but why hasn't he been given more? like an actual staff?

as an aside, if anyone has more specific information about exactly where the prize pool money is going, ive been really curious since this post was made:

https://imgur.com/s7397mE.png

i just thought it'd be really cool if AC or RGL provided servers were somehow hidden in here idk

https://imgur.com/rHAhOBy.png