All Palestinians have to do is just not fight back, accept their extermination, and let all of their land be stolen, and accept being shipped off to other countries so that Israel can peacefully exterminate their culture and identity!

how self deluded do you have to be to say these things??

"IDF. They fight and kill Hamas, and Hamas are terrorists. This is obvious. Hamas attacked civilians on Oct 7th and this is why they are now getting bombed."

Okay, but you can see that the IDF would post stats that are biased towards them, right? Like if you say I cant use the stats from one side of the conflict, that means you cant use stats from the other side. There's no reason for anyone to believe the IDF is being truthful and non-biased in their reporting and statements and such. You can't simply just say things and expect for them to be true, like "oh Hamas are terrorists because they attacked civilians", because you need to use your brain and go before the 7th of October, and see the facts.

500 Palestinian children dead in 2014 summer, by my calculations that date appears to be before October 7th 2023...

Also, you keep switching your "proportionality" from Hamas vs Palestinian civilians and Israeli deaths vs Palestinian deaths. Which is it? I mentioned the Tokyo Fire Bombings because you said people shouldn't support Israel because they (accidentally) kill civilians.

When I talk about hamas soldiers to civilians, I am talking about the civilian:militant casualty rate, making a point about how while the IDF claims that they are fighting Hamas, they are massacring tons of civilians while barely killing any Hamas soldiers.

When I talk about israeli civilians to palestinian civilians, I am talking about proportionality and collective punishment. Why are the 2 million residents of Gaza being massacred?

These are 2 different points im making, both that the IDF is collectively punishing all of Gaza for "crimes" that they themselves have committed on a FAR larger scale, and that in that "mission" about "fighting terrorism", they seem to only be killing civilians, mostly children and women...

I'm iffy on Iraq, and kinda support Afghanistan but that's beside the point, and the argument for these wars is more than just "they have terrorists".

you being "iffy" on Iraq and pro invading Afghanistan really just seals the deal here, you are a pro-imperialist pro-colonialist who cares only about the spreading US hegemony, about the ability of the US and Nato to just bully the globe into doing whatever it is they want. You show that to you, middle-easterns are subhuman and their life is worth less, since you support wars that were based on lies and bullshit and lead to the deaths of millions and the dumpster fires that are Iraq and Afghanistan today.

The justification was more than "there were terrorists" but they were still all blatant lies.

Palestine-Israel conflict would probably still exist even if there was no Hamas terrorism (it would just make Palestine seem much better).

You admit that without Hamas, the conflict would still exist. You just proved my whole argument, that this is colonialism and unjustified. If there was no Hamas, Israel would have to invent (which they did) Hamas, so they have fingers to point at so that gullible suckers like you would sit there with your thumb in your mouth screaming "KHAMAS IS TERRORIST DO YOU CONDEMN KHAMAS!!!!", instead of seeing that this is all about land and genocide and ethnic cleansing.

What is the point of arguing about this when the ICC is currently investigating Israel? Why not wait for their independent conclusion? Are we that desperate to score political points for the in-group?

Yeah man, the ICC is definitely the holiest and most righteous and trustworthy body out there!
Why are you being surprised that the statistics that orgs around the world are using are coming from groups WITHIN palestine, how else would the stats get out there? If you cherry pick enough, maybe you could justify this massacre, maybe, but sadly that isnt how it works. You cant just look at any source that opposes your viewpoint and call it lies. Besides, somebody else replied and gave you another website, so go there if you want.

Settlers are not terrorists, no. I don't particularly agree with settlers being in the West Bank either. Doesn't mean Hamas is justified or that innocent settlers should be killed.

Therein lies the rub, you don't see settlers as terrorists. You don't see people that show up to houses armed to the teeth with assault rifles that kick the original inhabitants out to make room for themselves as terrorists. You even fucking call them innocent, which is just TOO cute, considering the countless stories of settlers killing innocent Palestinians so they can steal their land.

All in all, you are pro-war and think that the US and Israel can do no wrong, you support Afghanistan, you essentially support Iraq, you probably thought Libya was a good idea too. You are in favour of collective punishment, and you see children as numbers and "collateral damage", you are morally and ethically bankrupt.

You don't trust Hamas data, okay so where do you get the data that they are "fighting terrorists" from? It's fucking insane that you equate Israel to the Allies here, its absurd.
Some quick googling reveals that the Japanese Empire was responsible for tens of millions of deaths, many many civilian deaths. So you can use your little brain to work out some proportionality argument, seeing as the Japanese empire did so much destruction, atrocities, massacres etc, then the firebombing could be seen as proportionate.

Now let me hold your hand and walk you through this: how many Israeli's have been killed by the Palestine entity? How many civilians did Palestinian groups kill in the past 2 decades? Compare that with the amount of Palestinians that the IDF has killed in JUST THE LAST 3 MONTHS. I'm already trying to skew it in favour of your argument, compare a 20 year death toll to a 3 month death toll. Unfortunately you will come to the conclusion that the Israeli lives lost absolutely pale in comparison to the Palestinian death toll.

So now you can see that it was not proportionate, just by comparing those simple and easy to access numbers. Then you can finally come to the conclusion that your argument of allies vs japan is fucking moronic and based on facetious assumptions.

There are terrorists in every country in the world. Does that justify an invasion? Can I please get your stance on the US invasion of Iraq? On their invasion of Afghanistan? You must support those wars because "there were terrorists". So you view collective punishment as ethical, reasonable, correct?

Now for the ratio, I am sourcing a non-hamas, Switzerland based group, https://euromedmonitor.org/en and according to them, of the total 30,000 dead palestinians since Oct 7th, 27000 are civilians. Meaning (using simple math here i know its hard for you to understand) 3000 of the 30,000 are militants. 3000 dead militants for 27,000 dead civilians. So there are your numbers.

Awww poor baby chungus cant laugh at his shitposts without being reminded of a genocide and ethnic cleansing campaign happening in this world? If you don't have a real opinion, you're either a psychopath who is willingly ignorant to the crimes of the IDF and equate what happened on ONE DAY (oct 7) to the past 75+ years of bloodshed and oppression and massacring that has gone on, OR you are naive child who knows nothing about the world and is too selfish to spend any % of your brainpower on anything except your own personal desires. So either you are a smelly centrist or a narcissistic moron, either way you are fucked in the head.

lets act for a minute that your horrific premise is true (you can support IDF while they kill thousands of children because they claim to be "fighting terrorists") what about the west bank then? Hamas is not the leader of the west bank, yet children there die to IDF atrocities all the time as well.

"collateral damage" doesnt apply when the ratio of dead civilians per dead hamas is as high as it is. You talk about OP being biased but I bet you're the kind of person to read an NY times article about dead babies and parade it around as evidence that palestinian children should die.

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I think that if carter (sometimes known around these parts as Ash) came back, then the season would be saved. It's clear in recent history that Grant relied heavily on Carter during the i50s era, and he was the backbone (NOT clockwork). ever since he left the scene, tf2 has never fully recovered.

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I literally have this problem right now, ive uninstalled the game and all my configs and steam cloud is disabled but it keeps reupdating itself or whatever in my folder

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Read a bit closer, little one. You may find the true meaning in time, until then, continue to be ignorant of the mechanisms of this world.

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