yeah i was loosely playing competitive HL and 6s slightly before i49

spy in its current state is a class that just gets trampled on by everything for the slightest glimmer of decloaking behind a med and insta dying, often times dying waaayy before even getting that opportunity. when you are playing this in a pub, that shit is obviously meaningless, so its really hard to understand why spy mains exist if not for some sort of nostalgia for what the class was.

its not my thing at all, but this class is one of those unique aspects that tf2 has over other shit and doesn't deserve to be objectively worse than every class at every aspect, including getting high priority picks which is supposed to be it's niche

you can't really say it has a niche as it is stands because the only thing it has over other classes is sapping sentries, and then i guess dying directly after by anything that so much as glimpses as you, but im sure in this case you would rather just play demo and then be able to defend yourself after lol

i just dont think there was anything wrong with it. there were times i was thinking it was actually not powerful enough because sometimes you'd hit some crazy shit and still not get the kill. without the capability of being effective at range its a shit class

i fully understand how stupid sniper/this ambi shit is in HL, but its a stupid gamemode to begin with. its built on stupidity, trying to be competitive whereas its understood and expected a pub will be stupidly random

that shit barely ever happened and if it did it was the most impressive thing that you could do in the game. ive never once felt that dying to that was OP and i was always impressed if i was headshot by that thing, and this is coming from someone who has like 20hrs of spy in the past like 8 years.

i never heard this sniper spy argument before valve actually did it and really i think its just a HL thing, but id much rather something be balanced for pubs rather than HL. hierachy should go 6s, then pubs and then lastly HL because everything else is just more valid of a gamemode

102 isnt even a lot of damage you could apply this same shitty argument to pipes fall off

HL is now the only space where spy exists in the class only because the concept of that gamemode is that you just have to play it. if you're playing spy in a pub, 100% every time you are better off playing/doing literally anythng else

they entirely fucked this whole class with the amby nerf

go invite and stream like yight did

thank u GabeN

the audio in that vid has destroyed my hearing also

he was mean to arrek and yomps too before they joined the team

whoevers recording that vid you got a shit hud

harsh to say these kinds of things about a former teammate

lol

er4xrs were my intro into this and i adore them but i think that what i have suffers from two main things

my customs need lots of maintenance and you cant just like put them in and take them out easily which makes gfoing to the toilet or eating super annoying nd also in this form factor, as far as im concerned the soundstage is never gonna match a headphone, at least on paper. never experienced anything like the 800s before

800s was like an er4xr as a speaker which was cool and tgats why im like its almost there but idk. perhaps the best mindset is to go can jam and see if the auteur/heddphone/focal clear(which is dirt cheap rn btw) / DT1990 do anything for me and f not stick with the HD800s cause im sure to be comfortable with it.

they're just by default better? the idea of the electrostatic thing sounded like super niche and intricate and this is my first headphone coming from IEMs. if they are actually just infinitely better than what i heard in the 800S then yeah im up for it

i dont have a dac/amp btw so this is apart of the 2k bduget too

so far all ive done research on in comparison to the HD800s is the arya and the heddphone, but both seem to have really shit flaws. haven't researched any of the stax stuff yet

the thing is when i tell people about my budget and what i want and what im looking for and my experience with audio, they just keep telling me to not buy this shit and go buy an HD600 which probably isnt gonna cut it above what i already have as far as IEMs and then they keep telling me some other bullshit.

and also, by better than the HD800s what i mean that it has the most comparable imaging and soundstage but is more detailed. even though the HD800s was detailed, i felt the bass wasn't detailed enough. idc about slam or anything like that, and i'm sure i could hear every detail in the music from the HD800s, but for the bass particularly i had to like listen for it.

but if at the end of this shit and i had to settle for HD800s because it fits my niche the best, i wouldn't necessarily be pissed im just searching for the ultimate shit

so what i mean is a presentation where its detailed extremely clear. if its gonna be this price range, then build is important to me too

edit: ok so im doing my research on them they do sound super interesting and they are gonna be something i demo, but the caveat to this one is that they are not really the same as other headphones at all, and so to start there, like i thought, would be a bad idea potentially. obviously if i think its the absolute best at the time, ill do it, but unfortunately i'm still leaning to the ........arya............. which i hate the idea of

bump: tried HD800s want something similar but fuller its 90% of what im looking for though in terms of soundstage and detail and now im ok with £2k budget HALP me. every time i ask on headphone forums they are not helpful!

Someone help me in mine too pls I’m still searching

Thought as much

dont think theres anything class specific about this u gotta just play with either and play with what u think u like better