There isn't going to be a maplist or a whitelist that makes everyone happy. What will our combination of maps and whitelist produce?

We don't know. Technically, since it hasn't been played, no one knows. We're trying something new, hope it will be fun, and may adapt from there.

This is what we're doing. We're doing a tournament with a different map selection and a different white list than people are used to doing, playing, seeing. If that sounds fun to you, please join us. If not, please continue to provide feedback and theory of what you think these two things will lead to, but at this point it is all just theory.

We're going to play some TF2, make some videos, have some fun. Anyone who wants to come along is welcome.

Considering the map selections, there is always a problem choosing maps for a very simple reason; everyone likes and dislikes different maps. It really is as simple as that. For all the reasons we should not include badlands there are another handful of reasons we should.

For the most part we tried to include in the map pool both maps you've seen played and maps which perhaps you haven't seen played in HL.

I agree with the comment on 5cps about mobility, in my opinion that only emphasizes the importance of team play in HL. A team that rolls out together wins together, and 5cp really stresses that aspect of gameplay.

Thanks for your feedback.

While you do make some interesting points, I don't see how the changes in format and play make it any more "turtle" than any other style of play. Our goal is to make TF2 more watchable in a time limited format. Turtles will happen in a twenty minute match and a sixty minute match, which would you rather watch?

Thanks for your input.

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