thanks for the feedback!

I'll make sure to update it when I got time!

Thanks again for all the feedback!

hoto_b13 updates includes:

- layout changes near initial spawn and last capture point right side exit, new exit looks like this: https://imgur.com/lnNtdsK (compared to the old exit that looks like this: https://imgur.com/o8Vmp3A)
- the right side exit is more snug to the capture point, this is how it looks from the spawn: https://imgur.com/PMScfP6
- the exit leads to a half-highground-platform https://imgur.com/Vez1y3g this is how it looks from bellow: https://imgur.com/1P7wRe2 (this is the fastest way to defend last)

- a new side room w hp/ammo has been added bellow the new exit, approachable as attacker and defender, https://imgur.com/aMw83eJ (should make it easier for spies and other mobile classes to sneak out from last)

- a new window looking down on the B-capturepoint https://imgur.com/EimktyW and https://imgur.com/hm2CEvu (should make it easier to see people on the capture point, and overall make the "drop" less frustrating)

- the "cellar"-drop is now initially closed https://imgur.com/MCJ0yh2 and stays closed until attackers captures B-point, then it opens https://imgur.com/ZWc3GPA once B-has been reclaimed it closes, (should make it easier to re-take B-point, should make it faster for soldier/demo to reach last) - this is experimental, not sure how common it is for maps to have dynamic elements that changes depending on progress, if people hate it I will keep the door closed

- reworked the upper "middle" route, the cave exit is now wider https://imgur.com/vE7P9Bl (220-260 units, compared to 194 units in previous version)

- the window at mid is been increased in size, now possible for mobile classes to jump through https://imgur.com/nKpxOGI

- added a small ramp up to the left side window near last https://imgur.com/NGDtPLJ (classes no more has to jump to exit the window)

Minor updates:

- clipping improvements around pillars and mid
- updated the skybox (still wip)
- significantly decreased the fog
- added a few ammo packs around the map

The new version can be downloaded here:
https://tf2maps.net/downloads/heart-of-the-oak.3270/download?version=11693

thanks! will fix the clipping bugs and consider all your feedback for the next update!

thanks!

hoto b12 is here, it includes a lot of changes to areas included in previous feedback, some of these changes will change the way the map is played, I'm especially interested to hear from anyone that has previously played the map if the changes have improved the quality of the map or reversed...also what class got hit, overall I'm hoping to humbly nerf sniper and buff medic, spy, heavy and engineer

major changes:

at last...
- a new ramp has been added to the defending sides high ground, the size of the platform has also increased including a big window looking down the short stair https://imgur.com/PNxtNaY (this should enable a few more engineer spots and improve flow for less mobile classes, in addition add flank for defending/attacking team)
- the flags at last has been raised to lesser any intrusion on gameplay
- improved clipping

at second...
- a new drop, jump-entrance to highground at B-capture point from the cellar https://imgur.com/EqZa1IA
seen from bellow https://imgur.com/g44lols (good for a spy, or defending capturepoint from attackers in cellar, also shortens the path for attackers at last when spawning at the most forward spawn, i.e. soldiers and demoman)
- improved clipping

at mid...
- sight lines has been heavily reduced at middle, a new wooden-excavation-styled room has been added at the middle exit to mid https://imgur.com/d9o1vyb seen from inside https://imgur.com/tW0rP83 (nerf snipers overlooking the capturepoint, provide a safe space before attacking mid)
- the ammo/med pickup has been removed from the platform
- a medium medpack has been placed ontop of the middle capturepoint
- new wooden doors block the sight lines from the balcony https://imgur.com/yFHWvK8
- the balcony room has been increased - both in size and height https://imgur.com/eZgDJ97 (hopefully improve flank plays)
- improved clipping

also opened up a few walls with windows or fallen bricks https://imgur.com/P4vUD8s allowing further view of the skybox,

img album here: https://imgur.com/a/uttVb

the original post has been updated with download link and short changelog

:D

thanks!
what do you think about changing the flag to something like this http://imgur.com/NwvUzxP ...tearing it up a little above the platform,

neutralizing the platform by adding a route like this http://imgur.com/OZ4E1Vc accessible for attacking soldiers, demo and scouts...but possible for all defending classes to escape (might be hard to see, but suggestion is to add a small-short stair that connects the wooden platform for attackers with the narrow single staircase)

regarding the roof in the dark area at second capture point, do you mean raising the roof or adding clip for the wooden beams? http://imgur.com/v9FbEG1 (I noticed that the wooden beams are not clipped correctly, which will cause a abrupt halt if you interact with them)

thanks for your feedback!

thanks! this issue was fixed in the new version!
here is a quick run through of all the other fixes included in the b11 update:

-new models and texture updates at the final capture point

-new models and some texture updates at the second capturepoint

-Cleaned up some of the noise at mid, also removed leafs on the lower parts of the ivys around the map (to easier see player shapes)

-added some new props and tweaked the light on the left side approaching second from mid, tried to make it look more like a sewer

-added some props to the cellar area near second, to make it look more like a...erm, cellar

-added some cages in the ceiling on right side approaching second from mid (just notices that you cant see them in the img, but they are there...)

these changes will hopefully make each area a little bit more unique and easy to remember, in addition I've added letter signs to each capture point in the hud (looks like this) - it's very experimental, I know its not "cp" standard, and if people hates it I'll remove it, my thoughts was to make it extra clear which point was which, and hopefully make it easier for new players, all feedback regarding this (and anything else) is greatly appreciated!

Full imgur album (contains a few more pictures)

in addition this update also contains:

-fixed a few clipping issues
-added/tweaked some props (not seen in the screenshots)
-fixed some displace issues/zfight
-added lod's to some models
-updated lighting

thanks for the support!

Since there is no Alliance I'm hoping for OG,
hopefully they have fixed the oculus controllers, really want to watch some games in VR, otherwise it will be vive,

yep, just did, the new version is beta 8, thanks for the heads up! :D

Thanks man! means a lot, water in source adds flavor, used it a lot in koth_dewm, and thought I'd continue on this map,

Just pushed a updated;

Beta 8 update:

- change captime to 3, 8 and 10 seconds
- removed respawn penalty/boost when team caps mid or second
- general optimization (you can read about it here: https://tf2maps.net/posts/420048/)
- updated a bunch of textures
- added some decals
- added a few props
- some movements and clip improvements
- removed unused cubemaps

Thanks!

I had a look at gullywash capture times, (perhaps I'm looking at a old version of the map in the editor - cp_gullywash_final1.vmf), but it looks like the capture points-entities has the following values in the "Time to cap"-property: last (1,9 seconds), 2nd (8 seconds) and middle (9,5 seconds) ...not not exactly sure how that correlates to the multiplier,

When I compared the time to cap in game I got the following results: mid captures (a smidgen) faster on gullywash, 2nd captures (slightly) slower on gullywash, last captures (significantly) faster on gullywash,

Side by side comparison between gullywash/hoto_b7 is: (1,8/4) (8/6) (9,5/10)

Like you are saying, mid and 2nd might need to have less difference in cap time to make it easier to back cap mid when defending 2nd, would be great to get some proper testing! --- note the "low" cap time on 2nd was decided on after watching defending team struggling to retake it, that might no long be the case, and/or needs more testing :)

Thanks for the heads up, I'll keep my ears and eyes open for this when playtesting!

I just updated this map to b7, I wanted to include as much of your feedback as possible,

This version contains:

- added a new path to mid from 2nd (above the underpass): https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/853846465551770515/0586580A06028339C83BEA4A3D23DE9005346B94/

- reworked the right side between mid and second (this was a underwhelming area, should now be more like how I envisioned it)
1. approaching it can make use of a full ramp: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/853846465551759364/238B6CE6B3129F3D0E0CF202D268D7EB1899AAEF/
2. the connecting corridor and the stair room has been merged together: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/853846465551761579/4CF146789DA42F67144260FE6C1DE1C16C16563D/
3. the door connecting the stair room and pillar room has been increased to 256 units in width, added a new wooden platform, hopefully making this entire area more fun and usable: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/853846465551763385/221E9CA3F6643B280FF4580AFA8D945912DEA46D/

- reworked the "underpass" room near last, increased the width/height of doors also:
1. turned old "crate"-jump into a ramp accessible by all classes, added small hp by locked door: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/853846465551765017/EDBFD3C681C226897CE9C5985AD82BA7AB145B1C/
2. increased the overall size of the room by removing some of the walls, also increased size of the exit to platform: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/853846465551765984/B66F1A729D815C9393CD2DB922BFDDE64F144EFE/

- increased height and width of most doors, (there are still a few 128 units doors, but most should now be at least 192 units high/wide, some are wider), here is a example: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/853846465551771949/517980388DE3643C582B3043AB2DADEA2816ADCD/

- removed the low ceiling approaching 2nd from left side: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/853846465551768811/C6E1DF60B63E82305E687806312A6874F3790861/

Additional updates:

- reworked some textures (toned down team colored walls around neutral areas)
- added some arrow signs to better highlight paths
- fixed a few unintentional sight lines
- improved clipping
- tweaked cap times (10, 6, 4 seconds)
- minor brush and prop detailing
- minor optimization at mid

On the workshop: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=962571666
Direct download link (TF2maps) : https://tf2maps.net/downloads/heart-of-the-oak.3270/download?version=9391

Thanks again for all your feedback! It's very useful!

Thanks!
This is some of the most detailed feedback I've gotten! It really helps!

Thanks for the feedback!

Just updated the map with a bunch of fixes, b6-version includes:

- added clips to doors and other odd places
- tweaked cap times
- added some props
- added some detail brushwork
- added some decals
- made spawndoors open faster
- added soundscapes
- added dustmotes

Direct download:
https://tf2maps.net/downloads/heart-of-the-oak.3270/download?version=9309

Steam workshop:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=962571666

Wow thanks for the response everyone! :D

Thanks for the feedback! Never tried this in 6v6 (only 12v12) at which it feels like defending/attacking team can easily steam roll the other team after a few good picks and just throw bodies at them to cap, one thing I observed from earlier versions was that last was too easy to hold - and ended up being almost impossible to take,
Perhaps limit the highground ramps to one (instead of two) sides for the attacker,

Awesome thanks for the feedback! will fix all those collision issues!
Regarding the demoman rollout, is it too easy to jump across the map?

Hello,
If you have a few minutes over I'd very much appreciate any type of feedback regarding my map cp_hoto_xx (Heart of the Oak) which saw its beginnings in the past 72h mapping event at tf2maps.com,
Layout wise its pretty simple with angles to benefit different play styles, I got roots in q1/2/3 and hldm, but am not familiar with competitive tf2 outside of public mym...any suggestions/feedback is very welcome!
ggs

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Current version, cp_hoto_b13
Direct download: https://tf2maps.net/downloads/heart-of-the-oak.3270/download?version=11693
Dev thread: https://tf2maps.net/downloads/heart-of-the-oak.3270/
On the workshop: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=962571666

Beta 13 update includes:

- updated layout near initial spawn and A capture point
- updated layout approaching B capture point
- changed cellar door to open/close once B is captured
- added a few ammo packs
- fixed a few clipping issues
- decreased fog
- updated skybox
- added a few ammo packs
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Thanks for your time!
ggs