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#28 NA Invite Top 100: #70-#61 in News
clckwrkfroyotech was built out of b4nny's failure to win the prior season, so certainly there are players you can say had as much say in froyo's victories as b4nny, whether that's me, habib, shade, blaze, lansky, even duwatna...the list goes on. This is also TF2, there's no buyout or contract stopping players from playing with their desired teammates. A lot of the time, the best players from underdog teams wind up either being on froyo, or back then mixup, not because b4nny is running a charity event, but because they give him the best chance of winning. So it's a bit unfair to judge players too harshly just because they were teammates with b4nny.

I agree as a whole, and as I've said to lots of people privately, I think too often people think the chain of causality post-mixup was everyone losing motivation -> froyo dominating, when in reality it's the other way around; froyo dominating is what LED to people losing motivation, and even if the mixup players had stuck around the balance of power was shifting pretty irrevocably. That being said, I still think it's fair to use the eye test and subjective opinion to order those froyo players/compare them against each other. For instance, duwatna generally played a more supportive role and, for my money, was probably the weakest player on i52 froyotech (not saying much because that lineup was insane but still). By contrast, habib has been, along with b4nny, THE most important player on froyo for seasons and seasons.

By that logic, I think you could see a pretty strong tier list emerging of (and this is not an exhaustive list, it's just for demonstration):

S-tier: b4nny (around for the whole shebang)
A-tier: the inner circle froyo members- clock, habib, blaze, yomps, shade, nursey, arekk, prolly lansky
B-tier: players who contributed for multiple seasons- cookiejake, duwatna, muma, paddie, freestate, skeez
C-tier: players who only briefly played for froyo- sigh, aim, botmode, TLR, mirrorman, dummy, dave__ac, corsa, ruwin, phorofor, ninjanick, decimate*

*a lot of these players will still be high up because of what they've done on other teams, just saying for froyo specifically

I think anyone in A-tier is pretty much required to be at least top 20 if not top 10 on the list given how dominant froyo has been, whereas people below that would have to have other accomplishments to reach that level.

Again, this is subjective; there are definitely people who might put duwatna higher than I do, or arekk lower, etc. I'm just showing a way you can look at this sort of thing logically; you start from the assumption that being on froyo at all is an insane achievement, and then work backwards from there based on longevity and just how central the player was to their success.

posted about 3 years ago
#18 NA Invite Top 100: #70-#61 in News
glassi think freestate is a bit low

but this list inevitably is running into the b4nny problem: everyone he plays with wins. how much credit do they get vs how much credit does he get

y'all keep saying championships matter the most, but if you go by that, like 10 of the first 12 players will be from froyotech. and you will complain about that too

this is why I think the eye test/peak performance/how hard players carried their teams should be a major factor

with that framework, freestate being a bit lower isn't crazy, but I'd also argue someone like campy or lolguy should be a lot higher

posted about 3 years ago
#16 NA Invite Top 100: #70-#61 in News
K1Irrespective of individual rankings, medics seem to be overrepresented in the bottom 50 imo. Hope I'm wrong tho and it turns out there are tons of great medics that just haven't appeared yet.

shade, nursey, harbleu if he counts, cozen, thefragile, pyyyour off the top of my head

there may be more too idk

posted about 3 years ago
#7 obligatory tftv buckbreak post in TF2 General Discussion

the only thing worse than this thread is that i kinda half got the reference

posted about 3 years ago
#1083 unpopular tf2 opinions in TF2 General Discussion
varnuamericans Obsessed with a shitpost? loooool

when the shitpost is 100x longer than any of its replies, the people replying are not the obsessed ones

posted about 3 years ago
#1069 unpopular tf2 opinions in TF2 General Discussion

also,

Doughy1. People think they can play medic better than medic mains. They can't even if the player is a meme like Condawg. I have never seen a non-medic main outperform a medic main even if they "know" how to play medic better. For some unknown reason, they are still worse!!! Even if the medic player is a bad player too!

too bad shade, cookiejake, permzilla, harbleu, and possibly other people on your list did not start as medic mains

posted about 3 years ago
#1068 unpopular tf2 opinions in TF2 General Discussion

I'm sorry but, out of game stuff aside, it's a ridiculous take to leave nursey off the list of 'good' medics even if you're limiting it to that small of a pool

raymon and nursey reached a higher peak relative to their era than any other medics I've ever seen

posted about 3 years ago
#23 NA Invite Top 100: #80-#71 in News
squidvhalin and oov are getting snubbed big time, i can tell already.

Vhalin was already on the list

posted about 3 years ago
#6 NA Invite Top 100: #80-#71 in News

I actually think of those, cookiejake is prolly the one who should be higher imo

posted about 3 years ago
#26 NA Invite Top 100: #90-#81 in News
clckwrka worldwide version would be really cool, decided by a panel of people from each region. wish we had more intl tournaments that everyone could've competed in so we could judge more carefully, but I think a "TF2 community" Top 100 and not just an individual project (not to diminish this at all, it's really cool) would be awesome for TF2 content

it's interesting because, even with the loss of the mixup guys and whatnot, NA still has a larger proportion of its best ever players playing atm, whereas EU and AU have lost a lot of them. I think THEIR boomer v zoomer debates would be even more spicy tbh

posted about 3 years ago
#39 NA Invite Top 100: #100-#91 in News
brodyJojoalfa/mustardbeefCan someone explain this to me? Mustard didn't say anything negative about alfa's skill and still got attacked as if he had?cmon now youve been here since 2013

sounds like, in expecting me to hold a grudge against alfa, you have played yourself...

since the newer part dropped I might as well give my honest opinion: I would rank mr dracula in the 31-40 range if it were my list, but I wouldn't be super miffed if he were in the 21-30 range or the 41-50 range

posted about 3 years ago
#10 NA Invite Top 100: #90-#81 in News

I always thought tagg was pretty overrated so I don't mind him here, but again, not a big fan of stat accumulators > people who were absolutely tops at their class

in this case I personally think campy should be top 50, he was a monster

posted about 3 years ago
#8554 Frag Clips Thread in Videos
enrithhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS-ZoZI6VOk

absolute annihilation

posted about 3 years ago
#6 help finding esea match in TF2 General Discussion

girl gamer too @_@

posted about 3 years ago
#28 NA Invite Top 100: #100-#91 in News

who said I was saying it in jest? please point into this thread where I said anything about where I would rank alfa...

just shows how fast FAKE NEWS can spread

posted about 3 years ago
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