plusProtonScandinavia is still very capitalist lol, they just have a functioning safety net
(Tip: social democracy /=/ socialism)
Also
Please dont take my hats man
Not to derail this thread too much but it depends on how you look at it (as well as which country in Scandinavia you are talking about)
It is simultaneously true that Americans overestimate what counts as “socialism”, but also underestimate facets of the Nordic countries that go beyond a mere welfare state
See: http://mattbruenig.com/2017/07/28/nordic-socialism-is-realer-than-you-think/ for a good read on the topic
Besides, in a strictly Marxist sense (although the term obviously predates Marx) socialism is only supposed to be a transitional form of government (one that no modern society has fully moved past) so it makes sense that it’s hard to establish an agreed upon definition, with some dwelling on any government nationalization and others holding out for true collective control of the economy
Anyways back to the hat game