You will probably get kicked out of the hotel if you have people sleep on the floor...

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There are nuances to what can be allowed and what shouldn't be allowed depending on the social consequences of the mechanism they are using to advertise to children. For example, card collections marketed towards kids are less likely to cause social and mental problems than crate openings. The reason why crate openings are especially sinister is because they work on the same principle as slot machines. They are specifically designed to provide instant strong postive stimuli whenever the player wins, which reinforces the behaviour of spending more money to keep winning and getting the positive stimuli, regardless of the long term results. This is especially problematic when it's kids that are playing because they are generally more receptive to stimuli, they are less likely to understand the long term consequences of gambling (losing money, addiction etc.), they are less likely to understand the mechanisms of gambling (odds, investment and return, etc.), and consequently they are less likely to be responsible gamblers. Valve definitely crossed the line of what's accetable, even if other companies are resposible for questionable advertising as well. Gambling addiction is not a fun problem to deal with.

It doesn't matter whether crate opening is legally defined as gambling or not. It encompasses the same social and mental health problems as conventional gambling does. The only difference is that Valve's business strategy around crates is unresponsible, unethical and shady, just not illegal. You might only be interested in the legal standpoint and that's fine, but you can't ignore that there are other aspects of this problem present in the debate.

So then we are in agreement. There just isn't a good term for crate opening with the intention of making a profit.

I'm not arguing the legal definition of gambling, because crate opening is not a form of gambling that has been regulated, which is why Valve lets kids gamble. I'm using this definition of gambling:

Which in my opinion crate opening clearly is. If you cut out the intermediary, you are basically paying a few dollars for a game of chance were you can turn your inital investment into profit. In a conventional casino it is regulated so you need to be an adult to gamble. In CSGO, you pay $2.50 for a key, which you can use to open one crate, and the output is an item, which has a monetary value that can be above or under the value of your initial investment. This is their intermediary system to get around the regulation.

Obviously not all forms of crate opening is gambling, because people don't necessarily open crates to make a profit, they may as well just enjoy getting the items and using them in-game. But there are people who buys a ton of keys and use them to try to get a knife so they can sell it for a profit. Some of these people are unfortunately kids and the addiction potential with kids is much higher than it is in adults. A gambling addiction is not a fun thing to deal with, which is why Valve has a responsibility of not letting kids gamble.

Stop with the Valve fanboyism please. The crate opening system, especially in CSGO is as much gambling as using tokens in casino is gambling. Just because you are not directly using money and instead using an intermediary system (skins/casino tokens) does not change that crate opening is by definition gambling.

Using keys, which have monetary value, to open crates, whose content also has monetary value, with a small chance of turning the initial investment to profit, is per definition, gambling. The crates work pretty much exactly as slot machines do, and this way of gambling poses the same threath to children's mental health as conventional gambling does.

I'm not even saying that gambling is inherently bad or anything, in fact gambling is fun to do and should be allowed for adults, but Valve is definitely promoting gambling to their audience with their crate opening system, and this audience has a lot of kids in it. It's pretty much a legal loophole which allows kids to gamble because Valve claims that skins do not have an inherent value, even though this statement is blatantly wrong.

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