time to revive this thread
MisterDannyI feel like what Little Nyar said was definitely out of order and shouldn't go unpunished but 5 years? Kid could still be young and made only one stupid comment, if he feels sorry about it I dont see a reason to keep him out of the league for 5 times longer than a cheater.
In cases like these you should be able to redeem yourself somehow and be put onto like a "trial" period where admins pay special attention to you and just ban you for life if you continue shitty conduct like this.
nyar indirectly claims to be an adult.
zxpWhat's screenshot abuse
i'm the author of the screenshot that's being passed around, but rest assured that before nyar was banned an etf2l admin asked me for an invite to the discord this happened in to ensure no screenshot manipulation happened.
fwiw I didn't even have to report her, I posted the screenshot on her recruitment post, admins took interest on their own lmao
HrblsAs far as I'm aware the only previous 5-year ban was for Clootie who was caught DDOSing/attempting to DDOS an ETF2L player; when confronted Clootie showed no remorse and in the face of insurmountable evidence denied the allegations (I seem to recall he was resolved to do it again). The 5-year ban effectively made an example out of him, back when multiple players/games were being targetted by DDOS attacks, DDOSing would ABSOLUTELY not be tolerated.
I hope that this ban will have been internally discussed and debated, with admins taking into account their own emotional bias. Ban lengths are complicated; there is no equation for working out how long a player should be banned, and the court of public opinion is always going to debate the length. I have always been a champion for the admins, it is a continually thankless role and it is easy to forget that these volunteers are human too, making what they believe to be the best decisions with the resources they have; they can act emotionally and are justified to be upset by the crass words of an immature player. The loss of a friend is an incredibly difficult thing to process, I hope everyone is giving themselves the time they need to mourn.
I don't think anyone will/should/can defend the words of Little Nyar, I do however believe that people can mature and learn from their mistakes and a 5-year ban does not leave any room to do that, as others have said it is effectively permanent forced extradition from our community. Perhaps Little Nyar can reflect on their actions, write an apology to the community and then the ETF2L admins can review what appears to be a very harsh punishment. Regardless and if the ban stands, it will be good for Little Nyar to internally reflect and understand that although we are an online community we are a part of the real world and therefore subject to the consequences of our actions.
just like you described with clootie, when confronted by me and gibz, nyar showed absolutely zero remorse (as usual but that's besides the point), and the """apology""" posted in this thread does not feel in character, so I personally agree with the ban's length, but might be biased
LittleNyarI want to apologize for what I wrote. I am still very young and I don't think I fully understood how close people were to someone online and I didn't think through what I said. After processing things I understand that this wasn't "just a joke" and I am really sorry for the hurt I caused. I really have no excuse, though upon reflecting on my behavior I now realize I was not entirely understanding what I was saying and I was lashing out because of problems in life and being unsure whether I would have a place to live.
I am not sure if you knew this when you made your decision but the comment I made was on a very small discord server. Immediately after making the comment I was banned (understandably) and I had no chance to remove it or apologise for what I said. After this the comment what I wrote was then spread around and I had to deal with people who used to harassed me (which tbh happens regularly as an underaged girl on TF2). It was placed on my recruitment post. People I didn't know added me threatening to show it to the ETF2L admins. I had no way to take back what I said while also dealing with people who wanted to upset me or take advantage of my inexperience. At the time I chose not to do anything as I didn't know what the right thing to do was.
I understand that he was your friend and I am sorry that for upsetting you with what I wrote but I hope you understand they were private messages that I regret and reconsider the length of time I am banned for.
I am sorry for any hurt I caused,
Little Nyar
poor poor "underaged girl" that also claims to be in a relationship with "an older man" while also simultaneously egirling to high profile players and also throwing her team's matches by purposefully localmuting combo players and dropping them during ubers
it's unreal how much you victimize yourself with absolutely zero awareness of how much of it is your own fault.. that, or you have full awareness of it and are seeking empathy that you really don't deserve.