erynnLupusPlease for god sake get new servers for pugchamp eu, its unplayable and sometimes they lag out for more than 10 seconds.
Which ones are having issues
#2 is the worst, maybe some others as well.
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erynnLupusPlease for god sake get new servers for pugchamp eu, its unplayable and sometimes they lag out for more than 10 seconds.
Which ones are having issues
#2 is the worst, maybe some others as well.
Usually all first person frags are recorded from POV demos unless they're unavailable. It's just some of the HUD elements being removed just for recording.
Max_shorasYou realize ESEA's whitelist hasn't been looked at or changed for a while? A good amount of weapons were banned because they came out mid season not because they were deemed broken or OP such as the Iron bomberCorsaKeep in mind that a balanced weapon should reward skill, not dumb mechanics or bad play.Just like the Cozy Camper that every single NA Sniper was abusing to death.
Maybe you could leave Machina alone and tell me about all other unlocks that are banned for having a dumb mechanic that doesn't reward skill? Like Hitman's Hitmaker maybe? Or Widowmaker? Iron Bomber? Tomislav?
All those unlocks are quite old (except Iron Bomber perhaps).
CorsaKeep in mind that a balanced weapon should reward skill, not dumb mechanics or bad play.
Just like the Cozy Camper that every single NA Sniper was abusing to death.
Maybe you could leave Machina alone and tell me about all other unlocks that are banned for having a dumb mechanic that doesn't reward skill? Like Hitman's Hitmaker maybe? Or Widowmaker? Iron Bomber? Tomislav?
Didn't mean to doublepost instead of editing.
CorsaYou mention that you rarely see it being used, and you're probably right, even though in about 10/10 of the times I've opened an etf2l stream, if they ran sniper, they were using the machina.
Dennia runs Machina consistently, I've seen Thalash switch to it a couple of times. But most other EU snipers (not talking about HL btw) like Stark or iZon almost never switch from stock (from what I've seen on streams). Perhaps those 10 times you've opened an etf2l stream you saw Dennia playing?
CorsaAlso, you said you've rarely seen collats in high level tf2. That's true, but it definitely occurs more often than you're suggesting, as I've seen like 5-10 in the past month in just frag videos of prem players.
I wouldn't mind some links 'cause the only one I remember was Dennia's at DHW '15.
CorsaSome points you're missing:
-More often than not, a scout doesn't have 174-185. If you see a scout that doesn't have the beam on him, the likelihood of him being <174 is extraordinarily high. Even when a scout just got a buff, medics a lot of times only give you a tap, maybe reaching ~170.
-A demo's health is in the range of 150-173 WAY more often than you think.
I totally see your point here, but it still doesn't make it worth banning this weapon imo.
Corsaif something is not fun to play against because of some weird mechanic, it needs a rebalance
Ok that is just dumb. Maybe you aren't just having fun in tf2 at all?
micspamhttp://whitelist.tf/6114
After reading this thread it seems like nobody would have any major problems with this. Thoughts?
Panic Attack, BFB, Pocket Pistol, Cow Mangler, Candy Cane, Holiday Punch, Cleaner's Carbine and Hitman's Hitmaker are bad and not worth being banned. There's also nothing wrong with Iron Bomber and Tomislav. Unbanning Milk, Jarate and Sandman is kinda questionable.
CorsaNot being able to no-scope is hardly a downside. You can just click m2 and m1 right after each other and it's just about the same effect as a no-scope. The only true downside is the tracer when you want to stay hidden; you usually get 1-2 fewer shots from a weird angle with the machina. On top of that, any weapon that rewards lesser skill (bodyshots) should be rebalanced.
It merely rewards the snipers who can't aim more than it rewards good snipers (but it still favors everyone).
No scope can really save you when retreating, +23 bodyshot damage on a full charge isn't that big of a deal (you still can't oneshot full hp Demo/Pyro or a fully buffed Scout), collat kills happen very rarely(I recall only one that happened on high level of TF2). You ever played with/against a Machina Sniper in 6s?
I'll repeat my question: if it's actually so unbalanced, why isn't it being abused by EU players (where it's allowed) just like it was with NA and Cozy Camper?
Also no one uses Cow Mangler because of a significantly longer first reload. You all call stuff unbalanced, but it doesn't look like you actually played with it.
Max_shorasBecause it's literally an upgrade with no downside in 6's or HighlanderSpaceGhostsCoffeeWhy on earth do the euros allow the machina, not only in 6's, but also in HL? Blows my mindWhy on earth not?
People are underestimating the power of noscopes. Also if it's an "upgrade with no downsides", why so few EU snipers actually use it?
SpaceGhostsCoffeeWhy on earth do the euros allow the machina, not only in 6's, but also in HL? Blows my mind
Why on earth not?
I haven't seen anyone running Backup in prem except Josh this season. Assuming it was allowed for quite a long time, maybe it's not that OP? Conch was used much more often for example.
Well it's not broken anymore so I don't see the issue.
Also nothing stops you from using a banner during a stalemate when you see your enemy doing it...
Super-okay vaccinator blocks 1 form of damage on 2 people(yourself and ur target) so u can still kill a vaccinator quite easily battalions can give everyone on ur team a 35% damage reduction against all damage types that shit is gay
BB takes just 600 damage to build, literally nothing right? I can't really understand why you're all complaining about it. How often have you played against it or are least seen it being used?
kawaBattalions backup was actually fucking broken and you definitely don't want to play against it
If we're banning what we don't like playing against, can we ban Scout? There's nothing wrong with any of the banners right now.
Super-o yes i love the battalions backup i love when rockets do a max of 75 damage its my favorite
Yeah... Ever played against a Vaccinator?
Imo there're a lot of weapons excluded from ESEA whitelist that aren't worth being banned at all (most of them are just bad or gimmickly so they won't cause any issues). On the other hand, Cozy Camper was allowed even before it's nerf despite being OP (completely countering one of the ways of dealing with enemy sniper). Might not be worth banning anymore, not sure.
bearodactylfuck the tomislav that shit is a lightning gun now that it's more accurate
That's been over a year btw.