https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRsu3rfaMLMUaxxMZ6j7nX6xV0Wez6wRo

may as well post my dnb playlist, got some stuff mostly from games, and some jungle in there as well.

Fair enough. As far as I know your team wanted to go div 2, but that brings me on to another question.
As I said before and as you know, the game we played went to golden cap. Your team had won overall, but it was a very close match. Your leader then went on to claim on the overskilled rule - i'm not here to complain or rant at your team leader for doing so.

Why would your team leader still be able to claim on the overskilled rule? I know that we broke the rule, and that's what your leader claimed on, but surely the fact that the game we played went into golden cap and the fact that we lost overrules it? Since the game was so balanced it literally went to the last round means that our overexperienced players didn't matter, at least thats how I feel. Ultimately at this point it doesn't matter. The admins have made their decision, but I still don't like how provisonals were handled for this season.

I completely agree. I would want the rule to be expanded on to at least give more clarity on provisional tiers and experience in divisions. Ideally i would also want them to take into account classes played in season- Like MisterDanny said

but I do understand that it's a grey area most of the time, some class experience transfers into other classes better than others.

allegedly, if you had played in that mid season in the past 3 season, and played 3+ games in mid, then you count as a mid player. I do agree that results should be taken into account, as well as classes played in season.

Alright, so let me get this out of the way at the very start - This post is not attack on specific ETF2L admins, nor is it an attack on the teams mentioned in this post. I just wish to explain my frustrations in how tournament provisional tiers are handled, or rather to give a specific example of an experience that has happened to me recently that I feel should not have happened at all in the league.

Ok, with that out of the way let me start.
The team I am playing on for this season is a mid division team - We have had roster changes just after provisional tiers were released in which we changed out 2 members of our flank. We changed out the soldier and the engineer, both of which have mid+ experience on different classes, most notably our soldier technically counting as prem as he had played 3+ matches in that division albeit on a different class.

In regards to the skill contribution rule, we went over the point limit and broke it. This isn't a pity party post in which I complain we were wronged as a team whilst simultaneously ignoring the fact that as a team we did break the rule. I accept that we did break it, however I am still dissatisfied about the circumstances of this rule break in regards to the other team we were facing that claimed the rule break.

Fast forward to our second match of the season. We are up against Complete Guesswork on badwater. The match is close but ultimately ends in a golden cap loss for our team. Our leader submits the results and we move on. A week later, our leader checks the match page and informs us we have a default loss against the team we previously faced.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/285221673882615808/701407509239562290/unknown.png

Like I said before - We broke the rules. This post is in no way trying to deny that. However I take issue with two main points in regards to the circumstances that this rule break was given to us.

1. Provisional tiers. This should mean putting a team in the divisions most suited to them to ensure a healthy competitive base for the season. Our team had requested to go mid and had no issue with being put in there.
On the other hand, Complete Guesswork (just going to shorten it down to COGU for all our sakes) had previously played division 2 (for those not familiar with ETF2L division 2 is a div above mid) and placed 5th overall in the season, demoting them down to mid. However, what confuses me is that, whilst they were demoted, the team itself still technically broke the Skill Contribution heavily - having 4 players with mid+ experience. Of course, several members of our team made admin requests to question why COGU also wasn't penalized for this rule break, especially since they had won albeit in a golden cap. Below is a response from one of the admins (who will remain anonymous)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/285221673882615808/701411094094282832/unknown.png

As you can see, the only reason why COGU wasn't penalized for this rule break as well was because the players that broke said rule were rostered before provisonal tiers were annouced. Now, tell me - shouldn't a team that technically heavily breaks the Skill Contribution rule of the division they were ultimately put in, be put in a higher division despite being demoted? What makes this more questionable is the fact that COGU's main roster had stayed exactly the same from when they had played division 2, surely if they had been demoted to mid and been made to stay there, they should've been forced to do a roster change OR been penalized for the same rule we were? Why were they able to claim a default win on the basis of being against an overskilled team despite having played and having the roster for a division 2 season?

2. The second issue I have with the circumstances of this rule break is the fact that it had happened on our second played match as opposed to our first - COGU's leader had informed the admins of this. Again, we asked why we didn't get a warning on the first match, to which we were told that the system was down on the week of the first match we played. However, it has been two weeks since the first match - No admins had contacted us or informed us that we had technically broke the rules in that period of time. We had played with the same roster on our first match, so I feel we should've had a right to know that we were breaking rules in the period between matches and yet no attempt was made to inform us. None of our team members have private profiles, so we could have easily been added and informed by one of the admins in the 2 week period between matches, ensuring that we could've made a roster change in time for the second match.

Thats the end of my spiel for now.
Thank you for reading this wall of text.