Entirely the wrong attitude to take.

No matter who got the contract, you should watch the stream to help TF2's total viewer numbers.
Stick it on 240p and mute it if you want, but keep it running.

Also, keep this drama to Steam & IRC next time thnx.

So long as djc and Lange and those guys are casting I'll be watching all day and night, like last year.

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Did vtv just undercut tf.tv or did tf.tv, who appear to have the talent from previous productions, epically fuck up their pitch? The time to speculate is now.

Can't be too hard to make Multiplay change their minds can it? I mean TFTV are basically everything that VTV was last time around, it's just a matter of making Multiplay aware of that I presume.

And Arx don't pretend like cooperation between TFTV and VTV hasn't been out of the picture since way back.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8aztviad1hptw8j/application.docx

Kharne told us straight up the reason they chose VTV is because of their previous track record for LAN coverage.

Thats the thing, we did. For a year and a half we put aside our differences and tried to be as constructive as possible. The bottom line is that when you're working for free, not being given the respect you'd expect, and the distribution of credit is very top heavy, there's only so long you can put up with it. TF2TV and Byte's up and coming casting org both folded to create VTV together. What has happened over the last 6 months is proof that being completely altruistic doesn't work in the long run.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL38C637BE4F7F68C8

great job of organising and filming and editing and starring in all this coverage from i43 and i45 those 2 lans that you did everything single handed at Skyride.

nobhead

on topic, VTV and TFTV should manup and join forces and get over any personal issues that people may have with each other.

Sorry I was referring to i46 and i49. I did give you and cube all the credit for that in the proposal.

so you were refering to the last lan, and a lan that hasn't happened yet :) sure doesn't look that way.

On the upside I imagine Extine is pretty amused by this.

please kiss and make up

Obviously I can only predict what the true motivation for Multiplay's decision to go with VTV for i49 coverage was, but after reading that document I can see why it would certainly leave an impression - albeit not a good one. The way it's written is clearly based around a personal vendetta more than it is trying to sell the reasons why you should be the organisation to provide the LAN coverage, and as a result comes across as unprofessional and shallow.

At the very least, if someone from Multiplay would read that proposal and decide to do a little background check on VTV/teamfortress.tv, what would they find? An array of mud slinging over multiple competitive TF2 websites and forums. I think the fact that you are so outspoken regarding your dissatisfaction towards VTV has actually been detrimental towards a successful pitch.

You're right on that point. I apologise.

Holyshitwtfisgoingoninhere.
Are you telling me half of the tf.tv crew is not going to lan because.... wait, why even? Because you do not get money form multiplay? I thought most of the costly preps have been done already? Why don't you just all go there anyway? If I was going, I would just take my EOS, a decent mic, a labtop and have a mobile streaming platform and dun. That should be enough to interview drunk tf2 players sitting on stairs. I can see people being pissed off about this whole "who gets the official production" garbage, but how could that be a reason not to go to the event at all?

all i can say is vtv is really shit at utilizing social media

I made reddit threads in all the appropriate subreddits and told various affiliated with the vtv organization "tell viewers to le upboat these". the only time they did was when some retard on day one was eating pizza on stream for 3 hours and I think it ended up having more viewers than the finals.

what up gamerzz, can't wait to see greavertv @ i49

#78 They aren't going because their purpose for doing so was to help with production. Since VTV will have that handled, Lange in particular would probably not have anything to do. So he's decided against going, it seems.

What about playing tf2, talking to people, drinking beer and having loads of fun?

Reads to me like a pretty standard sales pitch. They saw an opening to take business from a competitor and they wrote a proposal explaining why they can do better. It's a shame that VTV and TFTV are competitors, because they really don't have anything to gain by being such, but differing personalities at the top will do that to ya, I guess.

The mud-slinging on the forums does seem really petty though.

#82 I can do that in Houston for far less money, and I think Lange is in a similar situation. It's a lot more exciting to go to i49 for broadcast purposes than for the basic LAN package.

Whats does tftv has that vtv doesnt? Just curious..

A++ thread, would read again.

I'd just like to add that I carried Vanilla coverage on my back at i46... or was I carried out on my back?

P.S. I will pay $300 to see Lange at i49.

You kissed a girl and you liked it!
Except one of those words is incorrect ;oo

no problem, I have a lot of respect for all the hard work you put into those events.

So how can we remedy this?

VTF.TV?? :P

Russian, why don't you solve all of this and have Blackout TV crush both tf.tv AND vtv with BBC Olympics quality coverage of TF2 :)

It won't be resolved here but I also want Lange to go. Cbear too. So if they aren't totally turned off by this whole thread, I hope Byte and the VTV staff will have a chat with Lange at least.

I dont see the issue in having both logos, and stream it on both channels.

TFTV's coverage has been good when it comes to ESEA and american leagues, but I am dissapointed in their EU coverage. Are you really trying to tell me I should rather be watching Chaplain and Hildreth cast a game than Arx and Beta? Now in the end it comes down to who you like to listen to. But to be blunt i could only expect Arx and Beta to draw the larger crowd between those two duos.

Now. If only the EU coverage was as good as their NA coverage things would change. But the impression I have got is that thats not the case as of the content that is out.

I really dont understand why there is a quarrel between TFTV and VTV. This is neither of yours event. This is multiplays event. Look it from their perspective. In a business perspective I would much rather outsource it to an organisation i have worked with before and has done a good job previously. Therefore VTV. And that is what they did.

Now if TFTV wants to do some content for this lan (Which they should be eager to do) then they have to cooperate with VTV, on VTV's premises. Multiplay outsourced it to VTV, and therefore its VTV's responsible.

I have no idea what happens internally between the two organizations, but calm your tits down and try to sort it out. Trashing eachother on public forums is like the least professional way of doing stuff. (And you are professional arent you?)

Professionalism is overrated.

skyride started it e-dad