joshuawnhello everyone i will help settle this epic debate
conflate is best understood in modern day use as a portmanteau of confuse & inflate (a definition or a concept). "inadvertent" mixing of concepts tends to be followed in its modern definition.
the etymology points to it as just a mix of concepts, not necessarily one that is confused: https://archives.cjr.org/language_corner/language_corner_020915.php
sometimes language usage just develops ironically like that lol, usually from a need to express a complex sentiment in a way that wasn't previously prolific. sometimes it's just the works of a really popular writer that bring an ironic nuance to a previously neutral word. shakespeare did this with many words. euphemisms, as a concept, are another great example of this.
i hope that helps
sincerely
forum poster
dolphin rider!!!!!
[quote=joshuawn]hello everyone i will help settle this epic debate
conflate is best understood in modern day use as a portmanteau of confuse & inflate (a definition or a concept). "inadvertent" mixing of concepts tends to be followed in its modern definition.
the etymology points to it as just a mix of concepts, not necessarily one that is confused: https://archives.cjr.org/language_corner/language_corner_020915.php
sometimes language usage just develops ironically like that lol, usually from a need to express a complex sentiment in a way that wasn't previously prolific. sometimes it's just the works of a really popular writer that bring an ironic nuance to a previously neutral word. shakespeare did this with many words. euphemisms, as a concept, are another great example of this.
i hope that helps
sincerely
forum poster[/quote]
dolphin rider!!!!!
how are these threads real
how are these threads real
Can't Lie, This Thread Made me Very Anhappy.
Can't Lie, This Thread Made me Very Anhappy.
i love how the counterargument to 'conflate already carries a negative connotation' was for AimIsADick, PhD, to say 'well, what if someone used it in the other sense of the word, to mix! then i would HAVE to specify' as if citing the fact that there are in fact Two Senses of a word means you have to bastardize the word with some awful prefix instead of just writing like a normal human and letting the reader decide which you mean based on a thing called Context
hello it is me, highschool philosopher mcgee, i shall resolve Every Single Possible Ambiguity in my War Against Context
i studied philosophy and am in grad school doing research in natural language processing but i hope my pedigree wont mis-disqualify me from discussion with sir AimIsADick (please do keep replying though i cant wait to make a chatbot version of u trained on your awful posts)
i love how the counterargument to 'conflate already carries a negative connotation' was for AimIsADick, PhD, to say 'well, what if someone used it in the other sense of the word, to mix! then i would HAVE to specify' as if citing the fact that there are in fact Two Senses of a word means you have to bastardize the word with some awful prefix instead of just writing like a normal human and letting the reader decide which you mean based on a thing called Context
hello it is me, highschool philosopher mcgee, i shall resolve Every Single Possible Ambiguity in my War Against Context
i studied philosophy and am in grad school doing research in natural language processing but i hope my pedigree wont mis-disqualify me from discussion with sir AimIsADick (please do keep replying though i cant wait to make a chatbot version of u trained on your awful posts)
Hmm, you claim that my inconsistency is a negative trait, but you seem to have misconflated "winning" with my true objective in this videogame *goes for four upward directs*... a grave error on your part I'm afraid.
Hmm, you claim that my inconsistency is a negative trait, but you seem to have misconflated "winning" with my true objective in this videogame *goes for four upward directs*... a grave error on your part I'm afraid.
bearodactyli love how the counterargument to 'conflate already carries a negative connotation' was for AimIsADick, PhD, to say 'well, what if someone used it in the other sense of the word, to mix! then i would HAVE to specify' as if citing the fact that there are in fact Two Senses of a word means you have to bastardize the word with some awful prefix instead of just writing like a normal human and letting the reader decide which you mean based on a thing called Context
hello it is me, highschool philosopher mcgee, i shall resolve Every Single Possible Ambiguity in my War Against Context
i studied philosophy and am in grad school doing research in natural language processing but i hope my pedigree wont mis-disqualify me from discussion with sir AimIsADick (please do keep replying though i cant wait to make a chatbot version of u trained on your awful posts)
sorry bear, we're looking for an unnatural language processor. we'll call you if we have an opening.
flatlinejoshuawnhello everyone i will help settle this epic debate
conflate is best understood in modern day use as a portmanteau of confuse & inflate (a definition or a concept). "inadvertent" mixing of concepts tends to be followed in its modern definition.
the etymology points to it as just a mix of concepts, not necessarily one that is confused: https://archives.cjr.org/language_corner/language_corner_020915.php
sometimes language usage just develops ironically like that lol, usually from a need to express a complex sentiment in a way that wasn't previously prolific. sometimes it's just the works of a really popular writer that bring an ironic nuance to a previously neutral word. shakespeare did this with many words. euphemisms, as a concept, are another great example of this.
i hope that helps
sincerely
forum poster
dolphin rider!!!!!
hey flatline, hope you've been doing well :)
[quote=bearodactyl]i love how the counterargument to 'conflate already carries a negative connotation' was for AimIsADick, PhD, to say 'well, what if someone used it in the other sense of the word, to mix! then i would HAVE to specify' as if citing the fact that there are in fact Two Senses of a word means you have to bastardize the word with some awful prefix instead of just writing like a normal human and letting the reader decide which you mean based on a thing called Context
hello it is me, highschool philosopher mcgee, i shall resolve Every Single Possible Ambiguity in my War Against Context
i studied philosophy and am in grad school doing research in natural language processing but i hope my pedigree wont mis-disqualify me from discussion with sir AimIsADick (please do keep replying though i cant wait to make a chatbot version of u trained on your awful posts)[/quote]
sorry bear, we're looking for an unnatural language processor. we'll call you if we have an opening.
[quote=flatline][quote=joshuawn]hello everyone i will help settle this epic debate
conflate is best understood in modern day use as a portmanteau of confuse & inflate (a definition or a concept). "inadvertent" mixing of concepts tends to be followed in its modern definition.
the etymology points to it as just a mix of concepts, not necessarily one that is confused: https://archives.cjr.org/language_corner/language_corner_020915.php
sometimes language usage just develops ironically like that lol, usually from a need to express a complex sentiment in a way that wasn't previously prolific. sometimes it's just the works of a really popular writer that bring an ironic nuance to a previously neutral word. shakespeare did this with many words. euphemisms, as a concept, are another great example of this.
i hope that helps
sincerely
forum poster[/quote]
dolphin rider!!!!![/quote]
hey flatline, hope you've been doing well :)
[quote=AimIsADick]bro[/quote]
get a job
AimIsADickflyingbuddySorry I feel the need to say…’misconflated’ isn’t a word..
mis- is a prefix that means wrongly or badly, so yes it is a (compound) word.MegalodonConsistency is a good thing - Keeping you consistently banned, that is.
lithiumWhy is this guy not perma’d yet
:0
https://www.dictionary.com/misspelling?term=misconflated#
https://gyazo.com/c51425664454d27bbc864d54af8d5a16
Not a word
[quote=AimIsADick][quote=flyingbuddy]Sorry I feel the need to say…’misconflated’ isn’t a word..[/quote]
[url=https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/MIS]mis- is a prefix that means wrongly or badly[/url], so yes it is a (compound) word.
[quote=Megalodon]Consistency is a good thing - Keeping you consistently banned, that is.[/quote]
[quote=lithium]Why is this guy not perma’d yet[/quote]
:0[/quote]
https://www.dictionary.com/misspelling?term=misconflated#
https://gyazo.com/c51425664454d27bbc864d54af8d5a16
Not a word
joshuawnflatlinejoshuawnhello everyone i will help settle this epic debate
conflate is best understood in modern day use as a portmanteau of confuse & inflate (a definition or a concept). "inadvertent" mixing of concepts tends to be followed in its modern definition.
the etymology points to it as just a mix of concepts, not necessarily one that is confused: https://archives.cjr.org/language_corner/language_corner_020915.php
sometimes language usage just develops ironically like that lol, usually from a need to express a complex sentiment in a way that wasn't previously prolific. sometimes it's just the works of a really popular writer that bring an ironic nuance to a previously neutral word. shakespeare did this with many words. euphemisms, as a concept, are another great example of this.
i hope that helps
sincerely
forum poster
dolphin rider!!!!!
hey flatline, hope you've been doing well :)
still posting in this thread so i cant be doing too well...
[quote=joshuawn][quote=flatline][quote=joshuawn]hello everyone i will help settle this epic debate
conflate is best understood in modern day use as a portmanteau of confuse & inflate (a definition or a concept). "inadvertent" mixing of concepts tends to be followed in its modern definition.
the etymology points to it as just a mix of concepts, not necessarily one that is confused: https://archives.cjr.org/language_corner/language_corner_020915.php
sometimes language usage just develops ironically like that lol, usually from a need to express a complex sentiment in a way that wasn't previously prolific. sometimes it's just the works of a really popular writer that bring an ironic nuance to a previously neutral word. shakespeare did this with many words. euphemisms, as a concept, are another great example of this.
i hope that helps
sincerely
forum poster[/quote]
dolphin rider!!!!![/quote]
hey flatline, hope you've been doing well :)[/quote]
still posting in this thread so i cant be doing too well...
nah max the dictionary has no bearing on AimIsADick he behaves by his own rules
honestly surprised he hasnt started spewing prescriptivist grammar bs about how in fact he is right and the rest of the world and the way language is actually used is wrong
nah max the dictionary has no bearing on AimIsADick he behaves by his own rules
honestly surprised he hasnt started spewing prescriptivist grammar bs about how in fact he is right and the rest of the world and the way language is actually used is wrong
Max_https://www.dictionary.com/misspelling?term=misconflated#
https://gyazo.com/c51425664454d27bbc864d54af8d5a16
Not a word
bearodactylnah max the dictionary has no bearing on AimIsADick he behaves by his own rules
There is no proper definition for a word.
Dictionaries only define standard english words. Plenty of AAVE words are not in official dictionaries yet. It just needs widespread use and understanding among natives.
[quote=Max_]
https://www.dictionary.com/misspelling?term=misconflated#
https://gyazo.com/c51425664454d27bbc864d54af8d5a16
Not a word[/quote]
[quote=bearodactyl]nah max the dictionary has no bearing on AimIsADick he behaves by his own rules[/quote]
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word]There is no proper definition for a word.[/url]
Dictionaries only define standard english words. Plenty of AAVE words are not in official dictionaries yet. It just needs widespread use and understanding among natives.
flyingbuddyLock thread plz
or make a separate thread. I'd rather just finish this debate already.
[quote=flyingbuddy]Lock thread plz[/quote]
or make a separate thread. I'd rather just finish this debate already.
bearodactyli love how the counterargument to 'conflate already carries a negative connotation' was for AimIsADick, PhD, to say 'well, what if someone used it in the other sense of the word, to mix! then i would HAVE to specify' as if citing the fact that there are in fact Two Senses of a word means you have to bastardize the word with some awful prefix instead of just writing like a normal human and letting the reader decide which you mean based on a thing called Context
Sometimes you have to specify the meaning, like in debates or journalism. Also define "bastardization" in the English language, because so long as the syntax is correct and preexisting words are used, it does not matter if the word sounds wrong or is not in the dictionary. Awkward word ≠ Invalid word.
[quote=bearodactyl]i love how the counterargument to 'conflate already carries a negative connotation' was for AimIsADick, PhD, to say 'well, what if someone used it in the other sense of the word, to mix! then i would HAVE to specify' as if citing the fact that there are in fact Two Senses of a word means you have to [u]bastardize the word with some awful prefix instead of just writing like a normal human and letting the reader decide which you mean based on a thing called Context[/u][/quote]
Sometimes you [i]have[/i] to specify the meaning, like in debates or journalism. Also define "bastardization" in the English language, because so long as the syntax is correct and preexisting words are used, it does not matter if the word sounds wrong or is not in the dictionary. Awkward word ≠ Invalid word.
[quote=AimIsADick][/quote]
[youtube]https://youtu.be/w_Pll7GDVgI[/youtube]
[quote=mikemat]
[youtube]https://youtu.be/DzDztyS09CU[/youtube][/quote]
...no.
[quote=AimIsADick][quote=Max_]
https://www.dictionary.com/misspelling?term=misconflated#
https://gyazo.com/c51425664454d27bbc864d54af8d5a16
Not a word[/quote]
[quote=bearodactyl]nah max the dictionary has no bearing on AimIsADick he behaves by his own rules[/quote]
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word]There is no proper definition for a word.[/url]
Dictionaries only define standard english words. Plenty of AAVE words are not in official dictionaries yet. It just needs widespread use and understanding among natives.[/quote]
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hella
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lit
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bae
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke
https://gyazo.com/5a2c1af4c18bc004bf3bf47ed2923efd
Still not a word
Max_https://gyazo.com/5a2c1af4c18bc004bf3bf47ed2923efd
Still not a word
AimIsADickThere is no proper definition for a word. A term being included in a dictionary does not make it a word.
Dictionaries only define standard english words. Plenty of AAVE words are not in official dictionaries yet. They just need widespread use and understanding among natives.
[quote=Max_]
https://gyazo.com/5a2c1af4c18bc004bf3bf47ed2923efd
Still not a word[/quote]
[quote=AimIsADick][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word]There is no proper definition for a word.[/url] A term being included in a dictionary does not make it a word.
Dictionaries only define [i]standard[/i] english words. Plenty of AAVE words are not in official dictionaries yet. They just need widespread use and understanding among natives.[/quote]
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/word
Once again: [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word#Definitions/meanings]A dictionary is not what [i]defines[/i] a word; it merely [i]lists[/i] words.[/url]
[quote=AimIsADick]Once again: [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word#Definitions/meanings]A dictionary is not what [i]defines[/i] a word; it merely [i]lists[/i] words.[/url][/quote]
citing wikipedia -25% see me after class
"In linguistics, a word of a spoken language can be defined as the smallest sequence of phonemes that can be uttered in isolation with objective or practical meaning."
"In many languages, the notion of what constitutes a "word" may be learned as part of learning the writing system."
Do you even read what you post
"In linguistics, a word of a spoken language can be defined as the smallest sequence of phonemes that can be uttered in isolation with objective or practical meaning."
"In many languages, the notion of what constitutes a "word" may be learned as part of learning the writing system."
Do you even read what you post
Max_"In linguistics, a word of a spoken language can be defined as the smallest sequence of phonemes that can be uttered in isolation with objective or practical meaning."
So technically misconflate is a word, because it has a practical meaning (to badly blend).
Max_"In many languages, the notion of what constitutes a "word" may be learned as part of learning the writing system."
Do you even read what you post
Yes. To clarify I mean that there is no unified proper definition, not that there are no definitions.
[quote=Max_]"In linguistics, a word of a spoken language can be defined as the smallest sequence of phonemes that can be uttered in isolation with objective or practical meaning."[/quote]
So technically misconflate is a word, because it has a practical meaning (to badly blend).
[quote=Max_]"In many languages, the notion of what constitutes a "word" may be learned as part of learning the writing system."
Do you even read what you post[/quote]
Yes. To clarify I mean that there is no [i]unified proper[/i] definition, not that there are no definitions.
No because if I walk up to anyone (except you apparently) and use misconflate in a sentence they will look at me funny and be confused because it's not an actual word used by anyone but you.
Just because I use a unspelled "word" doesn't mean it's a word
That's a word right? I'm able to just toss un- infront of something just like you toss mis- infront of something
No because if I walk up to anyone (except you apparently) and use misconflate in a sentence they will look at me funny and be confused because it's not an actual word used by anyone but you.
Just because I use a unspelled "word" doesn't mean it's a word
That's a word right? I'm able to just toss un- infront of something just like you toss mis- infront of something
anybody else bored on a tuesday night
anybody else bored on a tuesday night
Max_No because if I walk up to anyone (except you apparently) and use misconflate in a sentence they will look at me funny and be confused because it's not an actual word used by anyone but you.
Again. misconflate fits the rules of being a word (mis- + conflate); it's just not included in dictionaries because it isn't recognized as a word.
Max_Just because I use a unspelled "word" doesn't mean it's a word
I'm confused. Can you elaborate?
Max_That's a word right? I'm able to just toss un- infront of something just like you toss mis- infront of something
Yes. That is how prefixes work.
flatlineanybody else bored on a tuesday night
Nope. I'm currently pissed off because a lobby of idiots said that mouse accel is bad for aim...
[quote=Max_]No because if I walk up to anyone (except you apparently) and use misconflate in a sentence they will look at me funny and be confused because it's not an actual word used by anyone but you.[/quote]
Again. misconflate fits the rules of being a word (mis- + conflate); it's just not included in dictionaries because it isn't [i]recognized[/i] as a word.
[quote=Max_]Just because I use a unspelled "word" doesn't mean it's a word[/quote]
I'm confused. Can you elaborate?
[quote=Max_]That's a word right? I'm able to just toss un- infront of something just like you toss mis- infront of something[/quote]
Yes. That is how prefixes work.
[quote=flatline]anybody else bored on a tuesday night[/quote]
Nope. I'm currently pissed off because a lobby of idiots said that mouse accel is bad for aim...
Language can and does gradually change over time and new words do get added but you are simply using the incorrect word, as conflate is already often used to merge things in error.
The best *reasonable* metric you can use is if other people have used the word you are describing before
spoiler alert the google ngram viewer returns 0 results
Unless a bunch of people just randomly start using misconflate in 2021 you are indeed just using a word that does not exist, even if said word has an intended meaning.
Language can and does gradually change over time and new words do get added but you are simply using the incorrect word, as conflate is already often used to merge things in error.
The best *reasonable* metric you can use is if other people have used the word you are describing before
[url=https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=misconflate&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=]spoiler alert the google ngram viewer returns 0 results[/url]
Unless a bunch of people just randomly start using misconflate in 2021 you are indeed just using a word that does not exist, even if said word has an intended meaning.
ConnieLanguage can and does gradually change over time and new words do get added but you are simply using the incorrect word, as conflate is already often used to merge things in error.
According to merriam, it merely just states "to combine", not "to combine in error".
ConnieThe best *reasonable* metric you can use is if other people have used the word you are describing before
spoiler alert the google ngram viewer returns 0 results
(What's ngram? I'm interested.)
I searched misconflate in searx (with Google and DuckDuckGo search engines enabled) and got some results containing misconflate. It's not popular, but I do get results containing it.
I'll just settle on this conclusion, since I'm getting sick of this thread: 'misconflate' (or 'misconflation') can theoretically exist as a word (since mis- and conflate are both words), but it won't be recognized as one by your metric until it's popular enough.
(How did this thread go from "is consistency always good?" to "Is misconflate a word"?)
[quote=Connie]Language can and does gradually change over time and new words do get added but you are simply using the incorrect word, as conflate is already often used to merge things in error.[/quote]
[url=https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conflate]According to merriam[/url], it merely just states "to combine", not "to combine in error".
[quote=Connie]The best *reasonable* metric you can use is if other people have used the word you are describing before
[url=https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=misconflate&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=]spoiler alert the google ngram viewer returns 0 results[/url][/quote]
(What's ngram? I'm interested.)
I searched misconflate in [url=https://searx.github.io/searx/]searx[/url] (with Google and DuckDuckGo search engines enabled) and [u]got some results containing misconflate[/u]. It's not popular, but I [i]do[/i] get results containing it.
I'll just settle on this conclusion, since I'm getting sick of this thread: 'misconflate' (or 'misconflation') can theoretically exist as a word (since mis- and conflate are both words), but it won't be recognized as one by your metric until it's popular enough.
(How did this thread go from "is consistency always good?" to "Is misconflate a word"?)
My guy actually made a Reddit post to try get people to validate his opinion lmao
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/grammar/comments/pjtclf/can_misconflate_be_considered_a_compound_word/
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