dw tommy I’ll crank out like 3 videos during this semester’s study break just for you my man.
Grape Juice Community College is a go. I’ve been sitting on scripts since 2021 but the streets have spoken. This is also a callout post to habib to continue the Book Of Habib… we’ve been waiting on a new episode for 3 years now man what’s up with that
dw tommy I’ll crank out like 3 videos during this semester’s study break just for you my man.
Grape Juice Community College is a go. I’ve been sitting on scripts since 2021 but the streets have spoken. This is also a callout post to habib to continue the Book Of Habib… we’ve been waiting on a new episode for 3 years now man what’s up with that
glasslong time ago war started a series of how-to videos and in the first one he literally pointed out the meta place to stand on a process second hold, with disad or even, for each class, and why. i remember thinking, realistically to learn this game at a high level you either need a video like this for every map, point, and situation, or else just to be shouted at in pugs until you get it. there's not much in-between. it's a really hard game
This is such an eye-opener. The only way I could think of setting up a learning environment that actually teaches you literally everything you would need to know would be taking into account different concrete factors like uber ad, uber disad, your med dead, their med dead, numbers difference (of all individual classes), etc, and based on that knowing what to do, where to be, and why, as EVERY class, in EVERY part of EVERY map, WITHOUT taking into consideration the sinergy and playstyle consensus factor in your team. Although the possibilities branch out infinitely (or at least to an unreasonable enough amount to be teachable), by shrinking it down to the basics it kind of sounds to me like a good starting point for the player to later pickup the rest of the concepts by themselves.
[quote=glass]long time ago war started a series of how-to videos and in the first one he literally pointed out the meta place to stand on a process second hold, with disad or even, for each class, and why. i remember thinking, realistically to learn this game at a high level you either need a video like this for every map, point, and situation, or else just to be shouted at in pugs until you get it. there's not much in-between. it's a really hard game[/quote]
This is such an eye-opener. The only way I could think of setting up a learning environment that actually teaches you literally everything you would need to know would be taking into account different concrete factors like uber ad, uber disad, your med dead, their med dead, numbers difference (of all individual classes), etc, and based on that knowing what to do, where to be, and why, as EVERY class, in EVERY part of EVERY map, WITHOUT taking into consideration the sinergy and playstyle consensus factor in your team. Although the possibilities branch out infinitely (or at least to an unreasonable enough amount to be teachable), by shrinking it down to the basics it kind of sounds to me like a good starting point for the player to later pickup the rest of the concepts by themselves.
As someone who has been pushing and leading the newbie mix project for nearly a decade at this point... (fuck me) every single thing, want and issue in this thread was something that me and the others wanted to create solutions for in the past, but the biggest issue is actually getting people to help out with the project.
I went off at the community about being all talk no action probably 4-5 years back, and not a single thing has changed since then. If you guys want these guides and this information out there, please for the love of god, stop posting about it on the forums and go do something about it. Newbie mixes is always looking for coaches, especially those with more experience. More map tutorials will always be welcome, if you need help editing stuff down there are quire a few people with basic editing knowledge. Hell this is something I would be willing to put time in and do personally as long as there are other people actually willing to do some stuff as well. As someone that has been pushing for these systems and things to be created for longer than some players have even played the game, the burnout and lack of support from the community is real. As said before, that lack of support is why we saw so many talented people jump ship over the years.
If ANYONE is actually interested in doing something and not just posting about it on the forums, hit me up in the newbie mix discord.
As someone who has been pushing and leading the newbie mix project for nearly a decade at this point... (fuck me) every single thing, want and issue in this thread was something that me and the others wanted to create solutions for in the past, but the biggest issue is actually getting people to help out with the project.
I went off at the community about being all talk no action probably 4-5 years back, and not a single thing has changed since then. If you guys want these guides and this information out there, please for the love of god, stop posting about it on the forums and go do something about it. Newbie mixes is [i]always[/i] looking for coaches, especially those with more experience. More map tutorials will always be welcome, if you need help editing stuff down there are quire a few people with basic editing knowledge. Hell this is something I would be willing to put time in and do personally as long as there are other people actually willing to do some stuff as well. As someone that has been pushing for these systems and things to be created for longer than some players have even played the game, the burnout and lack of support from the community is real. As said before, that lack of support is why we saw so many talented people jump ship over the years.
If [i]ANYONE[/i] is actually interested in doing something and not just posting about it on the forums, hit me up in the newbie mix discord.
Discord invite to Newbie Mixes
In all honesty, there's not a lack of new players that want to play in Newbie Mixes and TF2CC (can always be more ofc); really, there's a lack of coaches. For players that have a genuine desire to build the community, go sign up to be a coach. Identifying outstanding newcomer players that can lead teams is an immensely rewarding experience, and they have power to bring more players and friends in. RGL also gives free seasons to Newbie Mixes coaches.
[url=https://discord.com/invite/9uDQNcs]Discord invite to Newbie Mixes[/url]
In all honesty, there's not a lack of new players that want to play in Newbie Mixes and TF2CC (can always be more ofc); really, there's a lack of coaches. For players that have a genuine desire to build the community, go sign up to be a coach. Identifying outstanding newcomer players that can lead teams is an immensely rewarding experience, and they have power to bring more players and friends in. RGL also gives free seasons to Newbie Mixes coaches.
To be clear, I'm not just saying come coach (although please do we literally never have enough coaches). I'm saying if you have any ideas and don't know where to start come and talk to me and there is a 99% chance I can help.
To be clear, I'm not just saying come coach (although please do we literally never have enough coaches). I'm saying if you have any ideas and don't know where to start come and talk to me and there is a 99% chance I can help.
i think if u have good critical thinking abilities u are better off just streaming/recording ur gameplay so u can review ur own vods and then watch someone better than u and do same thing
if u are not good at critical thinking just ask me to watch it in my discord ok ty bye
i think if u have good critical thinking abilities u are better off just streaming/recording ur gameplay so u can review ur own vods and then watch someone better than u and do same thing
if u are not good at critical thinking just ask me to watch it in my discord ok ty bye
I don't know how this thread has looped back to newbie mixes when the problem people were identifying more was one you're past newbie mixes but still very new to comp to be a part of the community that is very fucked on how to improve
I don't know how this thread has looped back to newbie mixes when the problem people were identifying more was one you're past newbie mixes but still very new to comp to be a part of the community that is very fucked on how to improve
chellI don't know how this thread has looped back to newbie mixes when the problem people were identifying more was one you're past newbie mixes but still very new to comp to be a part of the community that is very fucked on how to improve
Ok true lol. I really like the idea WildRumpus mentioned: a curated resources page that has common tags you can select like 'pocket soldier' that would then bring up guides, vods, etc. In addition, there could be a global search bar if you want to look something up like "Snakewater Map Guide."
Flare, WildRumpus, and I will be working together on this stuff soon.
[quote=chell]I don't know how this thread has looped back to newbie mixes when the problem people were identifying more was one you're past newbie mixes but still very new to comp to be a part of the community that is very fucked on how to improve[/quote]
Ok true lol. I really like the idea WildRumpus mentioned: a curated resources page that has common tags you can select like 'pocket soldier' that would then bring up guides, vods, etc. In addition, there could be a global search bar if you want to look something up like "Snakewater Map Guide."
Flare, WildRumpus, and I will be working together on this stuff soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEEZ2P6HPNg
some AU dude made this vid and it showed up on my youtube recommendations, seemed interesting
he plays 6s but for some reason doesn't show much of it in the vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEEZ2P6HPNg
some AU dude made this vid and it showed up on my youtube recommendations, seemed interesting
he plays 6s but for some reason doesn't show much of it in the vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV99HoB1Vk8
I reuploaded sandblast's demo review of Raphaim he did a couple days ago. Doesn't seem to be a VOD for it on his twitch so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV99HoB1Vk8[/youtube]
I reuploaded sandblast's demo review of Raphaim he did a couple days ago. Doesn't seem to be a VOD for it on his twitch so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DivineAThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV99HoB1Vk8
I reuploaded sandblast's demo review of Raphaim he did a couple days ago. Doesn't seem to be a VOD for it on his twitch so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
VOD reupload channels like yours (and @officerreekz @freshercleaner6266) have been gold mines for someone who doesn't live in the US timezones, so thank you!
[quote=DivineAT][youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV99HoB1Vk8[/youtube]
I reuploaded sandblast's demo review of Raphaim he did a couple days ago. Doesn't seem to be a VOD for it on his twitch so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯[/quote]
VOD reupload channels like yours (and @officerreekz @freshercleaner6266) have been gold mines for someone who doesn't live in the US timezones, so thank you!
it would be really cool if someone revived/rehosted tactics.tf
tbh if someone points me to the person who was behind it I would totally look into hosting it myself
I have learnt that https://dribbletf.netlify.app has drawing tools, which pretty much fills my urge to draw on demos.
However, it has limited maps, and hasn't been updated in 2 years so may also dissapear sometime
[s]it would be really cool if someone revived/rehosted tactics.tf
tbh if someone points me to the person who was behind it I would totally look into hosting it myself[/s]
I have learnt that https://dribbletf.netlify.app has drawing tools, which pretty much fills my urge to draw on demos.
However, it has limited maps, and hasn't been updated in 2 years so may also dissapear sometime
Hi all - I've been working on an app that is essentially a repository for comp guides and map review resources -> mapreview.tf
WildRumpus and Taylor and others put out similar ideas, so I realize others might be heading in the same direction. Right now the functionality is very similar to the dead training tf, but lets you filter by classes, roles, maps, and creators. Its still in the early development stages, but I'm hoping for some feedback from those who would be in this thread. hit me up on discord Zebulon#1215 or send an email to the link in the about section on the page
Hi all - I've been working on an app that is essentially a repository for comp guides and map review resources -> [url=https://mapreview.tf]mapreview.tf[/url]
WildRumpus and Taylor and others put out similar ideas, so I realize others might be heading in the same direction. Right now the functionality is very similar to the dead training tf, but lets you filter by classes, roles, maps, and creators. Its still in the early development stages, but I'm hoping for some feedback from those who would be in this thread. hit me up on discord Zebulon#1215 or send an email to the link in the about section on the page
technosex's roaming fundamentals (6 parts) and kapoww's scatter school vids (7 parts) on ForceBoinks channel were cool for its time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3BQoAuCqx0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z-DhjfZBKY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4EcJIayWZ8
technosex's roaming fundamentals (6 parts) and kapoww's scatter school vids (7 parts) on ForceBoinks channel were cool for its time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3BQoAuCqx0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z-DhjfZBKY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4EcJIayWZ8
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shouts to reako and critnoob
yea the newbie mixes response is not malicious, but the players you are trying to reach to are near the true skill floor
so u need steps, pug groups at various stages/divs, and that the myriad of info dumps of techniques
and idk, not all aspiring soldier mains are willing to watch hours and hours of all the jumps, apply those
tactics feverishly in jump maps+scrims for hours, all that shit. some ppl just want to have fun, and turn their brain off in pugs.
the various, hidden inhouses and lowtier groups need to communicate their goals properly, and "moderate" those fencehopping troublemakers
so newbie mixes is good for , barebones, 0 knowledge of comp 6s, then there's tf2cc which is infodump central
im just re-iterating past comments, but yea, they got coaches, live map tutorials, all that shit. froste the goat
then there's rgl discord for rgl stuff, some guides, but tf2cc is like, the place to be, if u are trying to cram info. it should have
most of everything, and the jist of mechanics/foundationals for sure. the niche/personal stuff u want to work on+create your own
gameplay identity, that's some stuff u'll figure out in pugs/the like, on your own/ask better players.
but yea, groups are not going to communicate their goals properly if they live and die on a biweekly basis. some ppl, me included
are just tryna vibe in pugs, i am a bit vocal but, bc im bad, i get confused if ppl are doing unintelligent pugstrats that won't work in actual
scrims and matches, so pugs are bad habits in that regard. its just a matter of, is the time you're spending, actually working out. sure you can play pugs
for 4hrs, warmup for 2, scrim for 3, then pug until u drop dead asleep but, are you actually *always* learning during that time spent.
but some ppl just want to play pugs to play them, not learn. also, yea there's no pug groups LMAO. send me some lowtier ones pls, im
shadowbanned from the rest bc im either too shite or too "good" for tf2cc :// can't even play with friends, we all washed yo, dont even tf2 as the main game >.<
marmaloo videos are goat, i still got that shit saved, but i can never finish them :(
making tf2 content is a dying (business), cause u don't even have the jerma/star vids kinda, community anymore imo, where casuals slowly
join the game, and u actually have a playerbase to work with, so what's the point in creating all the guides with the cryptic levels of difficulty, if ppl
won't even make the skill floor/entertaining just for the sake of it, jerma vs star vids anymore. it is what it is, the basic skill floor vids are like, 10years old at this rate, ppl need to update them but, who has that
kind of time+ patience to do these step by step. (e.g. engineer apostles for engineer gameplay , it's for improving as an engi player, but then
u need to have that kind of scope/vision to be able to apply it towards 6s, so at some point, ppl will have to decide for themselves how they want
to learn in the game, but the guides are already pretty old/outdated, so it's already super hard to infodump unless it's word by mouth/tf2cc.there's some pyro ones, but fk off :)) )
speaking of infodump, yea sorry about that LOL. just making my thoughts up while reading the thread, so its bound to be long, likely incomprehensible.
also, valve doesn't promote the comp side like they do with dota?the international/majors? cs majors, the cs community works bc the game is inherent in nature, majority of ppl do comp+dm, even casual is barebones comp.
meanwhile in tf2,they make blog posts about heavy panfights or something LOL, but what can u do. the game is inherently a casual party game, so it's already hard to
make a playerbase for it, unless the playerbase has super grassroots, like melee. tf2 is sort of shifting that way, but there's still a large majority
of tf2 players that only pub, and have no interest in comp, esp if valve is busy promoting random shit, and likely highlander/prolander if they did
promote comp. so it is what it is, sucks. the game is inherently more casual( pubs) than it is for competitive (pugs+etc). it's like, manifesting a balloons tower defense comp scene LMAOOOO
oyea, inhouses vs pug services like pughub, eventually ppl are going to find their own circles and stay in them. so if you're in no circles, how the fuck
do you play 6s games if you're not trying to waste your time in tf2center lol, do tf2cc unironically. if you're willing to sift through the volumes of data, tf2cc
should have everything, but in text format. game isn't popular enough for ppl to have the patience to make step by step guides from lv1 scout to b4nny scout
but yea, for ppl with no idea of comp, its like tf2center, then newbie mixes if still interested, and then all the shit i wrote up top. again, sry for the dump,
am trying to make it at least readeable, even if it's long :)
#30, yo for bounties tho, im bouta start lmao, intermediate div knowledge but i have nc player aim
yea, when is there gonna be a book of habib volume 2 T.T im tryna learn demo .
RGL FREE SEASONS TO NEWBIE COACHES? AYOOOOO im there, reako sign me up no cap, bouta get the free pass to sub/ring for matches xdd
yea chell, there has to be a pughub-esque community but for low tiers, but it will be an insane struggle. i believe pughub is still active? but it's been monitored very carefully
when i was there at least. ppl would rather join other inhouses than work on a pug service for lowtiers, that's why all the pug services, like pugchamp
dgaf about fatkids lol, that shit is a biiiig thing for ppl, but it's like, required for lowtiers,what can u do(.) there's certain distinguishing factors, and idk bout yall, but there are a lot more of those
lowtier players committing shenanigans in pugs T.T so let them make their own groups and stay there.
yea technosex and kapoww vids are good too, old but gold.^
aite if there's any random shit in what i wrote, toobad. not gonna triple check that shit. also if i forget, hmu back tino_ k ty
yea the talented ppl jumped ship to better games, so base is dwindling with no new ppl joining, dying business.
you actually cannot compete unless u have volunteers to do all the stuff for free, ppl legit getting paid to make content/jump ship for other games, unlucky.
there's no money in tf2, unfortunately. best we can do is prop up the content creators and hope they don't all quit/new ppl fill the void, but no new friends. k bye
also dont say tldr or didn't read,schizoposter, cuz idc, no memes in this thread k ty
[spoiler] shouts to reako and critnoob
yea the newbie mixes response is not malicious, but the players you are trying to reach to are near the true skill floor
so u need steps, pug groups at various stages/divs, and that the myriad of info dumps of techniques
and idk, not all aspiring soldier mains are willing to watch hours and hours of all the jumps, apply those
tactics feverishly in jump maps+scrims for hours, all that shit. some ppl just want to have fun, and turn their brain off in pugs.
the various, hidden inhouses and lowtier groups need to communicate their goals properly, and "moderate" those fencehopping troublemakers
so newbie mixes is good for , barebones, 0 knowledge of comp 6s, then there's tf2cc which is infodump central
im just re-iterating past comments, but yea, they got coaches, live map tutorials, all that shit. froste the goat
then there's rgl discord for rgl stuff, some guides, but tf2cc is like, the place to be, if u are trying to cram info. it should have
most of everything, and the jist of mechanics/foundationals for sure. the niche/personal stuff u want to work on+create your own
gameplay identity, that's some stuff u'll figure out in pugs/the like, on your own/ask better players.
but yea, groups are not going to communicate their goals properly if they live and die on a biweekly basis. some ppl, me included
are just tryna vibe in pugs, i am a bit vocal but, bc im bad, i get confused if ppl are doing unintelligent pugstrats that won't work in actual
scrims and matches, so pugs are bad habits in that regard. its just a matter of, is the time you're spending, actually working out. sure you can play pugs
for 4hrs, warmup for 2, scrim for 3, then pug until u drop dead asleep but, are you actually *always* learning during that time spent.
but some ppl just want to play pugs to play them, not learn. also, yea there's no pug groups LMAO. send me some lowtier ones pls, im
shadowbanned from the rest bc im either too shite or too "good" for tf2cc :// can't even play with friends, we all washed yo, dont even tf2 as the main game >.<
marmaloo videos are goat, i still got that shit saved, but i can never finish them :(
making tf2 content is a dying (business), cause u don't even have the jerma/star vids kinda, community anymore imo, where casuals slowly
join the game, and u actually have a playerbase to work with, so what's the point in creating all the guides with the cryptic levels of difficulty, if ppl
won't even make the skill floor/entertaining just for the sake of it, jerma vs star vids anymore. it is what it is, the basic skill floor vids are like, 10years old at this rate, ppl need to update them but, who has that
kind of time+ patience to do these step by step. (e.g. engineer apostles for engineer gameplay , it's for improving as an engi player, but then
u need to have that kind of scope/vision to be able to apply it towards 6s, so at some point, ppl will have to decide for themselves how they want
to learn in the game, but the guides are already pretty old/outdated, so it's already super hard to infodump unless it's word by mouth/tf2cc.there's some pyro ones, but fk off :)) )
speaking of infodump, yea sorry about that LOL. just making my thoughts up while reading the thread, so its bound to be long, likely incomprehensible.
also, valve doesn't promote the comp side like they do with dota?the international/majors? cs majors, the cs community works bc the game is inherent in nature, majority of ppl do comp+dm, even casual is barebones comp.
meanwhile in tf2,they make blog posts about heavy panfights or something LOL, but what can u do. the game is inherently a casual party game, so it's already hard to
make a playerbase for it, unless the playerbase has super grassroots, like melee. tf2 is sort of shifting that way, but there's still a large majority
of tf2 players that only pub, and have no interest in comp, esp if valve is busy promoting random shit, and likely highlander/prolander if they did
promote comp. so it is what it is, sucks. the game is inherently more casual( pubs) than it is for competitive (pugs+etc). it's like, manifesting a balloons tower defense comp scene LMAOOOO
oyea, inhouses vs pug services like pughub, eventually ppl are going to find their own circles and stay in them. so if you're in no circles, how the fuck
do you play 6s games if you're not trying to waste your time in tf2center lol, do tf2cc unironically. if you're willing to sift through the volumes of data, tf2cc
should have everything, but in text format. game isn't popular enough for ppl to have the patience to make step by step guides from lv1 scout to b4nny scout
but yea, for ppl with no idea of comp, its like tf2center, then newbie mixes if still interested, and then all the shit i wrote up top. again, sry for the dump,
am trying to make it at least readeable, even if it's long :)
#30, yo for bounties tho, im bouta start lmao, intermediate div knowledge but i have nc player aim
yea, when is there gonna be a book of habib volume 2 T.T im tryna learn demo .
RGL FREE SEASONS TO NEWBIE COACHES? AYOOOOO im there, reako sign me up no cap, bouta get the free pass to sub/ring for matches xdd
yea chell, there has to be a pughub-esque community but for low tiers, but it will be an insane struggle. i believe pughub is still active? but it's been monitored very carefully
when i was there at least. ppl would rather join other inhouses than work on a pug service for lowtiers, that's why all the pug services, like pugchamp
dgaf about fatkids lol, that shit is a biiiig thing for ppl, but it's like, required for lowtiers,what can u do(.) there's certain distinguishing factors, and idk bout yall, but there are a lot more of those
lowtier players committing shenanigans in pugs T.T so let them make their own groups and stay there.
yea technosex and kapoww vids are good too, old but gold.^
aite if there's any random shit in what i wrote, toobad. not gonna triple check that shit. also if i forget, hmu back tino_ k ty
yea the talented ppl jumped ship to better games, so base is dwindling with no new ppl joining, dying business.
you actually cannot compete unless u have volunteers to do all the stuff for free, ppl legit getting paid to make content/jump ship for other games, unlucky.
there's no money in tf2, unfortunately. best we can do is prop up the content creators and hope they don't all quit/new ppl fill the void, but no new friends. k bye
also dont say tldr or didn't read,schizoposter, cuz idc, no memes in this thread k ty
[/spoiler]
olifurwords
hey i skimmed through your nerd essay, yes i agree that things would be way better if we got people into the skill floor of competitive tf2 rather than JUST focus on helping people already in the skill floor
[quote=olifur]words[/quote]
hey i skimmed through your nerd essay, yes i agree that things would be way better if we got people into the skill floor of competitive tf2 rather than JUST focus on helping people already in the skill floor
yea, so its a lot of obstacles to manage, the first one is obv getting ppl into the game first b4 u do comp+all that
:nerd: :pointing up:
the majority of tf2 players are idly playing in pubs, they have no idea what 6s or even highlander means, also they are likely adolescents, so your only options are from friends of friends/word of mouth.
yea, so its a lot of obstacles to manage, the first one is obv getting ppl into the game first b4 u do comp+all that
:nerd: :pointing up:
the majority of tf2 players are idly playing in pubs, they have no idea what 6s or even highlander means, also they are likely adolescents, so your only options are from friends of friends/word of mouth.
tommyI would put in some money as a sort of bounty to make content like this (any of the suggestions above).. A little crude but I don't have the time/knowledge to make any of them.
wooshi think shorter videos, like the ones shounic makes would be better for new comp players. i don't think many new players who are unsure about whether they want to play comp want to watch a 40 minute unedited video about a single aspect of 6s
This is why grape juice's line-theory video is so good, we need like 10 more of these explaining other fundamentals.
Remember that sfm team service announcement series? It was more on the entertainment than education side but it shows newer players love easily digestibile, short content.
I think new players feel pressured to learn everything at once and having smaller tip style videos makes it a less daunting and more gradual learning process. Like we don't really have a space for casual competition and I wonder if that's because the barrier for learning this game is basically a huge time commitment to join a team/get involved with scheduled mixes/consume long form educational content.
[quote=tommy]I would put in some money as a sort of bounty to make content like this (any of the suggestions above).. A little crude but I don't have the time/knowledge to make any of them.
[quote=woosh]i think shorter videos, like the ones shounic makes would be better for new comp players. i don't think many new players who are unsure about whether they want to play comp want to watch a 40 minute unedited video about a single aspect of 6s[/quote] This is why grape juice's [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB7zh24cDiA]line-theory video[/url] is so good, we need like 10 more of these explaining other fundamentals.[/quote]
Remember that sfm team service announcement series? It was more on the entertainment than education side but it shows newer players love easily digestibile, short content.
I think new players feel pressured to learn everything at once and having smaller tip style videos makes it a less daunting and more gradual learning process. Like we don't really have a space for casual competition and I wonder if that's because the barrier for learning this game is basically a huge time commitment to join a team/get involved with scheduled mixes/consume long form educational content.
Wheres the low/mid pugs at? I remember playing a lot of tf2.mix until I started getting the occasional pick in pug.na back in the day. I was never good but at some point you could become common enough to be a fatkid pick... TF2Center Seems terrible for NA but ill have to watch it more often.
Wheres the low/mid pugs at? I remember playing a lot of tf2.mix until I started getting the occasional pick in pug.na back in the day. I was never good but at some point you could become common enough to be a fatkid pick... TF2Center Seems terrible for NA but ill have to watch it more often.