crazy that it's harder to pass the rgl background check than it is to get a government job
Banned from RGL for being an "Alternate Account"
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Brimstonecrazy that it's harder to pass the rgl background check than it is to get a government job
why would you wanna work for this goverment, its a shitshow
[quote=Brimstone]crazy that it's harder to pass the rgl background check than it is to get a government job[/quote]
why would you wanna work for this goverment, its a shitshow
why would you wanna work for this goverment, its a shitshow
plum Or ask RGL what would be enough (if they care to even answer)? This may seem over the top but honestly, you don't have many options at all.
WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SINCE DECEMBER SINCE THIS ALL STARTED. Me and my roommate have both said multiple times that we are willing to talk with anyone directly and get this sorted out, but we kept getting told over and oiver and over again that the inly way to appeal was to submit an appeal form, yet the only way I was even allowed to submit an appeal was because of this very thread. Now they’re saying that 2 other accounts, that weren’t banned initially with me, who have both haven’t entered anything in rgl in at least 3 years, one not being used since 2018, are also her alt accounts.
So like fucking whatever man. Even if these new accounts they’re using as proof were her 2 smurfs, i feel like willingly leaking private docs and showing gameplay of us together is more than enough to prove that me and my account specifically are not her alts, yet still banned.
Edit: It's worth mentioning that me and the 2 new accounts that were banned yesterday are permabanned from rgl and are unable to access the discord or website, while my roommate, the one accused of being an alt, is only banned until June and is still inside the RGL discord. Even if I specifically wanted to approach an RGL staff member directly, I literally do not have the ability to.
I kinda want to be in a group call with my roommate and the AC staff and halfway through walk over to her setup and start talking from there and see if they notice.
[quote=plum] Or ask RGL what would be enough (if they care to even answer)? This may seem over the top but honestly, you don't have many options at all.[/quote]
WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SINCE DECEMBER SINCE THIS ALL STARTED. Me and my roommate have both said multiple times that we are willing to talk with anyone directly and get this sorted out, but we kept getting told over and oiver and over again that the inly way to appeal was to submit an appeal form, yet the only way I was even allowed to submit an appeal was because of this very thread. Now they’re saying that 2 other accounts, that weren’t banned initially with me, who have both haven’t entered anything in rgl in at least 3 years, one not being used since 2018, are also her alt accounts.
So like fucking whatever man. Even if these new accounts they’re using as proof were her 2 smurfs, i feel like willingly leaking private docs and showing gameplay of us together is more than enough to prove that me and my account specifically are not her alts, yet still banned.
Edit: It's worth mentioning that me and the 2 new accounts that were banned yesterday are permabanned from rgl and are unable to access the discord or website, while my roommate, the one accused of being an alt, is only banned until June and is still inside the RGL discord. Even if I specifically wanted to approach an RGL staff member directly, I literally do not have the ability to.
I kinda want to be in a group call with my roommate and the AC staff and halfway through walk over to her setup and start talking from there and see if they notice.
WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SINCE DECEMBER SINCE THIS ALL STARTED. Me and my roommate have both said multiple times that we are willing to talk with anyone directly and get this sorted out, but we kept getting told over and oiver and over again that the inly way to appeal was to submit an appeal form, yet the only way I was even allowed to submit an appeal was because of this very thread. Now they’re saying that 2 other accounts, that weren’t banned initially with me, who have both haven’t entered anything in rgl in at least 3 years, one not being used since 2018, are also her alt accounts.
So like fucking whatever man. Even if these new accounts they’re using as proof were her 2 smurfs, i feel like willingly leaking private docs and showing gameplay of us together is more than enough to prove that me and my account specifically are not her alts, yet still banned.
Edit: It's worth mentioning that me and the 2 new accounts that were banned yesterday are permabanned from rgl and are unable to access the discord or website, while my roommate, the one accused of being an alt, is only banned until June and is still inside the RGL discord. Even if I specifically wanted to approach an RGL staff member directly, I literally do not have the ability to.
I kinda want to be in a group call with my roommate and the AC staff and halfway through walk over to her setup and start talking from there and see if they notice.
PupsiMax Edit 2: Just double checked one of the accounts they sent in the email, Nitsta, every season/cup they played in was before anything on the Krow account. Why is it being brought up now? How could it have been used for sandbagging if it was never used at the same time as the Krow account?
I would be more sympathetic but some parts are not adding up. You didn't actually say whether these alts are yours (or your roommates) or not, so are they? Why this many accounts? Especially since they are also both younger than your "mains". You also omitted the fact that one of the alts did in-fact play during 2020. So that means that sandbagging was actually involved. Not to mention, if the account that played before krow started, that means that the admins were not able to make a truly informed decision about what divs she should've been allowed to play or be restricted in.
Plenty of people in RGL have roommates, old forgotten inactive accounts, or old RGL accounts and I've never seen someone get banned for that; it just gets marked as an old account. You seem to be moving the goalpost by saying that "oh they're old though!". Just because you two are separate people does not mean you were incapable of any wrongdoing.
Why ban the alts only now?
I don't know but maybe it was not considered to be necessary. As you said; they have been inactive. Possibly, they are not the only ones. You are equally able to lie or omit information as RGL is.
[quote=PupsiMax] Edit 2: Just double checked one of the accounts they sent in the email, Nitsta, every season/cup they played in was before anything on the Krow account. Why is it being brought up now? How could it have been used for sandbagging if it was never used at the same time as the Krow account?[/quote]
I would be more sympathetic but some parts are not adding up. You didn't actually say whether these alts are yours (or your roommates) or not, so are they? Why this many accounts? Especially since they are also[b] both younger than your "mains".[/b] You also omitted the fact that one of the alts [i]did[/i] in-fact play during 2020. So that means that sandbagging was actually involved. Not to mention, if the account that played before krow started, that means that the admins were not able to make a truly informed decision about what divs she should've been allowed to play or be restricted in.
Plenty of people in RGL have roommates, old forgotten inactive accounts, or old RGL accounts and I've never seen someone get banned for that; it just gets marked as an old account. You seem to be moving the goalpost by saying that "oh they're old though!". Just because you two are separate people does not mean you were incapable of any wrongdoing.
[i]Why ban the alts only now?[/i]
I don't know but maybe it was not considered to be necessary. As you said; they have been inactive. Possibly, they are not the only ones. You are equally able to lie or omit information as RGL is.
I would be more sympathetic but some parts are not adding up. You didn't actually say whether these alts are yours (or your roommates) or not, so are they? Why this many accounts? Especially since they are also[b] both younger than your "mains".[/b] You also omitted the fact that one of the alts [i]did[/i] in-fact play during 2020. So that means that sandbagging was actually involved. Not to mention, if the account that played before krow started, that means that the admins were not able to make a truly informed decision about what divs she should've been allowed to play or be restricted in.
Plenty of people in RGL have roommates, old forgotten inactive accounts, or old RGL accounts and I've never seen someone get banned for that; it just gets marked as an old account. You seem to be moving the goalpost by saying that "oh they're old though!". Just because you two are separate people does not mean you were incapable of any wrongdoing.
[i]Why ban the alts only now?[/i]
I don't know but maybe it was not considered to be necessary. As you said; they have been inactive. Possibly, they are not the only ones. You are equally able to lie or omit information as RGL is.
PupsiMaxSeems to me like RGL staff were upset that they were wrong and that my appeal was so detailed (it included our lease agreement, my change of address form, our drivers licenses, a picture of us together, gameplay of me and her playing together, and proof that the gameplay took place after the date listed in my change of address form, as well as mail addressed to both of us at the same address.)
How did you forget the blood and urine samples?
[quote=PupsiMax]Seems to me like RGL staff were upset that they were wrong and that my appeal was so detailed (it included our lease agreement, my change of address form, our drivers licenses, a picture of us together, gameplay of me and her playing together, and proof that the gameplay took place after the date listed in my change of address form, as well as mail addressed to both of us at the same address.)[/quote]
How did you forget the blood and urine samples?
How did you forget the blood and urine samples?
NoNoeWayYou seem to be moving the goalpost by saying that "oh they're old though!". Just because you two are separate people does not mean you were incapable of any wrongdoing.
Even if you give RGL the benefit of the doubt and assume they were both alts I used to deliberately smurf in their league, it doesn't apply here. Like I've said many times, I no longer play competitive tf2 and I have no plans to ever return. They can permaban me for all I care. But we've proven with all the evidence we can, including legal government documents, that we are different people. Why is my roommate still permabanned?
[quote=NoNoeWay]You seem to be moving the goalpost by saying that "oh they're old though!". Just because you two are separate people does not mean you were incapable of any wrongdoing.[/quote]
Even if you give RGL the benefit of the doubt and assume they were both alts I used to deliberately smurf in their league, it doesn't apply here. Like I've said many times, I no longer play competitive tf2 and I have no plans to ever return. They can permaban me for all I care. But we've proven with all the evidence we can, including legal government documents, that we are different people. Why is my roommate still permabanned?
Even if you give RGL the benefit of the doubt and assume they were both alts I used to deliberately smurf in their league, it doesn't apply here. Like I've said many times, I no longer play competitive tf2 and I have no plans to ever return. They can permaban me for all I care. But we've proven with all the evidence we can, including legal government documents, that we are different people. Why is my roommate still permabanned?
NoNoeWayI would be more sympathetic but some parts are not adding up. You didn't actually say whether these alts are yours (or your roommates) or not, so are they? Why this many accounts?
I wasn't 100% on everything at the time, I found out late at night, and I didn't know how much I wanted to share yet. I can fill in the gaps the best I can with the information I've been told now, but my roommate isn't home right now and some things may be inaccurate.
Nitsta was the original steam account of my roommate, which is why all the competitions on the account are older than the main account. She at one point decided to switch the steam accounts she was using in rgl. She played multiple seasons of prolander and highlander on this new account, and nothing was ever brought up. The Dergoo account is actually neither of us, it's a mutual acquaintance that I met in a discord server my roommate was running at the time, I think it was before 2020? My memory is a little hazy. I'm trying to find if I have any way of contacting them still, but nevertheless they're a completely separate person from me and Krow. I don't know what I can do to prove that it's a different person until I contact them, but I can 100% promise that it's a different person entirely.
[quote=NoNoeWay]I would be more sympathetic but some parts are not adding up. You didn't actually say whether these alts are yours (or your roommates) or not, so are they? Why this many accounts? [/quote]
I wasn't 100% on everything at the time, I found out late at night, and I didn't know how much I wanted to share yet. I can fill in the gaps the best I can with the information I've been told now, but my roommate isn't home right now and some things may be inaccurate.
Nitsta was the original steam account of my roommate, which is why all the competitions on the account are older than the main account. She at one point decided to switch the steam accounts she was using in rgl. She played multiple seasons of prolander and highlander on this new account, and nothing was ever brought up. The Dergoo account is actually neither of us, it's a mutual acquaintance that I met in a discord server my roommate was running at the time, I think it was before 2020? My memory is a little hazy. I'm trying to find if I have any way of contacting them still, but nevertheless they're a completely separate person from me and Krow. I don't know what I can do to prove that it's a different person until I contact them, but I can 100% promise that it's a different person entirely.
I wasn't 100% on everything at the time, I found out late at night, and I didn't know how much I wanted to share yet. I can fill in the gaps the best I can with the information I've been told now, but my roommate isn't home right now and some things may be inaccurate.
Nitsta was the original steam account of my roommate, which is why all the competitions on the account are older than the main account. She at one point decided to switch the steam accounts she was using in rgl. She played multiple seasons of prolander and highlander on this new account, and nothing was ever brought up. The Dergoo account is actually neither of us, it's a mutual acquaintance that I met in a discord server my roommate was running at the time, I think it was before 2020? My memory is a little hazy. I'm trying to find if I have any way of contacting them still, but nevertheless they're a completely separate person from me and Krow. I don't know what I can do to prove that it's a different person until I contact them, but I can 100% promise that it's a different person entirely.
Why did it take you almost a whole day to clarify that the additional alt accounts in RGL's final response are not yours? It took that long to come up with a believable story?
If you were truly innocent of alting, and they said here are two previous alt accounts you used, your first and most important reaction would have been "those aren't mine, I don't know whose accounts those are". Instead in your post you focus on how old and inactive they are and comparing them to your roommate's account, which is irrelevant, and only when someone pointed out the holes in your story you come up with some clarification about how they're associated with your roommate. Which is still irrelevant information if you're arguing about your own alting ban, not hers.
The most charitable interpretation here is that your inability to focus on relevant facts is hindering your attempts at arguing your case to RGL.
Why did it take you almost a whole day to clarify that the additional alt accounts in RGL's final response are not yours? It took that long to come up with a believable story?
If you were truly innocent of alting, and they said here are two previous alt accounts you used, your first and most important reaction would have been "those aren't mine, I don't know whose accounts those are". Instead in your post you focus on how old and inactive they are and comparing them to your roommate's account, which is irrelevant, and only when someone pointed out the holes in your story you come up with some clarification about how they're associated with your roommate. Which is still irrelevant information if you're arguing about your own alting ban, not hers.
The most charitable interpretation here is that your inability to focus on relevant facts is hindering your attempts at arguing your case to RGL.
If you were truly innocent of alting, and they said here are two previous alt accounts you used, your first and most important reaction would have been "those aren't mine, I don't know whose accounts those are". Instead in your post you focus on how old and inactive they are and comparing them to your roommate's account, which is irrelevant, and only when someone pointed out the holes in your story you come up with some clarification about how they're associated with your roommate. Which is still irrelevant information if you're arguing about your own alting ban, not hers.
The most charitable interpretation here is that your inability to focus on relevant facts is hindering your attempts at arguing your case to RGL.
I would like to know why you think they suspect dergoo is your alt.
I would like to know why you think they suspect dergoo is your alt.
shelz0rWhy did it take you almost a whole day to clarify that the additional alt accounts in RGL's final response are not yours? It took that long to come up with a believable story?
No I was pugging. Before anyone said anything about me taking a long time replying to this, arcadia already made their final decision, so I thought thread was just going to die so I stopped checking.
shelz0rIf you were truly innocent of alting, and they said here are two previous alt accounts you used, your first and most important reaction would have been "those aren't mine, I don't know whose accounts those are". Instead in your post you focus on how old and inactive they are and comparing them to your roommate's account, which is irrelevant, and only when someone pointed out the holes in your story you come up with some clarification about how they're associated with your roommate. Which is still irrelevant information if you're arguing about your own alting ban, not hers.
I'm not banned for alting, I'm banned for being an alt account, my roommate is the one that's banned for alting. I assumed that the email that was sent to me regarding the ban was written as if it assumed it was addressing my roommate, and not me, which is why I framed my counterarguments like that.
Either way, both me and my roommate are reachable on discord if either you or NoNoeWay want to talk to us yourselves. I asked her to join this morning.
[quote=shelz0r]Why did it take you almost a whole day to clarify that the additional alt accounts in RGL's final response are not yours? It took that long to come up with a believable story?[/quote]
No I was pugging. Before anyone said anything about me taking a long time replying to this, arcadia already made their final decision, so I thought thread was just going to die so I stopped checking.
[quote=shelz0r]If you were truly innocent of alting, and they said here are two previous alt accounts you used, your first and most important reaction would have been "those aren't mine, I don't know whose accounts those are". Instead in your post you focus on how old and inactive they are and comparing them to your roommate's account, which is irrelevant, and only when someone pointed out the holes in your story you come up with some clarification about how they're associated with your roommate. Which is still irrelevant information if you're arguing about your own alting ban, not hers.[/quote]
I'm not banned for alting, I'm banned for being an alt account, my roommate is the one that's banned for alting. I assumed that the email that was sent to me regarding the ban was written as if it assumed it was addressing my roommate, and not me, which is why I framed my counterarguments like that.
Either way, both me and my roommate are reachable on discord if either you or NoNoeWay want to talk to us yourselves. I asked her to join this morning.
No I was pugging. Before anyone said anything about me taking a long time replying to this, arcadia already made their final decision, so I thought thread was just going to die so I stopped checking.
[quote=shelz0r]If you were truly innocent of alting, and they said here are two previous alt accounts you used, your first and most important reaction would have been "those aren't mine, I don't know whose accounts those are". Instead in your post you focus on how old and inactive they are and comparing them to your roommate's account, which is irrelevant, and only when someone pointed out the holes in your story you come up with some clarification about how they're associated with your roommate. Which is still irrelevant information if you're arguing about your own alting ban, not hers.[/quote]
I'm not banned for alting, I'm banned for being an alt account, my roommate is the one that's banned for alting. I assumed that the email that was sent to me regarding the ban was written as if it assumed it was addressing my roommate, and not me, which is why I framed my counterarguments like that.
Either way, both me and my roommate are reachable on discord if either you or NoNoeWay want to talk to us yourselves. I asked her to join this morning.
capnnofapnI would like to know why you think they suspect dergoo is your alt.
I literally couldn't tell you, neither of us knew them that well. Literal friend of a friend situation. Going to start to reach out to their old teammates at this point.
[quote=capnnofapn]I would like to know why you think they suspect dergoo is your alt.[/quote]
I literally couldn't tell you, neither of us knew them that well. Literal friend of a friend situation. Going to start to reach out to their old teammates at this point.
I literally couldn't tell you, neither of us knew them that well. Literal friend of a friend situation. Going to start to reach out to their old teammates at this point.
Your counterarguments for the benefit of your roommate are irrelevant to your case that you are a separate person from your roommate.
PupsiMaxEither way, both me and my roommate are reachable on discord if either you or NoNoeWay want to talk to us yourselves. I asked her to join this morning.
Not necessary. We're not the people you need to convince. As you've probably noticed, for the purposes of TF2CC we've determined it to be fine to let you play pugs on your account.
Your counterarguments for the benefit of your roommate are irrelevant to your case that you are a separate person from your roommate.
[quote=PupsiMax]Either way, both me and my roommate are reachable on discord if either you or NoNoeWay want to talk to us yourselves. I asked her to join this morning.[/quote]
Not necessary. We're not the people you need to convince. As you've probably noticed, for the purposes of TF2CC we've determined it to be fine to let you play pugs on your account.
[quote=PupsiMax]Either way, both me and my roommate are reachable on discord if either you or NoNoeWay want to talk to us yourselves. I asked her to join this morning.[/quote]
Not necessary. We're not the people you need to convince. As you've probably noticed, for the purposes of TF2CC we've determined it to be fine to let you play pugs on your account.
shelz0rYour counterarguments for the benefit of your roommate are irrelevant to your case that you are a separate person from your roommate.
I understand that, but RGL doesn't see it that way. My official ban reason is that I am an alt account, they do not see me and my roommate as 2 separate individuals, they are convinced that I am her. My ban is a consequence of her ban, not the other way around. I'm just pointing out the flaws in their logic when I argue for my roommate.
I have done all that I could possibly physically do to prove that I am a separate person, but they refuse to acknowledge it/state that it's not enough evidence.
But just to say one more time in the most concise fashion I can, I personally, PupsiMax, have nothing to do with the accounts Natista or Dergoo, as they are not me, and they are not accused of being me, they are accused of being my roommate. Natista is my roommate's old account that she played on before moving to the Olivia account, and Dergoo is just a friend of a friend of ours that has seemingly disappeared off the face of the map for nearly 2 years now, with no one being able to contact them.
As my roommate said, though, this is all irrelevant because those accounts are being accused of being my roommate's account, not mine. We've done our best to prove that we are not the same person, and RGL just simply doesn't believe it.
We obviously can't post the evidence we used in the ban appeal since it contains so much sensitive information, maybe if I censored out everything that could get us doxxed? But then I could be accused of withholding evidence or information or something. Maybe it would be enough to prove it would be to pug together? But even then, people could just say that she found someone to play on my account or vice versa. Maybe I could make a YouTube video documenting everything from start to finish and proofread by others? Sure, but it would take so long to make with both of our schedules that it would just be seen as starting up drama, and arcadia said to me directly that doing something like that wouldn't help my case at all. So, whatever.
[quote=shelz0r]Your counterarguments for the benefit of your roommate are irrelevant to your case that you are a separate person from your roommate.[/quote]
I understand that, but RGL doesn't see it that way. My official ban reason is that I am an alt account, they do not see me and my roommate as 2 separate individuals, they are convinced that I am her. My ban is a consequence of her ban, not the other way around. I'm just pointing out the flaws in their logic when I argue for my roommate.
I have done all that I could possibly physically do to prove that I am a separate person, but they refuse to acknowledge it/state that it's not enough evidence.
But just to say one more time in the most concise fashion I can, I personally, PupsiMax, have nothing to do with the accounts Natista or Dergoo, as they are not me, and they are not accused of being me, they are accused of being my roommate. Natista is my roommate's old account that she played on before moving to the Olivia account, and Dergoo is just a friend of a friend of ours that has seemingly disappeared off the face of the map for nearly 2 years now, with no one being able to contact them.
As my roommate said, though, this is all irrelevant because those accounts are being accused of being my [i]roommate's[/i] account, not mine. We've done our best to prove that we are not the same person, and RGL just simply doesn't believe it.
We obviously can't post the evidence we used in the ban appeal since it contains so much sensitive information, maybe if I censored out everything that could get us doxxed? But then I could be accused of withholding evidence or information or something. Maybe it would be enough to prove it would be to pug together? But even then, people could just say that she found someone to play on my account or vice versa. Maybe I could make a YouTube video documenting everything from start to finish and proofread by others? Sure, but it would take so long to make with both of our schedules that it would just be seen as starting up drama, and arcadia said to me directly that doing something like that wouldn't help my case at all. So, whatever.
I understand that, but RGL doesn't see it that way. My official ban reason is that I am an alt account, they do not see me and my roommate as 2 separate individuals, they are convinced that I am her. My ban is a consequence of her ban, not the other way around. I'm just pointing out the flaws in their logic when I argue for my roommate.
I have done all that I could possibly physically do to prove that I am a separate person, but they refuse to acknowledge it/state that it's not enough evidence.
But just to say one more time in the most concise fashion I can, I personally, PupsiMax, have nothing to do with the accounts Natista or Dergoo, as they are not me, and they are not accused of being me, they are accused of being my roommate. Natista is my roommate's old account that she played on before moving to the Olivia account, and Dergoo is just a friend of a friend of ours that has seemingly disappeared off the face of the map for nearly 2 years now, with no one being able to contact them.
As my roommate said, though, this is all irrelevant because those accounts are being accused of being my [i]roommate's[/i] account, not mine. We've done our best to prove that we are not the same person, and RGL just simply doesn't believe it.
We obviously can't post the evidence we used in the ban appeal since it contains so much sensitive information, maybe if I censored out everything that could get us doxxed? But then I could be accused of withholding evidence or information or something. Maybe it would be enough to prove it would be to pug together? But even then, people could just say that she found someone to play on my account or vice versa. Maybe I could make a YouTube video documenting everything from start to finish and proofread by others? Sure, but it would take so long to make with both of our schedules that it would just be seen as starting up drama, and arcadia said to me directly that doing something like that wouldn't help my case at all. So, whatever.
Hello I'm the roommate and what my friend says is true, he did not alt, it was dergoo on my account. Please unban him rgl
sincerely the roommate
Hello I'm the roommate and what my friend says is true, he did not alt, it was dergoo on my account. Please unban him rgl
sincerely the roommate
sincerely the roommate
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