http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tfcompetitive/discussions/0/405692224228876938/

I know that the program is trustworthy, but saying there's no problem because people can circumvent the system is a joke.

dude in comment quoted your embarrassing thread. that was funnier than your post.

:)

Right but it's so easy to circumvent this system, especially for people who really want it. Are you expecting a perfect system for beta access? Haven't these kind of things always been lottery like

What was so embarrassing I thought it was great. Well at least the first half.

please stop the hate

So what you're saying is that the extra conditions for being prioritized literally just inconvenience people who don't have smurfs? I mean, people with smurfs are obviously just going to circumvent the system and maximize their chances of getting in with at least one account. What about people without smurfs?

If I wanted to have priority I would just circumvent the system. The point is that the restrictions don't accomplish anything and needlessly inconvenience the people they're supposed to benefit, because they can be circumvented. Even if they worked as intended they would be effectively the same as prioritizing people with very active accounts.

oops I worded that wrong ive edited it to "wtf who is this attention whoring butthurt kid in that thread"

I think the fact that you're still arguing over "actual tf2" is telling of how unprepared you are for this

there's no banlists. widowmaker/gunslinger engineer is allowed. tomislav/sandvich/GRU heavy is allowed. shortstop/crit-a-cola/atomizer scout is allowed. shit, for at least the first month, three scouts two demomen and a medic is allowed. there is not a single thing that you've seen in competitive 6s that will start off as wild as this will

soda popper has higher dps, higher burst dmg and if you run for 13 seconds you can jump 6 times for 10 seconds...

shortstop has no damage falloff when you use it with the crit-a-cola, is the important bit. you get a burst-fire pistol that can take down a demoman in a single clip from a consistent mid-range

unprepared ?
LOL theres a shitstorm coming with all the ramdomness and variables that are being introduced with all the stupid blacklisted items that were blacklisted in the first place because of how bad, unfair and not fun they were, and people are so happy about it, some items just simply cannot be balanced they just shouldnt exist, im ready for the shitstorm thats coming, are you ?
why are people so eager to get a beta pass ? you just enter a server and play 6s with all the items, you can do that now you know ?
i just want the client update thats supposed to be coming with some performance improvements and some long awaited bug fixes, if there´s actually one coming and not just an added button to the main menu

http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html?trid=TRYDWLQ1519478A37A

youre all clowning if you think its going to be a ranked 6v6 pub.

thats the road overwatch seems to be going and its awful.

I don't think Valve is blind to the fact structured gameplay = good competition.

So you think the route OW's meta is going is bad? Genuinely curious.

Just because you can use the SDA as an authenticator doesn't mean you can circumvent the system. The limiting factor has always been phone numbers.

Considering that dota and csgo have something like 10x the population of this steam group on at any given time and ranked matchmaking usually takes around 3-5 minutes all this authenticator nonsense probably won't be a big deal, unless they think people sitting around waiting in queue for absurd amounts of time trying to find a match is a great idea, they're going to need to throw a lot of players into this if they want people actually to be able to play it on demand.

Imagine playing a game of Dota, where some classes required intense micro (maybe a tinker), and some classes required at least one hand (sniper in 6.83) and then you gave the tinker just a blink dagger, and you gave the sniper a rapier, mask of madness, bkb and blink.

Then turn that game into an fps. Remove all concepts of balanced cooldowns, remove all concepts of hero/map ingenuity, and remove any concept of rewarding aim, and then put yourself on pl_badwater. Except instead of there being stairways to get to the roof of B, only soldiers can get up there by rocket jumping, and the only stairway up there involves walking through the RED spawn. You keep trying to take B, but instead of being able to frag or shoot anything, you have to rely on your teammates to have the most ridiculously well timed coordination to achieve anything. If your team doesn't have a medic or a shield, you'rve already lost because the game doesn't have any concept of ammo, and none of the weapons are balanced from even the point of view of reload speed so there is literally a neverending plethora of spam coming at you every 5 out of 6 seconds.

Blizzard has neglected to address the competitive aspects of the game. They added some dumb ass cvars that are only toggleable by leaving your game to go to a main menu. There are no dedicated servers, there is no console. Everything this game stands for is literally an overpriced console shooter with microtransactions. You join a game saying 'wow I want to play a fun class (like soldier scout or demoman) but the enemy team is full of pyros, and only pyros. Pyros that have airblast, rocket jumps, infinite health, sentry guns, and long range projectictles. And you know you can beat the pyros by playing ONLY engineer, or ONLY heavy but why would you want to do that... you're an fps player, with good aim, and good movement, who doesn't get rewarded by it because the game was designed to be played with an xbox controller.

That's what overwatch feels like. People hyping this game are blinded by the concept of personal success. You can be a top streamer or player, sure. And there will be tournaments. But being on a top overwatch team is going to feel like being on a top heros of the storm team. Sure you're the best at something, but that something isn't respectable.

Blizzard has time to fix the game, but the way it is now, it's a joke. I'm sure I'm in the minority saying TF2 will pick up with matchmaking and money will find a way to flow in, but if there's one thing Valve has never taken lightly it's esports. Anyone who has been to a TI will tell you its a ridiculous environment. Everything is on point, the prizes are paid immediately, the atmosphere is incredible, and the schedule/hotel/verything is top notch.

Blizzard fucked up. They made a MOBA FPS called Titan, led by no other than Jeff Kaplan. The game flopped. They didn't fire him. They instead gave him a second chance to turn their MOBA into overwatch. Now theres just a bunch of lore filled bullshit scattered throughout the game. It's trying to be everything and instead its nothing. From a MOBA pov, its awful, and from an FPS pov, it's also awful.

I think if Paragon/Battleborn/Paladins get some GOOD developer support and in game economy going, overwatch will fade out.

Sorry for the rant. Feel free to ask me for my opinion in more depth. I'm sure I'll get flamed regardless, but yeah TLDR the game's awful.

very well put flame

How dare you insult that game! It has a whole 20 tic rate!

But seriously, it's been a general consensus that it's not a real competitive shooter; it's more of a moba in first person/third person. And that's why I haven't been able to enjoy the game as much as I have TF2. Got into weekend beta only to stop playing the afternoon next day because it didn't really play as good as a normal moba or FPS. It will still be successful because Blizzard though, and I really doubt any other game can compete with that fanbase aside from Valve.

Also anyone who thinks I'm like Valve fanboy status or anything I've literally been sending Blizzard forums/devs emails with suggestions to fix all of the awful core concepts of the game.

Theyre ignorant to it. The only 2 classes they've patched are the 2 turret classes. And they are firm on the concept of their medic class beign able to instantly revive the entire team.

The game probably won't be able to be saved until it has a new lead designer.

I'm actually in agreement with pretty much all your points and I'm glad there are other people having that opinion after the whole hype phase has died down a bit where you can have a conversation.

And something from the get go that I've also had gripes about besides it's essential destruction of competitive FPS concepts is its current impossibly chaotic and clusterfucky spectator and in-game player design.

I honestly have no idea how it's going to be casted or viewed in any manner currently as the only HUD element they've added that has at all clarified what the fuck is happening in game is a killfeed which is decent.

BUT not only is that the only current HUD element that is useful for spectating in any manner it is also the only current hud element useful for playing as the scoreboard and default huds are just the most aids things I've ever seen.

the ui for playing is just as bad as the ui for spectating. I'd dive into deeper explanations to what I mean but the game is lacking on literally every front. All it has going for it is the Blizzard budget. It's actually an insult to esports and game developers everywhere.

You look at some of the best games to come out in the past 5 years - Skyrim, Fallout 4, The Witcher 3, GTA V. They are all fantastic games and (edit) SOME of them were lower budget by a landslide than Overwatch. Overwatch is in no way comparable to any of them, on any front. I had more fun playing Evolve with bloodsire when that was in beta, than I do playing this. It's actually insane.

It's like someone sucked all of the talent out of Blizzard, that or the game just has no direction, and its 100% the fault of the game design team.

wtf how does Overwatch have a bigger budget than GTA V. I though GTA V was the most expensive video game to be made.

I guess it is until the point of release. Don't forget that GTA V was released in 2013. OW is yet to be released yet, so the budget might still be being increased.

-citation needed-

u can downfrag but citation is still needed