Download: koth_bagel_fall_b7

b7 changelog
The clipping above the turbines was poorly conveyed and intrusive to jumping soldiers. It has been pared back and marked better.
-Improved clipping around top of turbines
-Added pipe to better visualise clipping

https://tf2maps.net/attachments/b6_promo-png.121693/

Download: koth_bagel_fall_b6a

b6 changelog
-Massive clipping and decluttering pass
-Replaced a bunch of placeholder crates with closer to final crates
-Switched a few blockbullets clips over to invisible displacements. This was done for backend reasons but additionally it functions like a blockbullets brush that only affects explosives, so bullets will no longer disappear in those spots.
-Adjusted fade distances on a lot of props to make them less jarring
-Improved lighting on blu concrete
-Minor detail adjustments

b6a
-Fixed a couple edges players could become stuck in

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/420268109317013514/701164437091909833/bagel_update_promo.png

Download: koth_bagel_fall_b5

Making some various visual and polish updates to this map for the first time in a couple years.

I'll look into removing that crate next update as I'm not sure it's needed any more.
I am unlikely to check this thread too often, but feel free to let me know about QoL fixes/small things.
(Keep in mind most planned updates are purely visual/polish, this map is pretty far beyond making big sweeping changes at this point)

b4:
-The central cap tower is now a large liquid Australium power core.
-On either side of mid are turbine pumps, which turn on and off as the point changes hands, and draw australium from the core. Over the duration of a match you will notice the rotors turn on and the shaft slowly fill with liquid australium.
-The turbines occupy previously problem areas. Little corners with sniper sightline issues, awkward geometry to navigate, and bland visuals. Hopefully the turbines solve a number of problems here.

b5:
Capturing the point will now cause the tower and capturing team's turbine to vent Australium steam
-New custom golden steam particles
-Steam venting makes audible sound
-Turbines now hum while active

Sorry to bump but I'd like to hear how this version plays!

It does but its complicated and nowhere near viable to do for every spot

wallbugs are an engine bug not a map bug, and therefore by definition can neither be intended by the mapmaker, nor receive more than a bandaid fix by the mapmaker

other exploits and hiding spots are ambiguous but wallbugs are 100% never intended

Experimental post-Halloween version
Download: koth_bagel_fall_b2
Download: koth_bagel_fall_b3
EDIT: The lighting on b2 had an overpowering orange tint that made team recognition difficult, so I updated to a newer version with better lighting/visuals

Some of you probably played Cauldron (bagel_event) during Scream Fortress and noticed that there were some layout changes. These were ideas I'd been considering for a while but didn't want to waste an official version trying, so I made them on the Halloween version.

I've now de-halloweened it (actually I did this last year but didn't finish it) so that you can try out the changes and see which ones are beneficial to the map, and which aren't.

Changelog (compared to standard bagel):
Major
-Artstyle overhaul - NOT FINAL
-Centred Spawn building in Yard
-Opened Concrete entirely
-Changed Ramp into a slightly longer flank that no longer gives people holding in House visibility to Valley.
-House changed to accommodate this
-Added boiler housing to Ramp exit/Valley, providing additional cover and an easier jump route from Valley to Mid for scouts
-Climb route in Lobby replaced with a vent ~jump pad~ #controversial
-Added A Thing on Balcony, blocking snipers from holding too many angles from House at once, and acting as a perch spot for soldiers
-Buffed health on wood to Medium
Minor
-Clutter/cover changes around the map
-Various changes for visuals
-Added small platform jutting out from Mid on each side (this wasn't even in Cauldron and mostly I just hope it isn't invasive)

Screenshots:

Sunshine was added officially but Millstone (hellstone), Moonshine, Fifthcurve (brimstone) and Maple Ridge weren't.

Sunshine being added officially may have had something to do with being a competitive staple at the time, during a competitive update.

But! If people like Bagel a lot then hey maybe! I can dream!

i wish lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbsafNyUyuQ

Goo is genuinely the reason I took any notice of competitive or decided to map for it.

Thanks! It's kinda surreal honestly.

There's some changes I experimented with in the halloween version that I'd be interested on hearing opinions about, such as the modified flank and the more central spawn.

if yall get this bug pls post pics so i can send em to valve and prove this bug exists so they can fix it lmao

That's your experience. This may be surprising to you but everyone is different and reacts differently to different things. For a lot of people it just saps the fun out of it.

If you want a scene that only caters to people who like hurling abuse at each other, that's gonna severely limit who can and can't participate.

I don't think people inside the scene realise the reputation Competitive TF2 has, thanks to attitudes like Pred's and the (seemingly) overwhelming acceptance of it by the rest of the scene.

When (to outsiders) your scene is defined by racism and toxicity, the only people you're gonna be able to convince to join it are people who share those attitudes, people who tolerate them, or people who somehow avoided learning of the reputation.

If the scene starts making permanent changes like these, toward trying to stamp out those attitudes, it will become much easier to convince new players to get involved.

It's a shame it took multiple high-profile cases for people to reconsider how the competitive scene deals with its behaviour problems, but I'm glad its finally happening and hope that there's real, permanent change as a result.

All the efforts made to get new players involved in competitive are wasted until the scene can shed its reputation of being the most vile, toxic part of the TF2 community, and I wish you all good luck in doing that.