SetsulI wouldn't buy by brand. Neither Noctua nor Seasonic are always the best choice nor is the RMx series bad. That's the one Corsair part in the whole build I don't dislike for being Corsair but rather because 850W are wholly unnecessary.
Generally I thought of those brands offering comparably more expensive parts which was why I mentioned them to highlight the cost of origin config. But yeah you're right.
indigosummer
What size are you looking for?
Are we talking like a Fractal Design Nano S or like a DanCases A4? Without a size limitation it's hard to know what stuff can fit in without problems. If you want as small as possible you want it like the DanCases A4, but you are going to need mini ITX motherboards, which isnt ideal for numerous reasons.
Have a browse through PC Partpicker's case selection. Some niche small cases might not be on there though but generally you can find something there, probably only looking at mini/micro atx type.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/case/
Ryzen is pretty power efficient, but Intel can be just as power efficient too, maybe uses a bit more power.
A R5 3600 or 3700X are good choices for AMD because they are low TDP parts
Maybe you could get away with an i5 9600kf for Intel
but depending on the case you chose depends on the processor you can put in it because you need space to cool it.
I assume high frames means around 120fps and you are on a 1080p monitor.
You'll probably be fine with a 1660 SUPER or a 5500 XT if you just want 1080p low for all the games you play (or even the GPU you have now), but you need to be a bit more specific about what 'mainstream' titles you want to play and the settings you want, because that's a bit too vague for a solid choice.
[quote=Setsul]I wouldn't buy by brand. Neither Noctua nor Seasonic are always the best choice nor is the RMx series bad. That's the one Corsair part in the whole build I don't dislike for being Corsair but rather because 850W are wholly unnecessary.[/quote]
Generally I thought of those brands offering comparably more expensive parts which was why I mentioned them to highlight the cost of origin config. But yeah you're right.
[quote=indigosummer][/quote]
What size are you looking for?
Are we talking like a Fractal Design Nano S or like a DanCases A4? Without a size limitation it's hard to know what stuff can fit in without problems. If you want as small as possible you want it like the DanCases A4, but you are going to need mini ITX motherboards, which isnt ideal for numerous reasons.
Have a browse through PC Partpicker's case selection. Some niche small cases might not be on there though but generally you can find something there, probably only looking at mini/micro atx type.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/case/
Ryzen is pretty power efficient, but Intel can be just as power efficient too, maybe uses a bit more power.
A R5 3600 or 3700X are good choices for AMD because they are low TDP parts
Maybe you could get away with an i5 9600kf for Intel
but depending on the case you chose depends on the processor you can put in it because you need space to cool it.
I assume high frames means around 120fps and you are on a 1080p monitor.
You'll probably be fine with a 1660 SUPER or a 5500 XT if you just want 1080p low for all the games you play (or even the GPU you have now), but you need to be a bit more specific about what 'mainstream' titles you want to play and the settings you want, because that's a bit too vague for a solid choice.
SetsulI can see not reusing the mobo (and therefore the CPU) but unless you want to sell the old PC as is I'd at least consider reusing the GPU, HDD/SSD and PSU.
I am most likely selling it to my brother, but I might keep my SSD and HDD, and possibly the GPU if he wants to replace it, if not I will be buying a new one.
Setsul"Ryzen" is even less specific and useful than "i7". If you don't at least have a few specific models in mind and are aware of what the other options are this is the same as the old "I'll buy Intel because I like Intel, that's what my old pc uses". If you ever rule out half of your options because you've "heard good things" about the other half you need to take a step back and reconsider.
I was leaning more towards the 2600/3600 ryzen cpu chips because more cores + more threads is more cost effective and for future proofing. I just don't see the point in staying intel unless they slash prices more. I also helped my cousin build his PC last year, and he is using the 2600 without any issues. Very good CPU for the price he spent on it, and he plays titles similar to me with the same constraints I'll mention later.
https://old.reddit.com/r/bapcsalescanada/comments/f9od9q/cpu_amd_ryzen_5_3600_27999_5200_22799_mikes/
https://old.reddit.com/r/bapcsalescanada/comments/f8n3m3/cpu_amd_ryzen_3600_6_core_22999_5_shipping/
The 3600 has gone on sale multiple times for ~235 CAD, another reason why I was looking to buy a ryzen cpu, I don't see many deals of intel cpus at the moment.
SetsulGPU or CPU encoding?
What are "high frames"?
If I were to reuse my old gpu I would use CPU encoding because I don't think my GPU can handle it, but I'm unsure if I will upgrade my GPU hence is why I neglected to mention it.
SetsulWhat does playing other maintstream titles without fps issues mean? There's a difference between getting a GPU one step above what you strictly need and getting one that's three times as expensive because you 60 fps on max settings in every game.
I am aiming for above ~144fps in tf2/counterstrike/quake with graphics configs and 60fps locked at medium quality for triple A titles like GTA or the witcher.
SetsulTake a look at the size of µATX cases. Especially the smaller ones. Don't go mini-ITX unless you really have to to get the build as small is you want it.
Just curious, why do you reccomend matx and not mini itx? ideally id want my cpu's footprint to be as small as possible to aid in transportation.
thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions, you really don't get enough praise for all the work you do for the tftv community.
[quote=Setsul]
I can see not reusing the mobo (and therefore the CPU) but unless you want to sell the old PC as is I'd at least consider reusing the GPU, HDD/SSD and PSU. [/quote]
I am most likely selling it to my brother, but I might keep my SSD and HDD, and possibly the GPU if he wants to replace it, if not I will be buying a new one.
[quote=Setsul]
"Ryzen" is even less specific and useful than "i7". If you don't at least have a few specific models in mind and are aware of what the other options are this is the same as the old "I'll buy Intel because I like Intel, that's what my old pc uses". If you ever rule out half of your options because you've "heard good things" about the other half you need to take a step back and reconsider. [/quote]
I was leaning more towards the 2600/3600 ryzen cpu chips because more cores + more threads is more cost effective and for future proofing. I just don't see the point in staying intel unless they slash prices more. I also helped my cousin build his PC last year, and he is using the 2600 without any issues. Very good CPU for the price he spent on it, and he plays titles similar to me with the same constraints I'll mention later.
https://old.reddit.com/r/bapcsalescanada/comments/f9od9q/cpu_amd_ryzen_5_3600_27999_5200_22799_mikes/
https://old.reddit.com/r/bapcsalescanada/comments/f8n3m3/cpu_amd_ryzen_3600_6_core_22999_5_shipping/
The 3600 has gone on sale multiple times for ~235 CAD, another reason why I was looking to buy a ryzen cpu, I don't see many deals of intel cpus at the moment.
[quote=Setsul]
GPU or CPU encoding?
What are "high frames"?
[/quote]
If I were to reuse my old gpu I would use CPU encoding because I don't think my GPU can handle it, but I'm unsure if I will upgrade my GPU hence is why I neglected to mention it.
[quote=Setsul]
What does playing other maintstream titles without fps issues mean? There's a difference between getting a GPU one step above what you strictly need and getting one that's three times as expensive because you 60 fps on max settings in every game.
[/quote]
I am aiming for above ~144fps in tf2/counterstrike/quake with graphics configs and 60fps locked at medium quality for triple A titles like GTA or the witcher.
[quote=Setsul]
Take a look at the size of µATX cases. Especially the smaller ones. Don't go mini-ITX unless you really have to to get the build as small is you want it.
[/quote]
Just curious, why do you reccomend matx and not mini itx? ideally id want my cpu's footprint to be as small as possible to aid in transportation.
thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions, you really don't get enough praise for all the work you do for the tftv community.
See, that already makes a difference for the budget.
There's obviously no reusing the PSU but we get some leeway to make the budget work if we're in a tight spot.
Well would you mind explaining how this "future proofing" works and why it's more cost effective? Because what you're actually doing is planning to buy a 3600 (please don't get a 2600 just because it "worked without any issues", that should be the bare minimum for any CPU and it's outdated now) because it's (significantly) cheaper although (not that much) slower in the games you'll play than a 9600K(F). The most cost-effective CPU would probably be a 50$ Pentium or Athlon. You're just looking for the best CPU at a price you're willing to pay. Don't get me wrong, you're on a budget so not wanting to pay 300 CAD for a 9600KF is perfectly reasonable, but that's got nothing to do with cost effectiveness. What applies to the 3600 in comparision with the 9600KF also applies to the 9350KF or 3400G in comparision to the 3600. You're trying to justify it as "future proofing" because "more threads = better" and surely one day there'll be a game where the 3600 beats the 9600KF therefore it must be the better CPU but really that's just lying to yourself.
In the end the 2600 worked well enough for your cousin so you'll buy a 3600 for yourself, ignoring all alternatives.
I mean right now the cheapest 9600KF costs 243.75$. https://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=51813535
Now let's hear why a 3600 for 14.25$ less is that much better or more cost effective.
On top of that I want to see how your future proofing works out when the 10600K(F) with 12 threads is released in April or May.
And in the opposite direction why do you need 12 threads? I can see the point of 12 or even 16 threads if you go with CPU encoding and if you reuse the GPU you could definitely afford such a CPU, but if you don't? Beyond "more threads = better" and nebulous claims of future proofing what do you get out of a 3600 that a higher clocked quad core (with or without SMT) can't do better for less?
Well but that is the question isn't it? With GPU encoding you could drop down to a cheaper CPU, with CPU encoding and no cost for reusing the GPU it would make sense not to stop at 6 cores but maybe get a 3700X for that extra oomph.
That seems reasonable. Roughly how much more fps you want in AAA titles compared with your current RX 470 (assuming you're not CPU limited) would also work for a decent estimate of what you'll need GPU wise.
From what I know a 470 should already get you 60 fps in Witcher 3 and GTA V on medium settings.
Mini-ITX mobos are more expensive and rather limited.
Mobos are also flat so SSDs, HDDs and potentially the PSU are right above them in some cases (really most small cases do that) so the space isn't wasted. The volume taken up by the CPU cooler is entirely unaffected by the mobo beneath it. If you're not specifically going for a very tiny case swapping a µATX mobo for a mini-ITX one can be like shrinking Kansas. It's all well and good that the mini-ITX mobo is only 170mm instead of 244mm but the case isn't going to get any shorter if you also want to fit a 290mm GPU in there.
Case in point I do get praise for what I do. Personally I think the amount is perfectly adequate.
See, that already makes a difference for the budget.
There's obviously no reusing the PSU but we get some leeway to make the budget work if we're in a tight spot.
Well would you mind explaining how this "future proofing" works and why it's more cost effective? Because what you're actually doing is planning to buy a 3600 (please don't get a 2600 just because it "worked without any issues", that should be the bare minimum for any CPU and it's outdated now) because it's (significantly) cheaper although (not that much) slower in the games you'll play than a 9600K(F). The most cost-effective CPU would probably be a 50$ Pentium or Athlon. You're just looking for the best CPU at a price you're willing to pay. Don't get me wrong, you're on a budget so not wanting to pay 300 CAD for a 9600KF is perfectly reasonable, but that's got nothing to do with cost effectiveness. What applies to the 3600 in comparision with the 9600KF also applies to the 9350KF or 3400G in comparision to the 3600. You're trying to justify it as "future proofing" because "more threads = better" and surely one day there'll be a game where the 3600 beats the 9600KF therefore it must be the better CPU but really that's just lying to yourself.
In the end the 2600 worked well enough for your cousin so you'll buy a 3600 for yourself, ignoring all alternatives.
I mean right now the cheapest 9600KF costs 243.75$. https://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=51813535
Now let's hear why a 3600 for 14.25$ less is that much better or more cost effective.
On top of that I want to see how your future proofing works out when the 10600K(F) with 12 threads is released in April or May.
And in the opposite direction why do you need 12 threads? I can see the point of 12 or even 16 threads if you go with CPU encoding and if you reuse the GPU you could definitely afford such a CPU, but if you don't? Beyond "more threads = better" and nebulous claims of future proofing what do you get out of a 3600 that a higher clocked quad core (with or without SMT) can't do better for less?
Well but that is the question isn't it? With GPU encoding you could drop down to a cheaper CPU, with CPU encoding and no cost for reusing the GPU it would make sense not to stop at 6 cores but maybe get a 3700X for that extra oomph.
That seems reasonable. Roughly how much more fps you want in AAA titles compared with your current RX 470 (assuming you're not CPU limited) would also work for a decent estimate of what you'll need GPU wise.
From what I know a 470 should already get you 60 fps in Witcher 3 and GTA V on medium settings.
Mini-ITX mobos are more expensive and rather limited.
Mobos are also flat so SSDs, HDDs and potentially the PSU are right above them in some cases (really most small cases do that) so the space isn't wasted. The volume taken up by the CPU cooler is entirely unaffected by the mobo beneath it. If you're not specifically going for a very tiny case swapping a µATX mobo for a mini-ITX one can be like shrinking Kansas. It's all well and good that the mini-ITX mobo is only 170mm instead of 244mm but the case isn't going to get any shorter if you also want to fit a 290mm GPU in there.
Case in point I do get praise for what I do. Personally I think the amount is perfectly adequate.
Thinking of buying these parts for using a daw and playing the newest games and tf2:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/pbvsvW
Any issues with them? Time matters so what can arrive in the next couple of days is selected.
Thinking of buying these parts for using a daw and playing the newest games and tf2:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/pbvsvW
Any issues with them? Time matters so what can arrive in the next couple of days is selected.
scrambledThinking of buying these parts for using a daw and playing the newest games and tf2:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/pbvsvW
Any issues with them? Time matters so what can arrive in the next couple of days is selected.
You are cutting it close a bit with the power supply. Maybe a 550W just to be safe but it should be fine.
Not familiar with that board, but it doesnt look that good honestly. 2 Ram slots, 2 pcie slots, and a bad VRM. thats the one thing i would change 100%. I would get something more expensive like an ASRock B450 Pro4, as the one you have is pretty barebones/bad.
2400MHz RAM is 2015 levels of performance. You can get 3200MHz for a couple pounds more and it will be way faster, especially for Ryzen (you can raise the infinity fabric clock in the bios now but RAM speed/latency still matters)
Hyper 212 is good but it isnt the best thing out there. I always say Noctua NH-U14S because their mounting system and support are excellent, but Scythe Mugen coolers, Cryorig H7 and BeQuiet! pure rock are basically the same performance but cheaper. This will allow the CPU boost higher naturally or allow for some manual overclocking. Either way your pc runs faster.
Not everyone does this but i like to buy a fan or 2 for some better airflow for the GPU, CPU and VRM. Can lower CPU temps by a few degrees and makes the system quieter.
[quote=scrambled]Thinking of buying these parts for using a daw and playing the newest games and tf2:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/pbvsvW
Any issues with them? Time matters so what can arrive in the next couple of days is selected.[/quote]
You are cutting it close a bit with the power supply. Maybe a 550W just to be safe but it should be fine.
Not familiar with that board, but it doesnt look that good honestly. 2 Ram slots, 2 pcie slots, and a bad VRM. thats the one thing i would change 100%. I would get something more expensive like an ASRock B450 Pro4, as the one you have is pretty barebones/bad.
2400MHz RAM is 2015 levels of performance. You can get 3200MHz for a couple pounds more and it will be way faster, especially for Ryzen (you can raise the infinity fabric clock in the bios now but RAM speed/latency still matters)
Hyper 212 is good but it isnt the best thing out there. I always say Noctua NH-U14S because their mounting system and support are excellent, but Scythe Mugen coolers, Cryorig H7 and BeQuiet! pure rock are basically the same performance but cheaper. This will allow the CPU boost higher naturally or allow for some manual overclocking. Either way your pc runs faster.
Not everyone does this but i like to buy a fan or 2 for some better airflow for the GPU, CPU and VRM. Can lower CPU temps by a few degrees and makes the system quieter.
Fake...
Thanks for your feedback :)
Updated: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/BFnXhg
Apparently the single core boost can push the cpu power draw way up so now have 550W psu, swapped out the ram and mobo for your suggestion. Kept the cooler because I'm really trying to save money as much as possible here.
[quote=Fake]...[/quote]
Thanks for your feedback :)
Updated: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/BFnXhg
Apparently the single core boost can push the cpu power draw way up so now have 550W psu, swapped out the ram and mobo for your suggestion. Kept the cooler because I'm really trying to save money as much as possible here.
Do you really need 32GB of RAM? That would be a nice way to save some money to put towards a better cooler or motherboard.
Do you really need 32GB of RAM? That would be a nice way to save some money to put towards a better cooler or motherboard.
Hey there I'm looking to spend a max of 1500 USD on my first PC build to upgrade from the ol' laptop. I'm considering the price of a monitor separately. The following list was made with the help of some friends and reading reviews so I'm hoping for second opinion(s).
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XTrfhg
I don't intend to overclock anything unless you guys would recommend it I guess, I don't exactly mind learning how
I have the rest of the peripherals I would want and as marked in the pcpartpicker, some storage already on hand that I use as an external with my laptop right now.
I intend to use the PC to primarily play games like the witcher, Nier, skyrim, code vein, MHW, tf2, and other games that are hopefully similar in requirements. I don't need the highest settings in game(s), but I do want to make use of the 2k 144hz i plan to buy as much as possible.
I plan to stream tf2, and probably the single player games as well, as much as that's possible, but I won't call it a hard requirement.
appreciate it, and any opinions on the monitor as well.
Hey there I'm looking to spend a max of 1500 USD on my first PC build to upgrade from the ol' laptop. I'm considering the price of a monitor separately. The following list was made with the help of some friends and reading reviews so I'm hoping for second opinion(s).
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XTrfhg
I don't intend to overclock anything unless you guys would recommend it I guess, I don't exactly mind learning how
I have the rest of the peripherals I would want and as marked in the pcpartpicker, some storage already on hand that I use as an external with my laptop right now.
I intend to use the PC to primarily play games like the witcher, Nier, skyrim, code vein, MHW, tf2, and other games that are hopefully similar in requirements. I don't need the highest settings in game(s), but I do want to make use of the 2k 144hz i plan to buy as much as possible.
I plan to stream tf2, and probably the single player games as well, as much as that's possible, but I won't call it a hard requirement.
appreciate it, and any opinions on the monitor as well.
_KermitDo you really need 32GB of RAM? That would be a nice way to save some money to put towards a better cooler or motherboard.
yeah, a daw uses crazy ram, if i could put more in i would
[quote=_Kermit]Do you really need 32GB of RAM? That would be a nice way to save some money to put towards a better cooler or motherboard.[/quote]
yeah, a daw uses crazy ram, if i could put more in i would
Hi all,
While everyone's stocking up on face masks and toilet paper, I'm doing the sensible thing and purchasing a new gaming PC to wait out the 14 day quarantine period if/when it happens.
My budget is preferably <$2500 AUD, with a max at <$3000 if need be.
Do you guys see any red flags with the below:
link
My plan is to still keep the GTX 1070 from my current PC, and upgrade at a later time if need be. I also plan to switch the power supply to the Corsair one with a 10 year warranty - as my power supply has died on both my previous builds.
My second option is to just go big with this one, (again, keeping my 1070, possibly lowering the RAM down to 16GB, plus ditching the fancy lighting to bring it roughly to the 3k mark, which was the upper end of my limit.
I use my PC daily, and will be planning on playing Doom Eternal and Cyberpunk when they release, plus TF2 on the side. My current PC is from 2015 (i7 4820k, OC'd to 4.3GHz) and have only upgraded the GPU in that time (GTX 760 - 1070). I'm still reasonably happy with how it runs, but think its time for a nice upgrade anyway.
So basically my questions are:
- Any red flags / improvements on the above builds?
- Is the i9 worth the price over the i7?
- I've been seeing replies of people suggesting the 3200MHz RAM, should I upgrade from the 3000MHz in these builds?
- Are these new GPU's worth the hype? I have been able to play all my games on MED-HIGH on my 1070, and am happy with the performance so far.
Thanks all.
Hi all,
While everyone's stocking up on face masks and toilet paper, I'm doing the sensible thing and purchasing a new gaming PC to wait out the 14 day quarantine period if/when it happens.
My budget is preferably <$2500 AUD, with a max at <$3000 if need be.
Do you guys see any red flags with the below:
[url=https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Ready-to-Run-PCs/Gaming-PC/76491-SS-AORUS2080S]link[/url]
My plan is to still keep the GTX 1070 from my current PC, and upgrade at a later time if need be. I also plan to switch the power supply to the [url=https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Power-Supplies/ATX/77958-CP-9020194-AU]Corsair one[/url] with a 10 year warranty - as my power supply has died on both my previous builds.
My second option is to just go big with [url=https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Ready-to-Run-PCs/Gaming-PC/75200-SS-VENG2080TIEX]this one[/url], (again, keeping my 1070, possibly lowering the RAM down to 16GB, plus ditching the fancy lighting to bring it roughly to the 3k mark, which was the upper end of my limit.
I use my PC daily, and will be planning on playing Doom Eternal and Cyberpunk when they release, plus TF2 on the side. My current PC is from 2015 (i7 4820k, OC'd to 4.3GHz) and have only upgraded the GPU in that time (GTX 760 - 1070). I'm still reasonably happy with how it runs, but think its time for a nice upgrade anyway.
So basically my questions are:
- Any red flags / improvements on the above builds?
- Is the i9 worth the price over the i7?
- I've been seeing replies of people suggesting the 3200MHz RAM, should I upgrade from the 3000MHz in these builds?
- Are these new GPU's worth the hype? I have been able to play all my games on MED-HIGH on my 1070, and am happy with the performance so far.
Thanks all.
Hi. Since my brother is back home for about a month or so at least due to the quarantine, we've been thinking about playing some online games together, but only my own pc is capable of running them smoothly.
Our father dug out an old prebuilt he had at his office that I was thinking could possibly be upgraded a bit for cheap to be able to run games like Apex, Overwatch and TF2 smoothly at 1080p60 (on low settings if necessary). Ideally we would like to keep the expenses under 250-300 euros overall. We already have peripherals.
The prebuilt itself is the following : ASUS K31CD-FR118T (CPU and RAM aside it's awful yes). Since it's an old model, if you can't find a specs sheet let me know and I'll try to find or make one myself.
The main points to me seemed to be the following : a GPU upgrade would be necessary (I was thinking RX 580 8G or GTX 1650 Super which are priced similarly) but would probably be too much for the 300W PSU, and maybe one more stick of RAM and/or an SSD could be useful, although I'd prefer not to have to reinstall Windows since our father has a lot of stuff stored or installed on this PC that he'd rather not have to move to external storage or reinstall on short notice.
Do you see any additional modifications I should consider ? Do the aforementioned seem reasonable to you ? I haven't yet looked at component size constraints.
Thanks in advance !
Hi. Since my brother is back home for about a month or so at least due to the quarantine, we've been thinking about playing some online games together, but only my own pc is capable of running them smoothly.
Our father dug out an old prebuilt he had at his office that I was thinking could possibly be upgraded a bit for cheap to be able to run games like Apex, Overwatch and TF2 smoothly at 1080p60 (on low settings if necessary). Ideally we would like to keep the expenses under 250-300 euros overall. We already have peripherals.
The prebuilt itself is the following : ASUS K31CD-FR118T (CPU and RAM aside it's awful yes). Since it's an old model, if you can't find a specs sheet let me know and I'll try to find or make one myself.
The main points to me seemed to be the following : a GPU upgrade would be necessary (I was thinking RX 580 8G or GTX 1650 Super which are priced similarly) but would probably be too much for the 300W PSU, and maybe one more stick of RAM and/or an SSD could be useful, although I'd prefer not to have to reinstall Windows since our father has a lot of stuff stored or installed on this PC that he'd rather not have to move to external storage or reinstall on short notice.
Do you see any additional modifications I should consider ? Do the aforementioned seem reasonable to you ? I haven't yet looked at component size constraints.
Thanks in advance !
#3559
Could still do better on the mobo and PSU. Is there a budget?
The cheapest cooler is the stock cooler. Unless you're going to overclock hard or want a particularly silent build it'll do. If you do want either of those the 212 Evo and cheaping out on the cooler in general are questionable.
#3561
Nothing obviously wrong.
NH-D15 might be overkill.
Not sure which part of the bait-and-switch-cycle of "good CX, bad CX" that particular CXM is.
CPU or GPU encoding for the streaming?
Haven't looked at the monitor yet. Hard to tell if it's what you want beyond being a 2k 144Hz monitor when that's the only requirement I've got to work with.
#3563
None of that is worth the price/hype if you're already happy with the performance you're getting. There is no improvement to be had. You're upgrading for the sake of upgrading, just to get rid of 3000$.
Everything is only getting faster/cheaper so why would you upgrade before you need to?
#3564
Long text. Looks interesting/complicated. Might require thinking. Sleep now. Thinking tomorrow.
EDIT:
Yeah, upgrading to dual channel should be fairly cheap even if it doesn't do that much and most of those games should be fine even with 8GB, so I'd do it if it's still within budget.
SSD seems unecessary, nice for loading times but not worth the effort, especially considering this isn't going to be a long term situation. If you do have one lying around or can afford it you can just use it as a second drive for the games. Should still speed up loading and it's not like that PC will be rebooted that often so shortening the wait for something that happens once a day isn't a priority. No need to reinstall windows.
GPU seems reasonable.
An aftermarket/factory overclocked 580 can easily draw over 200W so I'd say that's a hard no. It might technically be less than 300W total but with spikes, +5V rail and the cheap 300W OEM PSUs being what they are I wouldn't expect it to cope well with that.
1650S with just 100W TBP should actually be doable and most of them should be a bit short as well, so higher chance of finding one that actually fits inside the case. Check the PSU first though. If it's one of those terrible ancient leftovers with just 150W on the +12V rail and >100W on the +5V rail it's not going to work. Also check if it even got a PCIe 6-pin power connector.
#3559
Could still do better on the mobo and PSU. Is there a budget?
The cheapest cooler is the stock cooler. Unless you're going to overclock hard or want a particularly silent build it'll do. If you do want either of those the 212 Evo and cheaping out on the cooler in general are questionable.
#3561
Nothing obviously wrong.
NH-D15 might be overkill.
Not sure which part of the bait-and-switch-cycle of "good CX, bad CX" that particular CXM is.
CPU or GPU encoding for the streaming?
Haven't looked at the monitor yet. Hard to tell if it's what you want beyond being a 2k 144Hz monitor when that's the only requirement I've got to work with.
#3563
None of that is worth the price/hype if you're already happy with the performance you're getting. There is no improvement to be had. You're upgrading for the sake of upgrading, just to get rid of 3000$.
Everything is only getting faster/cheaper so why would you upgrade before you need to?
#3564
Long text. Looks interesting/complicated. Might require thinking. Sleep now. Thinking tomorrow.
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Yeah, upgrading to dual channel should be fairly cheap even if it doesn't do that much and most of those games should be fine even with 8GB, so I'd do it if it's still within budget.
SSD seems unecessary, nice for loading times but not worth the effort, especially considering this isn't going to be a long term situation. If you do have one lying around or can afford it you can just use it as a second drive for the games. Should still speed up loading and it's not like that PC will be rebooted that often so shortening the wait for something that happens once a day isn't a priority. No need to reinstall windows.
GPU seems reasonable.
An aftermarket/factory overclocked 580 can easily draw over 200W so I'd say that's a hard no. It might technically be less than 300W total but with spikes, +5V rail and the cheap 300W OEM PSUs being what they are I wouldn't expect it to cope well with that.
1650S with just 100W TBP should actually be doable and most of them should be a bit short as well, so higher chance of finding one that actually fits inside the case. Check the PSU first though. If it's one of those terrible ancient leftovers with just 150W on the +12V rail and >100W on the +5V rail it's not going to work. Also check if it even got a PCIe 6-pin power connector.
I can say with some certainty that the PSU on that doesnt have a 6PIN. Adapters are kind of sketchy, so I would instead go for the 75W 1650, which will work 100% with no extra cables needed. You would need a molex or SATA power to 6pin adapter if you wanted the 1650 Super.
The CPU upgrades make no sense honestly. The CPUs are overpriced on the used market and unless you want to gamble on a skylake xeon, which i wouldnt, the best you could hope for that is probably a 6700 or maybe if you update the bios a 7700, because your cooler is probably the horrible stock Intel cooler. You probably will gain more performance getting dual channel memory.
Windows 10 hates hard drives. It runs soooo slowly with a hard drive, to the point that i think an SSD in 2020 is a necessity. You can reuse the SSD in another system also so I think you should get a cheap WD Green or something.
I can say with some certainty that the PSU on that doesnt have a 6PIN. Adapters are kind of sketchy, so I would instead go for the 75W 1650, which will work 100% with no extra cables needed. You would need a molex or SATA power to 6pin adapter if you wanted the 1650 Super.
The CPU upgrades make no sense honestly. The CPUs are overpriced on the used market and unless you want to gamble on a skylake xeon, which i wouldnt, the best you could hope for that is probably a 6700 or maybe if you update the bios a 7700, because your cooler is probably the horrible stock Intel cooler. You probably will gain more performance getting dual channel memory.
Windows 10 hates hard drives. It runs soooo slowly with a hard drive, to the point that i think an SSD in 2020 is a necessity. You can reuse the SSD in another system also so I think you should get a cheap WD Green or something.
Nope, there's plenty 1650 with a 6 pin.
Did I miss something about a CPU upgrade? Don't think he wrote anything about that. Not like he needs it anyway.
And what would be slow without an SSD? These upgrades are mostly about fps and an SSD won't affect that.
Also how does reusing the SSD in another system help when his problem is that he doesn't want to reinstall windows?
Nope, there's plenty 1650 with a 6 pin.
Did I miss something about a CPU upgrade? Don't think he wrote anything about that. Not like he needs it anyway.
And what would be slow without an SSD? These upgrades are mostly about fps and an SSD won't affect that.
Also how does reusing the SSD in another system help when his problem is that he doesn't want to reinstall windows?
Setsul
I didnt know some had a 6pin. Just assumed because it was a 75W card it would use 75Wish of PCIe power. Should have known to say that because some 1050s had PCIe power, woops.
https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=443&Q=0
All of those dont require external power and dont need any cables. Pretty sure they will all fit in that case.
I just threw the CPU upgrade in there in case he was thinking about it. Pretty pointless to upgrade that to anything more.
From using a HDD on Windows 10, and i dont know if its the services, MSRT, updates or what but it was unreasonably slow, like opening explorer/programs, searching and stuff like that would take 15-20 seconds.
I thought it wouldnt be unreasonable to have a separate "gaming" drive and then he still keeps all the data+programs on the Hard Drive and its still bootable.
That may become annoying if they want to use some of the programs on the other drive that needs a license key to work, so they would have to boot into the other drive - but I didnt think of that >_>. And I doubt he wants to image the drive onto an SSD. I just hate using Hard Drives on windows 10. No FPS gains, but I still felt it was important to say.
[quote=Setsul][/quote]
I didnt know some had a 6pin. Just assumed because it was a 75W card it would use 75Wish of PCIe power. Should have known to say that because some 1050s had PCIe power, woops.
https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=443&Q=0
All of those dont require external power and dont need any cables. Pretty sure they will all fit in that case.
I just threw the CPU upgrade in there in case he was thinking about it. Pretty pointless to upgrade that to anything more.
From using a HDD on Windows 10, and i dont know if its the services, MSRT, updates or what but it was unreasonably slow, like opening explorer/programs, searching and stuff like that would take 15-20 seconds.
I thought it wouldnt be unreasonable to have a separate "gaming" drive and then he still keeps all the data+programs on the Hard Drive and its still bootable.
That may become annoying if they want to use some of the programs on the other drive that needs a license key to work, so they would have to boot into the other drive - but I didnt think of that >_>. And I doubt he wants to image the drive onto an SSD. I just hate using Hard Drives on windows 10. No FPS gains, but I still felt it was important to say.
Setsul#3561
Nothing obviously wrong.
NH-D15 might be overkill.
Not sure which part of the bait-and-switch-cycle of "good CX, bad CX" that particular CXM is.
CPU or GPU encoding for the streaming?
Haven't looked at the monitor yet. Hard to tell if it's what you want beyond being a 2k 144Hz monitor when that's the only requirement I've got to work with.
NH-D15 might be overkill but i'm willing to work with it.
Could you elaborate a bit on what this good CX bad CX business means? The reviews seem fine as far as i can tell.
I'm under the assumption gpu encoding is easier on the system, especially so for tf2, so I guess that.
Crossing my fingers on the monitor then, people seem to say generally good things
[quote=Setsul]
#3561
Nothing obviously wrong.
NH-D15 might be overkill.
Not sure which part of the bait-and-switch-cycle of "good CX, bad CX" that particular CXM is.
CPU or GPU encoding for the streaming?
Haven't looked at the monitor yet. Hard to tell if it's what you want beyond being a 2k 144Hz monitor when that's the only requirement I've got to work with.
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NH-D15 might be overkill but i'm willing to work with it.
Could you elaborate a bit on what this good CX bad CX business means? The reviews seem fine as far as i can tell.
I'm under the assumption gpu encoding is easier on the system, especially so for tf2, so I guess that.
Crossing my fingers on the monitor then, people seem to say generally good things
Multiple different PSUs with the same name, sometimes even the same part number. Sent out review samples of the good version, switch production to cheaper model 2 years later, keep the name, keep the price, coast on the good reviews.
It's more of a problem with CX rather than CXM though, but pcp mislabeling things always makes it more interesting than it should be. For me the main issue is that 69$ is a lot for a 80+ Bronze semi-modular budget PSU especially while there's not one but two actually really good 80+ Gold fully-modular PSUs on sale.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/v6qBD3/evga-supernova-ga-550-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-ga-0550-x1
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bqVD4D/corsair-rmx-2018-550w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020177-na
Monitor depends on what you're looking for exactly. You're not going to get a monitor that does everything perfectly (e.g. colours vs response time), any extra features you don't use cost extra assuming it at least got all of the features you do want to use.
If you do want a 27" 1440p 144Hz TN panel with G-Sync there's nothing wrong with that one apart from being a bit expensive than the competition.
Multiple different PSUs with the same name, sometimes even the same part number. Sent out review samples of the good version, switch production to cheaper model 2 years later, keep the name, keep the price, coast on the good reviews.
It's more of a problem with CX rather than CXM though, but pcp mislabeling things always makes it more interesting than it should be. For me the main issue is that 69$ is a lot for a 80+ Bronze semi-modular budget PSU especially while there's not one but two actually really good 80+ Gold fully-modular PSUs on sale.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/v6qBD3/evga-supernova-ga-550-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-ga-0550-x1
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bqVD4D/corsair-rmx-2018-550w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020177-na
Monitor depends on what you're looking for exactly. You're not going to get a monitor that does everything perfectly (e.g. colours vs response time), any extra features you don't use cost extra assuming it at least got all of the features you do want to use.
If you do want a 27" 1440p 144Hz TN panel with G-Sync there's nothing wrong with that one apart from being a bit expensive than the competition.
Yo, looking to buy a pc as I've moved abroad and don't have one. I'll basically use it to play TF2 (and probably stream a bit) and probably some AAA games with friends/games like Bannerlord if it ever comes out (but mostly Tf2). If a more portable or smaller case would work, that would be cool cause I may have to move apartments at some point, though I'm probably too shit at building to effectively manage a small case.
I've made a build on Partpicker and it would be good if someone could have a look and suggest any areas it can be improved ( more efficient, unnecessary stuff, cheaper options etc). I may have gone OTT on stuff like the GPU and power for all I know. I want that CPU so I built from there.
https://es.pcpartpicker.com/user/Stylax/saved/#view=sgwmkL
Any help much appreciated.
Yo, looking to buy a pc as I've moved abroad and don't have one. I'll basically use it to play TF2 (and probably stream a bit) and probably some AAA games with friends/games like Bannerlord if it ever comes out (but mostly Tf2). If a more portable or smaller case would work, that would be cool cause I may have to move apartments at some point, though I'm probably too shit at building to effectively manage a small case.
I've made a build on Partpicker and it would be good if someone could have a look and suggest any areas it can be improved ( more efficient, unnecessary stuff, cheaper options etc). I may have gone OTT on stuff like the GPU and power for all I know. I want that CPU so I built from there.
https://es.pcpartpicker.com/user/Stylax/saved/#view=sgwmkL
Any help much appreciated.
Why do you want that CPU specifically?
Overclocking yes/no?
Budget?
When are you planning on building it?
As always a 36€ 212 Evo is neither here nor there. It's a good budget cooler for <30€, but if you're not limited by the budget it makes no sense because there's far better coolers even in the range of 30-40€, if you don't need anything better because you're not overclocking it makes no sense because the stock cooler will do just fine and in general for 36€ it's just meh.
Why do you want that CPU specifically?
Overclocking yes/no?
Budget?
When are you planning on building it?
As always a 36€ 212 Evo is neither here nor there. It's a good budget cooler for <30€, but if you're not limited by the budget it makes no sense because there's far better coolers even in the range of 30-40€, if you don't need anything better because you're not overclocking it makes no sense because the stock cooler will do just fine and in general for 36€ it's just meh.
- Had it recommended to me by a friend and when I did some research it seemed to review really well. It's a good price too.
- I won't be overclocking any time soon, no.
- Ideally I'm looking to spend up to 1300 including monitor. 1500 is absolute max, but ideally 1000-1300. So any cost savings are appreciated.
-I'm probably going to order all the parts this weekend and build it when it all comes really. Hopefully by next weekend.
If I can save money and not have an extra cooler if I don't need it then then that's great. I'm not bothered about stuff like 4k and TF2 is the main game I play (though may play some AAA games tbh), so I also assume my GPU could be downgraded. Maybe an RX 5500 XT?
- Had it recommended to me by a friend and when I did some research it seemed to review really well. It's a good price too.
- I won't be overclocking any time soon, no.
- Ideally I'm looking to spend up to 1300 including monitor. 1500 is absolute max, but ideally 1000-1300. So any cost savings are appreciated.
-I'm probably going to order all the parts this weekend and build it when it all comes really. Hopefully by next weekend.
If I can save money and not have an extra cooler if I don't need it then then that's great. I'm not bothered about stuff like 4k and TF2 is the main game I play (though may play some AAA games tbh), so I also assume my GPU could be downgraded. Maybe an RX 5500 XT?
Have you ever seen a badly reviewed CPU? Also pay attention to where it does well. Unless you're streaming the 6 cores aren't going to do a whole lot in TF2. It would be neither here nor there again. Not clocked high enough to do great in TF2 but also not cheap to make the performance acceptable.
I mean why is it a good price? Have you compared it with other similarly priced CPUs? Or did you really plan your build around the first CPU you heard about after you saw it's <200€?
Yeah, drop the cooler. Also low-ish clockrate and low-ish RAM clock really won't be helping for TF2 performance.
On that note always go for dual channel. 1x16GB makes no sense.
Do you really need a 970 Evo then? 660p maybe or something even cheaper?
Ok. No time to wait for any new CPUs as expected.
Well for TF2 you can get away with an even cheaper GPU. No idea about Bannerlord. AAA games depends on what you're going for. I mean a 5500 XT is probably not going to get you 144 fps or 60 fps on max settings in a 2020 AAA game but it's not like anything less than that is unplayable.
Have you ever seen a badly reviewed CPU? Also pay attention to where it does well. Unless you're streaming the 6 cores aren't going to do a whole lot in TF2. It would be neither here nor there again. Not clocked high enough to do great in TF2 but also not cheap to make the performance acceptable.
I mean why is it a good price? Have you compared it with other similarly priced CPUs? Or did you really plan your build around the first CPU you heard about after you saw it's <200€?
Yeah, drop the cooler. Also low-ish clockrate and low-ish RAM clock really won't be helping for TF2 performance.
On that note always go for dual channel. 1x16GB makes no sense.
Do you really need a 970 Evo then? 660p maybe or something even cheaper?
Ok. No time to wait for any new CPUs as expected.
Well for TF2 you can get away with an even cheaper GPU. No idea about Bannerlord. AAA games depends on what you're going for. I mean a 5500 XT is probably not going to get you 144 fps or 60 fps on max settings in a 2020 AAA game but it's not like anything less than that is unplayable.
Well yeah actually. But a lot of sites/reviewers tend to recommend the one I opted for. I mean, I'm open to other suggestions, From what I gather, Ryzen is better value for money than intel at the lower/mid end and I guess Intel is best at high price points (which I don't want). SO i opted for a Ryzen and that one seems to be popular.
Feel free to recommend others. What would you suggest?
Okay cooler dropped. And I think you're right on the EVo from what I understand. So you suggest I overclock the cpu? I mean I could, if it's simple enough to do.
What about the power? Is 650 too much considering partpicker suggests it will use about 350. I assume overclocking uses more?
Well yeah actually. But a lot of sites/reviewers tend to recommend the one I opted for. I mean, I'm open to other suggestions, From what I gather, Ryzen is better value for money than intel at the lower/mid end and I guess Intel is best at high price points (which I don't want). SO i opted for a Ryzen and that one seems to be popular.
Feel free to recommend others. What would you suggest?
Okay cooler dropped. And I think you're right on the EVo from what I understand. So you suggest I overclock the cpu? I mean I could, if it's simple enough to do.
What about the power? Is 650 too much considering partpicker suggests it will use about 350. I assume overclocking uses more?
Generalizing like that almost never works. Also if anything it's the opposite. I don't really see a 2200G/3200G winning against even an i3-9100, especially in games. Or even a 2400G/3400G and those are significantly more expensive. The 1200 is so outdated it's not even fair anymore and the 2300X is OEM only. If you don't need the GPU of the G a 9100F costs about the same as a 1200 and it's not even close. So if you want a fast quad core there's not a whole lot on the AMD side. On the other hand if you just want more threads and the per core/thread speed doesn't really matter it's hard to argue with the 1600 12nm refresh. 85$ for 6 cores/12 threads. Same at the high end. Yeah sure, a 9900K is faster per core/thread, but either you're buying 8 cores/16 threads for no reason or a 12 core/24 thread 3900X is going to run circles around it. Anything in between, especially for games, it's not so clear-cut. There are enough games where more than 4 cores do help (not TF2) but more than 8 threads not so much. It's nice that the 3600(X)/3700X/3800X come with SMT, but it barely makes a difference so 9600(K/F/KF)/9700(K/F/KF) are actually worth considering.
Going blindly by brand and the choosing whatever's most popular is a really bad idea. Popularity is rarely an indicator of quality nor is there any guarantee that what works best for someone else works best for you. If you're doing the same thing sure, but TF2 has always been a special case.
Anyway I'd say either drop down to 4 cores, which'll do fine for TF2, or go for higher clockrates and faster RAM.
3600X is kind of meh, 3600 should get you almost the same performance, especially if you overclock it, but the upside of TF2 being shit is that even those 0.2 GHz could get you another +5% fps. RAM is more important. Getting 3600 MHz RAM is going to do more than getting a 3600X instead of a 3600. At the very least don't go below 3200.
Not sure if a 9400F would be faster (it's definitely cheaper though) but a 9600(KF) definitely would be.
For quadcores the previously mentioned 9100F is dirt cheap, 9300/9320 for higher clockrate.
For all the Intel options would be ideal to wait for Comet Lake and enjoy the price drop or get the next-gen equivalent but I guess it can't be helped. They are at least worth considering though.
Won't get much out of it on a 3600 but it's free so might as well. Not that difficult.
Yes, but if overclocking doubles the power consumption something is probably on fire. Pcpartpicker isn't that great outside of the USA and finding good PSUs at a decent price is always difficult even with price comparison sites. You might just have to check whatever shop(s) you end up buying from manually.
Generalizing like that almost never works. Also if anything it's the opposite. I don't really see a 2200G/3200G winning against even an i3-9100, especially in games. Or even a 2400G/3400G and those are significantly more expensive. The 1200 is so outdated it's not even fair anymore and the 2300X is OEM only. If you don't need the GPU of the G a 9100F costs about the same as a 1200 and it's not even close. So if you want a fast quad core there's not a whole lot on the AMD side. On the other hand if you just want more threads and the per core/thread speed doesn't really matter it's hard to argue with the 1600 12nm refresh. 85$ for 6 cores/12 threads. Same at the high end. Yeah sure, a 9900K is faster per core/thread, but either you're buying 8 cores/16 threads for no reason or a 12 core/24 thread 3900X is going to run circles around it. Anything in between, especially for games, it's not so clear-cut. There are enough games where more than 4 cores do help (not TF2) but more than 8 threads not so much. It's nice that the 3600(X)/3700X/3800X come with SMT, but it barely makes a difference so 9600(K/F/KF)/9700(K/F/KF) are actually worth considering.
Going blindly by brand and the choosing whatever's most popular is a really bad idea. Popularity is rarely an indicator of quality nor is there any guarantee that what works best for someone else works best for you. If you're doing the same thing sure, but TF2 has always been a special case.
Anyway I'd say either drop down to 4 cores, which'll do fine for TF2, or go for higher clockrates and faster RAM.
3600X is kind of meh, 3600 should get you almost the same performance, especially if you overclock it, but the upside of TF2 being shit is that even those 0.2 GHz could get you another +5% fps. RAM is more important. Getting 3600 MHz RAM is going to do more than getting a 3600X instead of a 3600. At the very least don't go below 3200.
Not sure if a 9400F would be faster (it's definitely cheaper though) but a 9600(KF) definitely would be.
For quadcores the previously mentioned 9100F is dirt cheap, 9300/9320 for higher clockrate.
For all the Intel options would be ideal to wait for Comet Lake and enjoy the price drop or get the next-gen equivalent but I guess it can't be helped. They are at least worth considering though.
Won't get much out of it on a 3600 but it's free so might as well. Not that difficult.
Yes, but if overclocking doubles the power consumption something is probably on fire. Pcpartpicker isn't that great outside of the USA and finding good PSUs at a decent price is always difficult even with price comparison sites. You might just have to check whatever shop(s) you end up buying from manually.
Speaking of RAM, I got the Patriot Memory Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4400MHz kit. You can overclock this to 3600Mhz C14. I tried 3733Mhz C14, but it wasn't stable.
Speaking of RAM, I got the Patriot Memory Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4400MHz kit. You can overclock this to 3600Mhz C14. I tried 3733Mhz C14, but it wasn't stable.
WazrachSpeaking of RAM, I got the Patriot Memory Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4400MHz kit. You can overclock this to 3600Mhz C14. I tried 3733Mhz C14, but it wasn't stable.
That kit is running at 4400 cl15 with XMP. Not sure how you are only able to get cl14 at 3600, unless you arent giving it enough volts or something, because 4400 at cl15 is harder to run than 3733cl14. Probably an unlucky draw on your IMC.
Anyway B-die is out of many peoples budgets because it can be more expensive and overclocking ram is too much of a hassle for most people to do because of the stability issues it can bring if it isnt thoroughly tested for 24/48+ hours in a memory testing program.
4400Mhz memory is completely useless for most people and can be worse (latency) than good 3600MHz memory if you just enable XMP because of the decoupled infinity fabric - for intel you need a pretty good imc to run that if im not mistaken too. It is worth it because you can gain lots of performance on zen by tightening the primaries and some of the secondaries, but it can be annoying when diagnosing a problem. Most people will be fine with a 3600MHz kit.
[quote=Wazrach]Speaking of RAM, I got the Patriot Memory Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4400MHz kit. You can overclock this to 3600Mhz C14. I tried 3733Mhz C14, but it wasn't stable.[/quote]
That kit is running at 4400 cl15 with XMP. Not sure how you are only able to get cl14 at 3600, unless you arent giving it enough volts or something, because 4400 at cl15 is harder to run than 3733cl14. Probably an unlucky draw on your IMC.
Anyway B-die is out of many peoples budgets because it can be more expensive and overclocking ram is too much of a hassle for most people to do because of the stability issues it can bring if it isnt thoroughly tested for 24/48+ hours in a memory testing program.
4400Mhz memory is completely useless for most people and can be worse (latency) than good 3600MHz memory if you just enable XMP because of the decoupled infinity fabric - for intel you need a pretty good imc to run that if im not mistaken too. It is worth it because you can gain lots of performance on zen by tightening the primaries and some of the secondaries, but it can be annoying when diagnosing a problem. Most people will be fine with a 3600MHz kit.
#3577
It's 4400 or 4266 MHz Cl19, that's 8.64 or 8.91 ns latency.
3600 MHz CL14 is 7.78 ns, 3733 MHz is 7.50 ns.
Why are you surprised that that's not stable?
Also you maybe should've checked the QVL and/or manufacturer's website.
https://viper.patriotmemory.com/products/viper-steel-ddr4-performance-memory-ram-viper-gaming-by-patriot-memory
***Viper Steel 4400MHz memory kits require specific CPU and Motherboard.****
QVL CPUs: Intel I7-8700K | Intel I9-9900K
#3578
Nope. 4400/4266 CL19 or 2133 CL15. 4400 CL15 would be insane.
https://assets.website-files.com/5cdb2ee0b102f96c3906500f/5dd6b314aa0dd278b0b6efc6_PVS416G440C9K%20Sku%20Sheet_Copyable_062819.pdf
Base Frequency: PC4-17000 (2133MHz)
Base Timings: 15-15-15-36
Tested Frequency Profile 1: PC4-35200 (4400MHz)
Tested Frequency Profile 2: PC4-34100 (4266MHz)
Tested Timings: 19-19-19-39
Tested Voltage for Profile 1: 1.45V
Tested Voltage for Profile 2: 1.35V
1.45 V for 4400 Mhz CL19.
#3577
It's 4400 or 4266 MHz Cl19, that's 8.64 or 8.91 ns latency.
3600 MHz CL14 is 7.78 ns, 3733 MHz is 7.50 ns.
Why are you surprised that that's not stable?
Also you maybe should've checked the QVL and/or manufacturer's website.
https://viper.patriotmemory.com/products/viper-steel-ddr4-performance-memory-ram-viper-gaming-by-patriot-memory
[quote]***Viper Steel 4400MHz memory kits require specific CPU and Motherboard.****
QVL CPUs: Intel I7-8700K | Intel I9-9900K[/quote]
#3578
Nope. 4400/4266 CL19 or 2133 CL15. 4400 CL15 would be insane.
https://assets.website-files.com/5cdb2ee0b102f96c3906500f/5dd6b314aa0dd278b0b6efc6_PVS416G440C9K%20Sku%20Sheet_Copyable_062819.pdf
[quote]Base Frequency: PC4-17000 (2133MHz)
Base Timings: 15-15-15-36
Tested Frequency Profile 1: PC4-35200 (4400MHz)
Tested Frequency Profile 2: PC4-34100 (4266MHz)
Tested Timings: 19-19-19-39
Tested Voltage for Profile 1: 1.45V
Tested Voltage for Profile 2: 1.35V[/quote]
1.45 V for 4400 Mhz CL19.
FakeWazrachSpeaking of RAM, I got the Patriot Memory Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4400MHz kit. You can overclock this to 3600Mhz C14. I tried 3733Mhz C14, but it wasn't stable.
That kit is running at 4400 cl15 with XMP. Not sure how you are only able to get cl14 at 3600, unless you arent giving it enough volts or something, because 4400 at cl15 is harder to run than 3733cl14. Probably an unlucky draw on your IMC.
Anyway B-die is out of many peoples budgets because it can be more expensive and overclocking ram is too much of a hassle for most people to do because of the stability issues it can bring if it isnt thoroughly tested for 24/48+ hours in a memory testing program.
4400Mhz memory is completely useless for most people and can be worse (latency) than good 3600MHz memory if you just enable XMP because of the decoupled infinity fabric - for intel you need a pretty good imc to run that if im not mistaken too. It is worth it because you can gain lots of performance on zen by tightening the primaries and some of the secondaries, but it can be annoying when diagnosing a problem. Most people will be fine with a 3600MHz kit.
I'm aware of the infinity fabric decoupling, but mine is running at a 1:1 ratio. I've been using this setup for weeks now in different games, and it's been completely fine.
[quote=Fake][quote=Wazrach]Speaking of RAM, I got the Patriot Memory Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4400MHz kit. You can overclock this to 3600Mhz C14. I tried 3733Mhz C14, but it wasn't stable.[/quote]
That kit is running at 4400 cl15 with XMP. Not sure how you are only able to get cl14 at 3600, unless you arent giving it enough volts or something, because 4400 at cl15 is harder to run than 3733cl14. Probably an unlucky draw on your IMC.
Anyway B-die is out of many peoples budgets because it can be more expensive and overclocking ram is too much of a hassle for most people to do because of the stability issues it can bring if it isnt thoroughly tested for 24/48+ hours in a memory testing program.
4400Mhz memory is completely useless for most people and can be worse (latency) than good 3600MHz memory if you just enable XMP because of the decoupled infinity fabric - for intel you need a pretty good imc to run that if im not mistaken too. It is worth it because you can gain lots of performance on zen by tightening the primaries and some of the secondaries, but it can be annoying when diagnosing a problem. Most people will be fine with a 3600MHz kit.[/quote]
I'm aware of the infinity fabric decoupling, but mine is running at a 1:1 ratio. I've been using this setup for weeks now in different games, and it's been completely fine.
Setsul#3577
Why are you surprised that that's not stable?
I'm not surprised at all, I just wanted to see how far I could push it. :P
I'm no tech expert but I've been learning through trial and error. Besides, multiple people said they achieved 3600 C14 with that exact kit. Haven't had any issues.
[quote=Setsul]#3577
Why are you surprised that that's not stable?[/quote]
I'm not surprised at all, I just wanted to see how far I could push it. :P
I'm no tech expert but I've been learning through trial and error. Besides, multiple people said they achieved 3600 C14 with that exact kit. Haven't had any issues.
WazrachI'm aware of the infinity fabric decoupling, but mine is running at a 1:1 ratio. I've been using this setup for weeks now in different games, and it's been completely fine.
Decoupling of IF is no bueno, but many 3600s mostly seem to work fine on >1800mhz, you may need to increase the IF voltage to get higher RAM clocks, but you could degrade the CPU by doing that so its kind of risky. Not worth it.
Just curious to what voltages/timings/settings you are running at. In theory 1.5V with B die is safe 24/7 as long as you can cool it.
[quote=Wazrach]
I'm aware of the infinity fabric decoupling, but mine is running at a 1:1 ratio. I've been using this setup for weeks now in different games, and it's been completely fine.[/quote]
Decoupling of IF is no bueno, but many 3600s mostly seem to work fine on >1800mhz, you may need to increase the IF voltage to get higher RAM clocks, but you could degrade the CPU by doing that so its kind of risky. Not worth it.
Just curious to what voltages/timings/settings you are running at. In theory 1.5V with B die is safe 24/7 as long as you can cool it.
You can edit posts, no need to post twice in 2 minutes.
If all you wanted was 3733 MHz CL14 it would've been a lot easier to start with a 3600 MHz CL15 kit that's already at 8.33 ns with only 1.35 V (-> some room for higher voltage left) instead of trying to force a kit that needs 1.45 V for 4400 Mhz CL19 = 8.64 ns into that.
Not that it really matters all that much. IF dominates the latency anyway so even 3733 Mhz CL15 would win against 3600 Mhz CL14 in both latency and bandwidth. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve.
You can edit posts, no need to post twice in 2 minutes.
If all you wanted was 3733 MHz CL14 it would've been a lot easier to start with a 3600 MHz CL15 kit that's already at 8.33 ns with only 1.35 V (-> some room for higher voltage left) instead of trying to force a kit that needs 1.45 V for 4400 Mhz CL19 = 8.64 ns into that.
Not that it really matters all that much. IF dominates the latency anyway so even 3733 Mhz CL15 would win against 3600 Mhz CL14 in both latency and bandwidth. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve.