ZestyAs Esperanto has a strong basis in the Romance languages (which are represented in this study),
http://claudepiron.free.fr/articlesenanglais/europeanorasiatic.htm
Esperanto should be the language of EU competitive
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[quote=Zesty]As Esperanto has a strong basis in the Romance languages (which are represented in this study),[/quote]
http://claudepiron.free.fr/articlesenanglais/europeanorasiatic.htm
http://claudepiron.free.fr/articlesenanglais/europeanorasiatic.htm
AimIsADickhttps://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/19/science/how-linguists-and-missionaries-share-a-bible-of-6912-languages.html
18 year old article. This also again notes religious complaints about the publisher without noting any religious complaints about Ethnologue itself. The only complaints about Ethnologue are that it may overcount or undercount languages, which is a practically unsolvable issue (and also secular).
In the future, please READ SOURCES BEFORE LINKING THEM and then explain them in the post. I enjoy reading them and responding myself but it's a pain for other users that don't want to read multiple articles per post only to realize they are irrelevant or don't support your points. In the future, I will just remind you to read sources before citing them instead of reading them for you
AimIsADickHere: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/world-s-largest-linguistics-database-getting-too-expensive-some-researchers, I cited this earlier too.
Also this: https://humans-who-read-grammars.blogspot.com/2019/11/ethnologue-changes-access-again.html
First article does not mention anything about Ethnologue's sources. Second article mentions it once to say that Ethnologue does provide sources but for some pages you have to request the sources from Ethnologue. I don't think it's an actual problem.
AimIsADickI can just repeat the same greeting again, but very slowly. (i didn't agree to use that particular sentence, it'd be too long.)
This casts further doubt on your Esperanto abilities. Please read and translate the longer sentence I provided to prove that you aren't reading from google translate or just speaking spanish (again)
AimIsADickhttp://claudepiron.free.fr/articlesenanglais/europeanorasiatic.htm
Blatant Esperantist puff piece with no validity
[quote=AimIsADick]
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/19/science/how-linguists-and-missionaries-share-a-bible-of-6912-languages.html
[/quote]
18 year old article. This also again notes religious complaints about the publisher without noting any religious complaints about Ethnologue itself. The only complaints about Ethnologue are that it may overcount or undercount languages, which is a practically unsolvable issue (and also secular).
In the future, please READ SOURCES BEFORE LINKING THEM and then explain them in the post. I enjoy reading them and responding myself but it's a pain for other users that don't want to read multiple articles per post only to realize they are irrelevant or don't support your points. In the future, I will just remind you to read sources before citing them instead of reading them for you
[quote=AimIsADick]
Here: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/world-s-largest-linguistics-database-getting-too-expensive-some-researchers, I cited this [url=https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/1090146/esperanto-should-be-the-language-of-eu-competitive]earlier too.[/url]
Also this: https://humans-who-read-grammars.blogspot.com/2019/11/ethnologue-changes-access-again.html[/quote]
First article does not mention anything about Ethnologue's sources. Second article mentions it once to say that Ethnologue does provide sources but for some pages you have to request the sources from Ethnologue. I don't think it's an actual problem.
[quote=AimIsADick]I can just repeat the same greeting again, but very slowly. (i didn't agree to use that particular sentence, it'd be too long.)[/quote]
This casts further doubt on your Esperanto abilities. Please read and translate the longer sentence I provided to prove that you aren't reading from google translate or just speaking spanish (again)
[quote=AimIsADick]http://claudepiron.free.fr/articlesenanglais/europeanorasiatic.htm[/quote]
Blatant Esperantist puff piece with no validity
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/19/science/how-linguists-and-missionaries-share-a-bible-of-6912-languages.html
[/quote]
18 year old article. This also again notes religious complaints about the publisher without noting any religious complaints about Ethnologue itself. The only complaints about Ethnologue are that it may overcount or undercount languages, which is a practically unsolvable issue (and also secular).
In the future, please READ SOURCES BEFORE LINKING THEM and then explain them in the post. I enjoy reading them and responding myself but it's a pain for other users that don't want to read multiple articles per post only to realize they are irrelevant or don't support your points. In the future, I will just remind you to read sources before citing them instead of reading them for you
[quote=AimIsADick]
Here: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/world-s-largest-linguistics-database-getting-too-expensive-some-researchers, I cited this [url=https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/1090146/esperanto-should-be-the-language-of-eu-competitive]earlier too.[/url]
Also this: https://humans-who-read-grammars.blogspot.com/2019/11/ethnologue-changes-access-again.html[/quote]
First article does not mention anything about Ethnologue's sources. Second article mentions it once to say that Ethnologue does provide sources but for some pages you have to request the sources from Ethnologue. I don't think it's an actual problem.
[quote=AimIsADick]I can just repeat the same greeting again, but very slowly. (i didn't agree to use that particular sentence, it'd be too long.)[/quote]
This casts further doubt on your Esperanto abilities. Please read and translate the longer sentence I provided to prove that you aren't reading from google translate or just speaking spanish (again)
[quote=AimIsADick]http://claudepiron.free.fr/articlesenanglais/europeanorasiatic.htm[/quote]
Blatant Esperantist puff piece with no validity
eddiieeAimIsADickhttps://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/19/science/how-linguists-and-missionaries-share-a-bible-of-6912-languages.html
18 year old article. This also again notes religious complaints about the publisher without noting any religious complaints about Ethnologue itself. The only complaints about Ethnologue are that it may overcount or undercount languages, which is a practically unsolvable issue (and also secular).
1. Age isn't important here: what's important is that this article states that Ethnologue started as a christian group focused on the bible.
That is a religious link (even if outdated) is it not?
Ny TimesEthnologue was founded in 1951 by Richard S. Pittman and was initially focused on minority languages, to share information on Bible translation needs.
eddiieeAimIsADickHere: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/world-s-largest-linguistics-database-getting-too-expensive-some-researchers, I cited this earlier too.
Also this: https://humans-who-read-grammars.blogspot.com/2019/11/ethnologue-changes-access-again.html
First article does not mention anything about Ethnologue's sources. Second article mentions it once to say that Ethnologue does provide sources but for some pages you have to request the sources from Ethnologue. I don't think it's an actual problem.
My complaint was about ethnologue's database being paywalled, hence not being transparent; which necessarily affects the sources I can get off that site.
Ny TimesAimIsADickI can just repeat the same greeting again, but very slowly. (i didn't agree to use that particular sentence, it'd be too long.)
This casts further doubt on your Esperanto abilities. Please read and translate the longer sentence I provided to prove that you aren't reading from google translate or just speaking spanish (again)
I don't use fucking google translate; that butchers Esperanto horribly. (examples: using "konservita" instead of "savita" when saving a person, "kaŝmemorigita" instead of "rapidmemorigita" to refer to caching)
and I cannot speak Spanish, nor Japanese now (which I attempted to study and indeed could barely speak it).
eddiieeAimIsADickhttp://claudepiron.free.fr/articlesenanglais/europeanorasiatic.htmBlatant Esperantist puff piece with no validity
What? Are you even gonna explain your reasoning? (Mind you, you don't even speak or read the language yourself.)
So now all of a sudden, when I cite you a link by an esperantist himself doing proper study, you starting screeching about "no validity". You keep complaining to me to "read my own sources", yet you can't even fairly read my sources I give to you.
[quote=eddiiee][quote=AimIsADick]
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/19/science/how-linguists-and-missionaries-share-a-bible-of-6912-languages.html
[/quote]
18 year old article. This also again notes religious complaints about the publisher without noting any religious complaints about Ethnologue itself. The only complaints about Ethnologue are that it may overcount or undercount languages, which is a practically unsolvable issue (and also secular).[/quote]
1. Age isn't important here: what's important is that this article states that Ethnologue [i]started[/i] as a christian group focused on the bible.
That is a religious link (even if outdated) is it not?
[quote=Ny Times]Ethnologue was founded in 1951 by Richard S. Pittman and was initially focused on minority languages, to share information on Bible translation needs.[/quote]
[quote=eddiiee][quote=AimIsADick]
Here: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/world-s-largest-linguistics-database-getting-too-expensive-some-researchers, I cited this [url=https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/1090146/esperanto-should-be-the-language-of-eu-competitive]earlier too.[/url]
Also this: https://humans-who-read-grammars.blogspot.com/2019/11/ethnologue-changes-access-again.html[/quote]
First article does not mention anything about Ethnologue's sources. Second article mentions it once to say that Ethnologue does provide sources but for some pages you have to request the sources from Ethnologue. I don't think it's an actual problem.[/quote]
My complaint was about ethnologue's database being paywalled, hence not being transparent; which necessarily affects the sources I can get off that site.
[quote=Ny Times][quote=AimIsADick]I can just repeat the same greeting again, but very slowly. (i didn't agree to use that particular sentence, it'd be too long.)[/quote]
This casts further doubt on your Esperanto abilities. Please read and translate the longer sentence I provided to prove that you aren't reading from google translate or just speaking spanish (again)[/quote]
I don't use fucking google translate; that butchers Esperanto horribly. (examples: using "konservita" instead of "savita" when saving a person, "kaŝmemorigita" instead of "rapidmemorigita" to refer to caching)
and I cannot speak Spanish, nor Japanese now (which I attempted to study and indeed could [i]barely[/i] speak it).
[quote=eddiiee][quote=AimIsADick]http://claudepiron.free.fr/articlesenanglais/europeanorasiatic.htm[/quote]
Blatant Esperantist puff piece with no validity[/quote]
[i]What?[/i] Are you even gonna explain your reasoning? (Mind you, you don't even speak or read the language yourself.)
So now all of a sudden, when I cite you a link by an esperantist himself doing proper study, you starting screeching about "no validity". You keep complaining to me to "read my own sources", yet you can't even fairly read my sources I give to you.
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/19/science/how-linguists-and-missionaries-share-a-bible-of-6912-languages.html
[/quote]
18 year old article. This also again notes religious complaints about the publisher without noting any religious complaints about Ethnologue itself. The only complaints about Ethnologue are that it may overcount or undercount languages, which is a practically unsolvable issue (and also secular).[/quote]
1. Age isn't important here: what's important is that this article states that Ethnologue [i]started[/i] as a christian group focused on the bible.
That is a religious link (even if outdated) is it not?
[quote=Ny Times]Ethnologue was founded in 1951 by Richard S. Pittman and was initially focused on minority languages, to share information on Bible translation needs.[/quote]
[quote=eddiiee][quote=AimIsADick]
Here: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/world-s-largest-linguistics-database-getting-too-expensive-some-researchers, I cited this [url=https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/1090146/esperanto-should-be-the-language-of-eu-competitive]earlier too.[/url]
Also this: https://humans-who-read-grammars.blogspot.com/2019/11/ethnologue-changes-access-again.html[/quote]
First article does not mention anything about Ethnologue's sources. Second article mentions it once to say that Ethnologue does provide sources but for some pages you have to request the sources from Ethnologue. I don't think it's an actual problem.[/quote]
My complaint was about ethnologue's database being paywalled, hence not being transparent; which necessarily affects the sources I can get off that site.
[quote=Ny Times][quote=AimIsADick]I can just repeat the same greeting again, but very slowly. (i didn't agree to use that particular sentence, it'd be too long.)[/quote]
This casts further doubt on your Esperanto abilities. Please read and translate the longer sentence I provided to prove that you aren't reading from google translate or just speaking spanish (again)[/quote]
I don't use fucking google translate; that butchers Esperanto horribly. (examples: using "konservita" instead of "savita" when saving a person, "kaŝmemorigita" instead of "rapidmemorigita" to refer to caching)
and I cannot speak Spanish, nor Japanese now (which I attempted to study and indeed could [i]barely[/i] speak it).
[quote=eddiiee][quote=AimIsADick]http://claudepiron.free.fr/articlesenanglais/europeanorasiatic.htm[/quote]
Blatant Esperantist puff piece with no validity[/quote]
[i]What?[/i] Are you even gonna explain your reasoning? (Mind you, you don't even speak or read the language yourself.)
So now all of a sudden, when I cite you a link by an esperantist himself doing proper study, you starting screeching about "no validity". You keep complaining to me to "read my own sources", yet you can't even fairly read my sources I give to you.
AimIsADick1. Age isn't important here: what's important is that this article states that Ethnologue started as a christian group focused on the bible.
That is a religious link (even if outdated) is it not?
There already was a religious link (it is published by a religious group). As I have asked before, please show that the publisher influences the reliability or validity of the data in Ethnologue. A resource being produced by a religious group does not necessarily mean the resource is biased or inaccurate. The positive reputation Ethnologue enjoys among linguists is attested to by several of the sources you have linked.
AimIsADickMy complaint was about ethnologue's database being paywalled, hence not being transparent; which necessarily affects the sources I can get off that site.
Lots of sources are paywalled.
AimIsADickI don't use fucking google translate; that butchers Esperanto horribly. (examples: using "konservita" instead of "savita" when saving a person, "kaŝmemorigita" instead of "rapidmemorigita" to refer to caching)
and I cannot speak Spanish, nor Japanese now (which I attempted to study and indeed could barely speak it)
Please translate and speak the sentence I provided to verify this.
AimIsADickWhat? Are you even gonna explain your reasoning? (Mind you, you don't even speak or read the language yourself.)
So now all of a sudden, when I cite you a link by an esperantist himself doing proper study, you starting screeching about "no validity". You keep complaining to me to "read my own sources", yet you can't even fairly read my sources I give to you.
Please read and summarize the arguments in the essay you linked and I'll respond to them (so that I don't have to do it myself agian). Also, why are you assuming I'm not fluent in Esperanto?
[quote=AimIsADick]1. Age isn't important here: what's important is that this article states that Ethnologue [i]started[/i] as a christian group focused on the bible.
That is a religious link (even if outdated) is it not?[/quote]
There already was a religious link (it is published by a religious group). As I have asked before, please show that the publisher influences the reliability or validity of the data in Ethnologue. A resource being produced by a religious group does not necessarily mean the resource is biased or inaccurate. The positive reputation Ethnologue enjoys among linguists is attested to by several of the sources you have linked.
[quote=AimIsADick]
My complaint was about ethnologue's database being paywalled, hence not being transparent; which necessarily affects the sources I can get off that site.[/quote]
Lots of sources are paywalled.
[quote=AimIsADick]
I don't use fucking google translate; that butchers Esperanto horribly. (examples: using "konservita" instead of "savita" when saving a person, "kaŝmemorigita" instead of "rapidmemorigita" to refer to caching)
and I cannot speak Spanish, nor Japanese now (which I attempted to study and indeed could [i]barely[/i] speak it)[/quote]
Please translate and speak the sentence I provided to verify this.
[quote=AimIsADick][i]What?[/i] Are you even gonna explain your reasoning? (Mind you, you don't even speak or read the language yourself.)
So now all of a sudden, when I cite you a link by an esperantist himself doing proper study, you starting screeching about "no validity". You keep complaining to me to "read my own sources", yet you can't even fairly read my sources I give to you.[/quote]
Please read and summarize the arguments in the essay you linked and I'll respond to them (so that I don't have to do it myself agian). Also, why are you assuming I'm not fluent in Esperanto?
That is a religious link (even if outdated) is it not?[/quote]
There already was a religious link (it is published by a religious group). As I have asked before, please show that the publisher influences the reliability or validity of the data in Ethnologue. A resource being produced by a religious group does not necessarily mean the resource is biased or inaccurate. The positive reputation Ethnologue enjoys among linguists is attested to by several of the sources you have linked.
[quote=AimIsADick]
My complaint was about ethnologue's database being paywalled, hence not being transparent; which necessarily affects the sources I can get off that site.[/quote]
Lots of sources are paywalled.
[quote=AimIsADick]
I don't use fucking google translate; that butchers Esperanto horribly. (examples: using "konservita" instead of "savita" when saving a person, "kaŝmemorigita" instead of "rapidmemorigita" to refer to caching)
and I cannot speak Spanish, nor Japanese now (which I attempted to study and indeed could [i]barely[/i] speak it)[/quote]
Please translate and speak the sentence I provided to verify this.
[quote=AimIsADick][i]What?[/i] Are you even gonna explain your reasoning? (Mind you, you don't even speak or read the language yourself.)
So now all of a sudden, when I cite you a link by an esperantist himself doing proper study, you starting screeching about "no validity". You keep complaining to me to "read my own sources", yet you can't even fairly read my sources I give to you.[/quote]
Please read and summarize the arguments in the essay you linked and I'll respond to them (so that I don't have to do it myself agian). Also, why are you assuming I'm not fluent in Esperanto?
eddiieeAimIsADickWhat? Are you even gonna explain your reasoning? (Mind you, you don't even speak or read the language yourself.)
So now all of a sudden, when I cite you a link by an esperantist himself doing proper study, you starting screeching about "no validity". You keep complaining to me to "read my own sources", yet you can't even fairly read my sources I give to you.
Please read and summarize the arguments in the essay you linked and I'll respond to them (so that I don't have to do it myself agian). Also, why are you assuming I'm not fluent in Esperanto?
That link was never sent to you in the first place, so why fucking complain?
and since my reading skills aint fucking good enough for you apparently, how about you just read it yourself?
since my debate skills arent good enough for you (or you all), maybe just leave me the fuck alone.
[quote=eddiiee][quote=AimIsADick][i]What?[/i] Are you even gonna explain your reasoning? (Mind you, you don't even speak or read the language yourself.)
So now all of a sudden, when I cite you a link by an esperantist himself doing proper study, you starting screeching about "no validity". You keep complaining to me to "read my own sources", yet you can't even fairly read my sources I give to you.[/quote]
Please read and summarize the arguments in the essay you linked and I'll respond to them (so that I don't have to do it myself agian). Also, why are you assuming I'm not fluent in Esperanto?[/quote]
That link was never sent to you in the first place, so why fucking complain?
and since my reading skills aint fucking good enough for you apparently, how about you just read it yourself?
since my debate skills arent good enough for you (or you all), maybe just leave me the fuck alone.
So now all of a sudden, when I cite you a link by an esperantist himself doing proper study, you starting screeching about "no validity". You keep complaining to me to "read my own sources", yet you can't even fairly read my sources I give to you.[/quote]
Please read and summarize the arguments in the essay you linked and I'll respond to them (so that I don't have to do it myself agian). Also, why are you assuming I'm not fluent in Esperanto?[/quote]
That link was never sent to you in the first place, so why fucking complain?
and since my reading skills aint fucking good enough for you apparently, how about you just read it yourself?
since my debate skills arent good enough for you (or you all), maybe just leave me the fuck alone.
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