i remember u using the dh an entire mix and ive seen like 1 other person do that i mean im not saying its overpowered but when a new player turns a corner and gets instantly destroyed in one hit i dont think thats average and normal

Question is: if the sniper had at most 1 kill, and a playtime of 30 seconds, and then switched off -- would there still be an issue? If the duration of the time played as sniper exceeds a main class and not near enough damage/frags as the main class, the player is goofing around/not a good sniper. If there is a short amount of time played and higher amount of kills, the player saw an opportunity and made some good plays. I don't think one can be banned from having good plays, or doing what their class is meant to do. The former I think holds the most probable cause for a slap on the wrist, especially if the team didn't even want that player on sniper. (Note, usually the bans end up happening when the player is intentionally trying to rustle a dozen or more jimmies at once.) I don't see the point of even banning a player either way. What message does that send to newcomers? If they don't abide by our rules under supervision of our autocratic admins who value the letter of the law versus the spirit then they'll be guaranteed to have a bad time. That's the way I think a newcomer would interpret this type of old, immature shenanigans. Seriously, how many threads do we have about this now? Clearly it has been sniper-no-sniping when somebody wants to take a risk and shoot heads, and that's not attractive when I'm an inspired newbie who just saw powah's videos.

Best question: Why do we have to use websites now to connect to irc? Why did they move it to a different server? It's just annoying and unneccessary imo?

Also I think off classing should mimic real game situation. Going for a pick, etc. Shouldn't run full time sniper just to troll that's what pubs are for. Not only is it annoying for the opposing team but it's annoying to your own team since you are down a man on flank the entire time. Team first.

a pocket soldier with a dh still operates the same as a pocket soldier with a rl

there are some kills i get with the dh that i dont with the rl
there are some kills i get with the rl that i dont with the dh

if only there were other classes that had different weapons that changes the projectile that came out and were somewhat viable

as for your specific example,

- if youre turning the corner into a 300 hp pocket soldier and you didnt know he was there, you deserve to die

- if you know hes there and he doesnt know you are there, you generally have a shot or two before you start dodging, so if you stand still and still get exploded well thats pretty silly of you

- if you both know youre gonna fight you should be dodging/baiting out his rockets anyway and trying to find a terrain advantage

- also, if hes been fucking people up with the dh(or rl) most of the game, you should maybe change what you do a bit and adapt to the shots hes hitting and the shots hes not

or should we just say "ya theres literally nothing you can learn from this pug if youre a new player just blame the guy using a downgrade of a weapon youve only played against a few times"

<+botmode> stil dead
<defy> id rather not play at all
<defy> then play a mix
<defy> because holy shit
<defy> i dont even think it needs to be said
<+ndust> i've been happily mix free for about 4 months now
<+botmode> mix is bad
<defy> idk ill hop in there sometimes and play with seymour for a bit if pug na is dead
<defy> but sometimes its pretty aids
<+botmode> its pretty much always aids

well seeing as how indust would rq from every other mix hed play in id hope that he would be happier now that he stoppedp laying them

also botmode is about as funny as he is original as he is relevant

can u do that with english

im a trailblazer

don't like this idea since me and cinq talked ages ago on this issue and agreed we should leave the classes open for use. I've already removed the restriction of the class

majority of my excessive off-class bans come from my personal guidelines which some of you already know from past chats after a ban.

• no off-classing to mid
  
• running an off-class consecutive lives outside of last
  
• having over half the time played on an off-class compared to time on the CLASS YOU WERE PICKED ON (ie. 20:00 scout; 11:00 sniper)
  
• off-class bans do not pertain to just one class, other class times are incorporated
  
• off-classing as demo or pocket
  
• off-classing as medic outside of last during dire situations

I do get that odd situations occur and i don't just glance at stats and insta-ban. I will message people from the pug for info and i also take into account other factors (time:death for class, time spent on either last). If i don't find enough here i will review the demo and make a call after.

The biggest problem with controlling the issue is admin discretion is inconsistent due to random factors so it's not possible to have clear-cut rules.

to those of you who were left banned for an extended period, i apologize for that, since that was before speedy implemented the time ban system and we had to manually remove bans based on the times of our posts in the admin group which isn't as easy as it sounds and bans were left unnoticed.

I am nowhere near as active as i used to be and don't plan on being so in the future but i figured u guys could break down what i use and from there maybe we can collaborate on a general guide to off-classing in mixes