People like B4nny or other competitive/great players were.
My brother plays dota2, and 10hours in he was looking up how to get into comp and watching dendi, with 12,000 other people.
not saying star isnt good, but he's famous because he makes videos that are funny to some players.
I was just wondering what that would be like in our community.
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i like my downfrags (:^)) because i asked a question and asked for opinoins
People like B4nny or other competitive/great players were.
My brother plays dota2, and 10hours in he was looking up how to get into comp and watching dendi, with 12,000 other people.
not saying star isnt good, but he's famous because he makes videos that are funny to some players.
I was just wondering what that would be like in our community.
e:
i like my downfrags (:^)) because i asked a question and asked for opinoins
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hmmm
One day Star just woke up and he was famous.
One day Star just woke up and he was famous.
To STARs credit he has uploaded some comp stuff, but not nearly enough. He gets views from mostly silly videos, but sprinkling some more comp stuff in would be nice.
To STARs credit he has uploaded some comp stuff, but not nearly enough. He gets views from mostly silly videos, but sprinkling some more comp stuff in would be nice.
Hellbentstar confirmed shit
i said it nicely, yes?
r4ptureTo STARs credit he has uploaded some comp stuff, but not nearly enough. He gets views from mostly silly videos, but sprinkling some more comp stuff in would be nice.
meh
[quote=Hellbent]star confirmed shit[/quote]
i said it nicely, yes?
[quote=r4pture]To STARs credit he has uploaded some comp stuff, but not nearly enough. He gets views from mostly silly videos, but sprinkling some more comp stuff in would be nice.[/quote]
meh
tf2 has a much more casual scene and is much more casual than dota 2
a 7 year old idiot can play tf2 and not get flamed, with dota im not so sure. the mechanics of dota and it as a whole are also much less accessible
star, jerma, shibby etc. being popular is just the way tf2 is, since tf2 is very casual and competitive aspects of the game are not really visible in game or in a form a pub player can see
that was a bit of a rant
im just saying tf2 is casual/pub-oriented so entertainment is going to be popular, not high skilled content
tf2 has a much more casual scene and is much more casual than dota 2
a 7 year old idiot can play tf2 and not get flamed, with dota im not so sure. the mechanics of dota and it as a whole are also much less accessible
star, jerma, shibby etc. being popular is just the way tf2 is, since tf2 is very casual and competitive aspects of the game are not really visible in game or in a form a pub player can see
[i]that was a bit of a rant[/i]
im just saying tf2 is casual/pub-oriented so entertainment is going to be popular, not high skilled content
Reminixetf2 has a much more casual scene and is much more casual than dota 2
a 7 year old idiot can play tf2 and not get flamed, with dota im not so sure. the mechanics of dota and it as a whole are also much less accessible
star, jerma, shibby etc. being popular is just the way tf2 is, since tf2 is very casual and competitive aspects of the game are not really visible in game or in a form a pub player can see
that was a bit of a rant
im just saying tf2 is casual/pub-oriented so entertainment is going to be popular, not high skilled content
yes, and i wish we had a little bit of comp exposed into pubs. but i'm just asking
[quote=Reminixe]tf2 has a much more casual scene and is much more casual than dota 2
a 7 year old idiot can play tf2 and not get flamed, with dota im not so sure. the mechanics of dota and it as a whole are also much less accessible
star, jerma, shibby etc. being popular is just the way tf2 is, since tf2 is very casual and competitive aspects of the game are not really visible in game or in a form a pub player can see
[i]that was a bit of a rant[/i]
im just saying tf2 is casual/pub-oriented so entertainment is going to be popular, not high skilled content[/quote]
yes, and i wish we had a little bit of comp exposed into pubs. but i'm just asking
you are getting downfragged because even with the tiniest inkling of understanding how comp tf2 worked you would know what you are asking isnt possible/plausible
when dendi is playing dota its the same game that everybody knows as dota
when banny is playing tf2 its very very removed from what 99% of the playerbase knows as tf2
past that youre just one of those assholes who goes "man what if so and so actually did so and so what a turn of events that would be"
you dont need to make a thread to theorycraft what would happen if banny was more popular, its really not that hard to figure it out
you may not be a dumb person but you are asking dumb questions
you are getting downfragged because even with the tiniest inkling of understanding how comp tf2 worked you would know what you are asking isnt possible/plausible
when dendi is playing dota its the same game that everybody knows as dota
when banny is playing tf2 its very very removed from what 99% of the playerbase knows as tf2
past that youre just one of those assholes who goes "man what if so and so actually did so and so what a turn of events that would be"
you dont need to make a thread to theorycraft what would happen if banny was more popular, its really not that hard to figure it out
you may not be a dumb person but you are asking dumb questions
you might not like his fans, but you can't exactly fault him for that when it seems he makes a pretty damn good living pandering to them
he's not exactly indebted to the our community and any sort of competitive outreach he puts up on his youtube could just as easily be replaced with a run-of-the-mill pubbing video that'd net him far more money
a little ways back he even reached out to us to plan a competitive tournament with a very sizeable prize pot funded from his own pockets
you might not like his fans, but you can't exactly fault him for that when it seems he makes a pretty damn good living pandering to them
he's not exactly indebted to the our community and any sort of competitive outreach he puts up on his youtube could just as easily be replaced with a run-of-the-mill pubbing video that'd net him far more money
a little ways back he even reached out to us to plan a competitive tournament with a very sizeable prize pot funded from his own pockets
You need to understand the difference between our game and other competitive games. Games like DOTA2 and CS:GO are BUILT to be competitive games, with a competitive focus. They are supported heavily by Valve, who have larger teams working on them constantly building features and competitive infrastructure into them. TF2 doesn't have this support. Whatever the reason is, TF2 seems to be meant as a "fun" game, or a public server casual game, or an accessible game, or the hats/trading game, whatever.
Our community is amazing - AMAZING. Like it's OUTSTANDING the kind of support we have with crowd funding events like Tip of the Hats or Insomnia LAN OURSELVES. It's mind boggling at times what great work people do with building plugins and addons and HUDs to advance the competitive scene. But Valve seems to be done putting this level of work into this game.
Events like i46/49/52 or the upcoming GXL are very big (for us) and do a lot for exposure. But you need to consider another thing, which is the small amount of international reach we have. Games like DOTA2 and CS:GO have very large reach outside of North America. DOTA especially has strong roots and history in Asia. We have a great Euro scene but the TF2 communities in areas such as Asia, Oceania, and South America are VERY VERY small compared to the massive swaths of people playing and following DOTA in these areas.
When TF2 packs a house, it's maybe a hundred people at a LAN event, plus people who are there for other games who may want to check it out. When DOTA2 packs a house, they pack the Staples Center.
I think it's fantastic that we have a few top streamers/YouTube people who bring hundreds of thousands of views to our game. But I think there are many obstacles preventing us from having lots of those, or bringing in the kind of numbers that players of these worldwide games do.
EDIT: People above make a great, much more concise point than me: TF2 lends itself to "Entertainment" videos, while DOTA2, for example, is more of a competitive game. I am wordy.
You need to understand the difference between our game and other competitive games. Games like DOTA2 and CS:GO are BUILT to be competitive games, with a competitive focus. They are supported heavily by Valve, who have larger teams working on them constantly building features and competitive infrastructure into them. TF2 doesn't have this support. Whatever the reason is, TF2 seems to be meant as a "fun" game, or a public server casual game, or an accessible game, or the hats/trading game, whatever.
Our community is amazing - AMAZING. Like it's OUTSTANDING the kind of support we have with crowd funding events like Tip of the Hats or Insomnia LAN OURSELVES. It's mind boggling at times what great work people do with building plugins and addons and HUDs to advance the competitive scene. But Valve seems to be done putting this level of work into this game.
Events like i46/49/52 or the upcoming GXL are very big (for us) and do a lot for exposure. But you need to consider another thing, which is the small amount of international reach we have. Games like DOTA2 and CS:GO have very large reach outside of North America. DOTA especially has strong roots and history in Asia. We have a great Euro scene but the TF2 communities in areas such as Asia, Oceania, and South America are VERY VERY small compared to the massive swaths of people playing and following DOTA in these areas.
When TF2 packs a house, it's maybe a hundred people at a LAN event, plus people who are there for other games who may want to check it out. When DOTA2 packs a house, they pack the Staples Center.
I think it's fantastic that we have a few top streamers/YouTube people who bring hundreds of thousands of views to our game. But I think there are many obstacles preventing us from having lots of those, or bringing in the kind of numbers that players of these worldwide games do.
EDIT: People above make a great, much more concise point than me: TF2 lends itself to "Entertainment" videos, while DOTA2, for example, is more of a competitive game. I am wordy.
If this turns into another goddamn "how2growcomptf2" thread I'm gonna be upset.
More upset than I was when I opened this thread to start with.
If this turns into another goddamn "how2growcomptf2" thread I'm gonna be upset.
More upset than I was when I opened this thread to start with.
I haven't passed Philosophy 301 to obtain the credentials required to answer this question.
I haven't passed Philosophy 301 to obtain the credentials required to answer this question.
myou are getting downfragged because even with the tiniest inkling of understanding how comp tf2 worked you would know what you are asking isnt possible/plausible
when dendi is playing dota its the same game that everybody knows as dota
when banny is playing tf2 its very very removed from what 99% of the playerbase knows as tf2
past that youre just one of those assholes who goes "man what if so and so actually did so and so what a turn of events that would be"
you dont need to make a thread to theorycraft what would happen if banny was more popular, its really not that hard to figure it out
you may not be a dumb person but you are asking dumb questions
GetawhaleYou need to understand the difference between our game and other competitive games. Games like DOTA2 and CS:GO are BUILT to be competitive games, with a competitive focus. They are supported heavily by Valve, who have larger teams working on them constantly building features and competitive infrastructure into them. TF2 doesn't have this support. Whatever the reason is, TF2 seems to be meant as a "fun" game, or a public server casual game, or an accessible game, or the hats/trading game, whatever.
Our community is amazing - AMAZING. Like it's OUTSTANDING the kind of support we have with crowd funding events like Tip of the Hats or Insomnia LAN OURSELVES. It's mind boggling at times what great work people do with building plugins and addons and HUDs to advance the competitive scene. But Valve seems to be done putting this level of work into this game.
Events like i46/49/52 or the upcoming GXL are very big (for us) and do a lot for exposure. But you need to consider another thing, which is the small amount of international reach we have. Games like DOTA2 and CS:GO have very large reach outside of North America. DOTA especially has strong roots and history in Asia. We have a great Euro scene but the TF2 communities in areas such as Asia, Oceania, and South America are VERY VERY small compared to the massive swaths of people playing and following DOTA in these areas.
When TF2 packs a house, it's maybe a hundred people at a LAN event, plus people who are there for other games who may want to check it out. When DOTA2 packs a house, they pack the Staples Center.
I think it's fantastic that we have a few top streamers/YouTube people who bring hundreds of thousands of views to our game. But I think there are many obstacles preventing us from having lots of those, or bringing in the kind of numbers that players of these worldwide games do.
EDIT: People above make a great, much more concise point than me: TF2 lends itself to "Entertainment" videos, while DOTA2, for example, is more of a competitive game. I am wordy.
enigmayou might not like his fans, but you can't exactly fault him for that when it seems he makes a pretty damn good living pandering to them
he's not exactly indebted to the our community and any sort of competitive outreach he puts up on his youtube could just as easily be replaced with a run-of-the-mill pubbing video that'd net him far more money
a little ways back he even reached out to us to plan a competitive tournament with a very sizeable prize pot funded from his own pockets
None of you read my post.
I was asking what it would be like, not if it's possible.
And I know the answer from my pov, not others.
[quote=m]you are getting downfragged because even with the tiniest inkling of understanding how comp tf2 worked you would know what you are asking isnt possible/plausible
when dendi is playing dota its the same game that everybody knows as dota
when banny is playing tf2 its very very removed from what 99% of the playerbase knows as tf2
past that youre just one of those assholes who goes "man what if so and so actually did so and so what a turn of events that would be"
you dont need to make a thread to theorycraft what would happen if banny was more popular, its really not that hard to figure it out
you may not be a dumb person but you are asking dumb questions[/quote]
[quote=Getawhale]You need to understand the difference between our game and other competitive games. Games like DOTA2 and CS:GO are BUILT to be competitive games, with a competitive focus. They are supported heavily by Valve, who have larger teams working on them constantly building features and competitive infrastructure into them. TF2 doesn't have this support. Whatever the reason is, TF2 seems to be meant as a "fun" game, or a public server casual game, or an accessible game, or the hats/trading game, whatever.
Our community is amazing - AMAZING. Like it's OUTSTANDING the kind of support we have with crowd funding events like Tip of the Hats or Insomnia LAN OURSELVES. It's mind boggling at times what great work people do with building plugins and addons and HUDs to advance the competitive scene. But Valve seems to be done putting this level of work into this game.
Events like i46/49/52 or the upcoming GXL are very big (for us) and do a lot for exposure. But you need to consider another thing, which is the small amount of international reach we have. Games like DOTA2 and CS:GO have very large reach outside of North America. DOTA especially has strong roots and history in Asia. We have a great Euro scene but the TF2 communities in areas such as Asia, Oceania, and South America are VERY VERY small compared to the massive swaths of people playing and following DOTA in these areas.
When TF2 packs a house, it's maybe a hundred people at a LAN event, plus people who are there for other games who may want to check it out. When DOTA2 packs a house, they pack the Staples Center.
I think it's fantastic that we have a few top streamers/YouTube people who bring hundreds of thousands of views to our game. But I think there are many obstacles preventing us from having lots of those, or bringing in the kind of numbers that players of these worldwide games do.
EDIT: People above make a great, much more concise point than me: TF2 lends itself to "Entertainment" videos, while DOTA2, for example, is more of a competitive game. I am wordy.[/quote]
[quote=enigma]you might not like his fans, but you can't exactly fault him for that when it seems he makes a pretty damn good living pandering to them
he's not exactly indebted to the our community and any sort of competitive outreach he puts up on his youtube could just as easily be replaced with a run-of-the-mill pubbing video that'd net him far more money
a little ways back he even reached out to us to plan a competitive tournament with a very sizeable prize pot funded from his own pockets[/quote]
None of you read my post.
I was asking what it would be like, not if it's possible.
And I know the answer from my pov, not others.
What would it be like? More people would probably play competitive tf2
What would it be like? More people would probably play competitive tf2
LazyPandaWhat would it be like? More people would probably play competitive tf2
Well no, more people would have to play comp to even know who B4nny is.
defystick to reddit op
I don't reddit, I have 14 accounts banned from r/tf2.
[quote=LazyPanda]What would it be like? More people would probably play competitive tf2[/quote]
Well no, more people would have to play comp to even know who B4nny is.
[quote=defy]stick to reddit op[/quote]
I don't reddit, I have 14 accounts banned from r/tf2.
I don't reddit, I have 14 accounts banned from r/tf2.
damn, you're just a regular bad ass huh
[quote]I don't reddit, I have 14 accounts banned from r/tf2.[/quote]
damn, you're just a regular bad ass huh
aight hyperion youre literally retarded and just the knowledge that you exist is starting to ruin my day so im just gonna remove you from my version of the internet and pretend that your parents never fucked
aight hyperion youre literally retarded and just the knowledge that you exist is starting to ruin my day so im just gonna remove you from my version of the internet and pretend that your parents never fucked
HyperionI don't reddit, I have 14 accounts banned from r/tf2.
You mean you suck at reddit.
[quote=Hyperion]
I don't reddit, I have 14 accounts banned from r/tf2.[/quote]
You mean you suck at reddit.
hyperion i thought you were actually trying to strike an intelligent conversation at first but like stop posting
hyperion i thought you were actually trying to strike an intelligent conversation at first but like stop posting
Where is the financial incentive if b4nny was getting paid as little as 100$ a video we would have
an overwhelming amount of videos. Making these videos is hard work and it has to appeal to the masses and since the tf2 Comp community is so small compared to the rest star knows what the everyday player wants. So why should he be targeting us if we area tiny fraction. my 2 cents
Where is the financial incentive if b4nny was getting paid as little as 100$ a video we would have
an overwhelming amount of videos. Making these videos is hard work and it has to appeal to the masses and since the tf2 Comp community is so small compared to the rest star knows what the everyday player wants. So why should he be targeting us if we area tiny fraction. my 2 cents
yo defy has more stars than mason, cool.
yo defy has more stars than mason, cool.
star is the fucking man. fuck you yo.
star is the fucking man. fuck you yo.
love you thrill, c u @ gxl unf a lunf
love you thrill, c u @ gxl unf a lunf
HyperionLazyPandaWhat would it be like? More people would probably play competitive tf2
Well no, more people would have to play comp to even know who B4nny is.
wait, if you said what if b4nny was famous instead of star, why would more people have to play competitive to know who he is if he's already famous?
[quote=Hyperion][quote=LazyPanda]What would it be like? More people would probably play competitive tf2[/quote]
Well no, more people would have to play comp to even know who B4nny is.
[/quote] wait, if you said what if b4nny was famous instead of star, why would more people have to play competitive to know who he is if he's already famous?
ulmyxxWhere is the financial incentive if b4nny was getting paid as little as 100$ a video we would have
an overwhelming amount of videos. Making these videos is hard work and it has to appeal to the masses and since the tf2 Comp community is so small compared to the rest star knows what the everyday player wants. So why should he be targeting us if we area tiny fraction. my 2 cents
isn't that how those old MGE tutorial videos were created? bunch of invite players make videos that you had to pay for?
[quote=ulmyxx]Where is the financial incentive if b4nny was getting paid as little as 100$ a video we would have
an overwhelming amount of videos. Making these videos is hard work and it has to appeal to the masses and since the tf2 Comp community is so small compared to the rest star knows what the everyday player wants. So why should he be targeting us if we area tiny fraction. my 2 cents[/quote]
isn't that how those old MGE tutorial videos were created? bunch of invite players make videos that you had to pay for?
Although STAR_ does play some comp TF2, his career is to entertain people. He uses TF2 as an avenue to make a living.
Although STAR_ does play some comp TF2, his career is to entertain people. He uses TF2 as an avenue to make a living.
he's funny and he's not complete shit so i guess he's cool
he's funny and he's not complete shit so i guess he's cool
I just don't get the hate he gets, he makes fun, casual videos while getting more people interested in tf2, and who knows, some of those players will hear of competitive (and STAR has talked about this multiple times anyway) and progress into it themselves. That's not really a bad thing, is it? It's fine if you don't like his jokes but there's really no reason to hate the guy, at least to me.
I just don't get the hate he gets, he makes fun, casual videos while getting more people interested in tf2, and who knows, some of those players will hear of competitive (and STAR has talked about this multiple times anyway) and progress into it themselves. That's not really a bad thing, is it? It's fine if you don't like his jokes but there's really no reason to hate the guy, at least to me.