sun possible cheater

#61

freakin

28 Frags – +

zennonisalso sorry sun, i really feel like shit for doing thisShould probably have sent it to your anti-cheat admins instead of slandering him publically.

its only slander if the accusations are false. And, well...

[quote=zen][quote=nonis]also sorry sun, i really feel like shit for doing this[/quote]
Should probably have sent it to your anti-cheat admins instead of slandering him publically.[/quote]
its only slander if the accusations are false. And, well...

#62

Vortex

4 Frags – +

smoboCrizzlClaims he doesn't trigger while the viewmodel glitches out all the time commonly associated with triggers.mind elaborating on this?

There's something that happens with triggerbots where the viewmodel will briefly enter the fire animation while reloading if you mouse over someone. I don't know when it was originally found, but someone found it happening a lot while reviewing a rep demo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-I48C5cfmE around 15 seconds

http://www.twitch.tv/nonis3/b/548946247

If you check ~35 seconds and ~1 min 14 seconds along with some other times you can see it with sun as well.

EDIT: Does anyone remember the command for checking the commands used in console like in the rep video? It's a good way of seeing if he ever pressed +attack and he definitely had P-REC up on that game. So if he wants to release his demo it would be "conclusive" as if it wasn't already.

[quote=smobo][quote=Crizzl]Claims he doesn't trigger while the viewmodel glitches out all the time commonly associated with triggers.[/quote]
mind elaborating on this?[/quote] There's something that happens with triggerbots where the viewmodel will briefly enter the fire animation while reloading if you mouse over someone. I don't know when it was originally found, but someone found it happening a lot while reviewing a rep demo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-I48C5cfmE around 15 seconds

http://www.twitch.tv/nonis3/b/548946247

If you check ~35 seconds and ~1 min 14 seconds along with some other times you can see it with sun as well.

EDIT: Does anyone remember the command for checking the commands used in console like in the rep video? It's a good way of seeing if he ever pressed +attack and he definitely had P-REC up on that game. So if he wants to release his demo it would be "conclusive" as if it wasn't already.

#63

nanimal

20 Frags – +

what makes this more upsetting is how massive his ego is. hes a nice guy but all he ever talks about in mumble is shit like "i'm gonna be invite within the next 2 months or so" and "people just don't realize that i'm sniping on a level above max and sheep" etc, etc. its just sad how long hes going to keep this charade up for.

#64

remedy

0 Frags – +

assuming he sleeps 8 hours a night thats like 2 hours a day not playing tf2

#65

deetr

7 Frags – +

Well he's going to GXL, so we shall have confirmation then if he isn't found out before that

#66

Abri

15 Frags – +

nanimalhes a nice guy but all he ever talks about in mumble is shit like "people just don't realize that i'm sniping on a level above max and sheep"

HAHAHAH did he actually say that shit

[quote=nanimal]hes a nice guy but all he ever talks about in mumble is shit like "people just don't realize that i'm sniping on a level above max and sheep"[/quote]

HAHAHAH did he actually say that shit

#67

Rick

11 Frags – +

everyone knows hackers are scum of the earth and get jumped at lans.... be weary my friends

#68

Cobra447

12 Frags – +

DeetrWell he's going to GXL, so we shall have confirmation then if he isn't found out before that

He's not actually going to go...

[quote=Deetr]Well he's going to GXL, so we shall have confirmation then if he isn't found out before that[/quote]

He's not actually going to go...

#69

Crizzl

6 Frags – +

VortexsmoboCrizzlClaims he doesn't trigger while the viewmodel glitches out all the time commonly associated with triggers.mind elaborating on this? There's something that happens with triggerbots where the viewmodel will briefly enter the fire animation while reloading if you mouse over someone. I don't know when it was originally found, but someone found it happening a lot while reviewing a rep demo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-I48C5cfmE around 15 seconds

http://www.twitch.tv/nonis3/b/548946247

If you check ~35 seconds and ~1 min 14 seconds along with some other times you can see it with sun as well.

EDIT: Does anyone remember the command for checking the commands used in console like in the rep video? It's a good way of seeing if he ever pressed +attack and he definitely had P-REC up on that game. So if he wants to release his demo it would be "conclusive" as if it wasn't already.

It should be noted that it doesn't automatically mean the person is triggerbotting. It can also happen if the microswitch in the mouse is faulty so that it registers multiple clicks instead of one.

[quote=Vortex][quote=smobo][quote=Crizzl]Claims he doesn't trigger while the viewmodel glitches out all the time commonly associated with triggers.[/quote]
mind elaborating on this?[/quote] There's something that happens with triggerbots where the viewmodel will briefly enter the fire animation while reloading if you mouse over someone. I don't know when it was originally found, but someone found it happening a lot while reviewing a rep demo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-I48C5cfmE around 15 seconds

http://www.twitch.tv/nonis3/b/548946247

If you check ~35 seconds and ~1 min 14 seconds along with some other times you can see it with sun as well.

EDIT: Does anyone remember the command for checking the commands used in console like in the rep video? It's a good way of seeing if he ever pressed +attack and he definitely had P-REC up on that game. So if he wants to release his demo it would be "conclusive" as if it wasn't already.[/quote]

It should be noted that it doesn't automatically mean the person is triggerbotting. It can also happen if the microswitch in the mouse is faulty so that it registers multiple clicks instead of one.

#70

atmo

1 Frags – +

VortexEDIT: Does anyone remember the command for checking the commands used in console like in the rep video? It's a good way of seeing if he ever pressed +attack and he definitely had P-REC up on that game. So if he wants to release his demo it would be "conclusive" as if it wasn't already.

http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/5590

[quote=Vortex]EDIT: Does anyone remember the command for checking the commands used in console like in the rep video? It's a good way of seeing if he ever pressed +attack and he definitely had P-REC up on that game. So if he wants to release his demo it would be "conclusive" as if it wasn't already.[/quote]
http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/5590

#71

sherman_gluck

11 Frags – +

so this match and the others hes played in are turned over?

it was his own team that turned him in

edit: never mind his team somehow lost that match anyway

so this match and the others hes played in are turned over?

it was his own team that turned him in

edit: never mind his team somehow lost that match anyway

#72

hooli

7 Frags – +

here's his pov demo

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xntjjrnwb9s79wh/20140718_2206_koth_badlands_red_blu.dem

here's his pov demo

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xntjjrnwb9s79wh/20140718_2206_koth_badlands_red_blu.dem

#73

JohnMilter

24 Frags – +

Caspian: brb
cranked gamer: if u get vac banned for cheatin do u lose trading rights
cranked gamer is now Online.
Caspian: ya
cranked gamer: nice
cranked gamer has changed their name to shrt.
shrt: gonna add sun and offer to quickbuy his shit
shrt: before vac ban
shrt: http://cdn.steamcommunity.com/economy/emoticon/hype

#74

Rake

1 Frags – +

He completely missed 11 shots total assuming I didn't fast forward past any.

#75

Crackle

2 Frags – +

probably cheating.

#76

mana

9 Frags – +

Considering that the evidence is incredibly strong, that he acted like an ass upon revealing, and the fact that a friend talk positively about him instead of sun apologizing or even doing a sub par defense, it seems pretty obvious.

sun if you don't want to have a serious mark on your record in this community (it might even be too late now), you should apologize (after your ban is over heh) and stop having an ego (don't forget to grow some balls, too). Some people said to not go to GXL but that's up to you. If you keep this up, I guarantee no one will want to talk to you there. That's not going to feel good.

Considering that the evidence is incredibly strong, that he acted like an ass upon revealing, and the fact that a friend talk positively about him instead of sun apologizing or even doing a sub par defense, it seems pretty obvious.

sun if you don't want to have a serious mark on your record in this community (it might even be too late now), you should apologize (after your ban is over heh) and stop having an ego (don't forget to grow some balls, too). Some people said to not go to GXL but that's up to you. If you keep this up, I guarantee no one will want to talk to you there. That's not going to feel good.

#77

vile

22 Frags – +

Rickeveryone knows hackers are scum of the earth and get jumped at lans.... be weary my friends

nigga don't promote violence. no one is getting jumped for hacking. it would be pointless to go to lan though since it's pretty much a social thing.

[quote=Rick]everyone knows hackers are scum of the earth and get jumped at lans.... be weary my friends[/quote]

nigga don't promote violence. no one is getting jumped for hacking. it would be pointless to go to lan though since it's pretty much a social thing.

#78

Comanglia

5 Frags – +

how in the fuck is anyones aim that shit... he must use an absurdly high sens (like 0.4in/360) or get like 20fps. pretty blatant triggerbot too.

#79

Pete

0 Frags – +

http://teamfortress.tv/thread/5590/repost-see-player-keypresses-when-watching-a-dem

Use this on the demo I am lazy

http://teamfortress.tv/thread/5590/repost-see-player-keypresses-when-watching-a-dem

Use this on the demo I am lazy

#80

Vortex

0 Frags – +

Knuckles_http://teamfortress.tv/thread/5590/repost-see-player-keypresses-when-watching-a-dem

Use this on the demo I am lazy

nonis did this and +attack is being inputted every time he shoots unlike the rep case.

of course that doesn't mean he's legit at all because it's pretty fucking blatant

[quote=Knuckles_]http://teamfortress.tv/thread/5590/repost-see-player-keypresses-when-watching-a-dem

Use this on the demo I am lazy[/quote] nonis did this and +attack is being inputted every time he shoots unlike the rep case.

of course that doesn't mean he's legit at all because it's pretty fucking blatant

#81

nonis

1 Frags – +

VortexKnuckles_http://teamfortress.tv/thread/5590/repost-see-player-keypresses-when-watching-a-dem

Use this on the demo I am lazy nonis did this and +attack is being inputted every time he shoots unlike the rep case.

of course that doesn't mean he's legit at all because it's pretty fucking blatant

yeah if you actually want to see it, http://www.twitch.tv/nonis3/b/549248109
go to 11:50

[quote=Vortex][quote=Knuckles_]http://teamfortress.tv/thread/5590/repost-see-player-keypresses-when-watching-a-dem

Use this on the demo I am lazy[/quote] nonis did this and +attack is being inputted every time he shoots unlike the rep case.

of course that doesn't mean he's legit at all because it's pretty fucking blatant[/quote]
yeah if you actually want to see it, http://www.twitch.tv/nonis3/b/549248109
go to 11:50

#82

marmadukeGRYLLS

-2 Frags – +

12

#83

Comanglia

0 Frags – +

marmadukeGRYLLSJohnMilterhttp://sizzlingstats.com/stats/248920
95% of his kills are headshots. he need a team for gxl? i need 1 more.

how much you want to bet it was a crater kill that wasn't the headshot lol.

[quote=marmadukeGRYLLS]
[quote=JohnMilter]http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/248920
[/quote]

95% of his kills are headshots. he need a team for gxl? i need 1 more.[/quote]

how much you want to bet it was a crater kill that wasn't the headshot lol.

#84

hooli

12 Frags – +

I don't need to make a video but you can clearly see in nonis' vod that there is 0 delay between when m1 is depressed and released; an action humans are incapable of performing.

#85

nonis

6 Frags – +

hooliI don't need to make a video but you can clearly see in nonis' vod that there is 0 delay between when m1 is depressed and released; an action humans are incapable of performing.

how did i not notice that lol

detective hooli

[quote=hooli]I don't need to make a video but you can clearly see in nonis' vod that there is 0 delay between when m1 is depressed and released; an action humans are incapable of performing.[/quote]
how did i not notice that lol

detective hooli

#86

kirby

5 Frags – +

even with the sniper rifle picture being there, can we not directly link to cheats?

#87

tooth

25 Frags – +

nonishooliI don't need to make a video but you can clearly see in nonis' vod that there is 0 delay between when m1 is depressed and released; an action humans are incapable of performing.how did i not notice that lol

To add some basic numbers to this:
At 16:02 in the VOD located here: http://www.twitch.tv/nonis3/b/549248109

at tick 6271 mouse2 (+attack2) was depressed to zoom in
at tick 6282 mouse2 (-attack2) was released

at tick 6383 mouse1 (+attack) was depressed to shoot
at tick 6383 mouse1 (+attack) was released

As a reference point a tick is 1/66th of a second (TF2 servers are locked to 66 tick). This means that mouse1 would have to be depressed AND released all in less than 1/66 of a second aka 15 ms.

Now this last part I know is a bit of a stretch but I thought it was interesting/amusing so here it goes anyway:
If you were to click 66 times every second you would end up with 660 clicks in 10 seconds in this neat little game http://www.brainbashers.com/10seconds.asp

I got 79.

[quote=nonis][quote=hooli]I don't need to make a video but you can clearly see in nonis' vod that there is 0 delay between when m1 is depressed and released; an action humans are incapable of performing.[/quote]
how did i not notice that lol[/quote]

To add some basic numbers to this:
At 16:02 in the VOD located here: http://www.twitch.tv/nonis3/b/549248109

at tick 6271 mouse2 (+attack2) was depressed to zoom in
at tick 6282 mouse2 (-attack2) was released

at tick [b]6383[/b] mouse1 (+attack) was depressed to shoot
at tick [b]6383[/b] mouse1 (+attack) was released

As a reference point a tick is 1/66th of a second (TF2 servers are locked to 66 tick). This means that mouse1 would have to be depressed AND released all in less than 1/66 of a second aka 15 ms.

[b][/b]
[b][/b]
Now this last part I know is a bit of a stretch but I thought it was interesting/amusing so here it goes anyway:
If you were to click 66 times every second you would end up with 660 clicks in 10 seconds in this neat little game http://www.brainbashers.com/10seconds.asp

I got 79.

#88

Alfie

7 Frags – +

toothNow this last part I know is a bit of a stretch but I thought it was interesting/amusing so here it goes anyway:
If you were to click 66 times every second you would end up with 660 clicks in 10 seconds in this neat little game http://www.brainbashers.com/10seconds.asp

I got 79.

inb4 thread turns into highest score thread

okay my turn, I got 95

[quote=tooth]
Now this last part I know is a bit of a stretch but I thought it was interesting/amusing so here it goes anyway:
If you were to click 66 times every second you would end up with 660 clicks in 10 seconds in this neat little game http://www.brainbashers.com/10seconds.asp

I got 79.[/quote]
inb4 thread turns into highest score thread

okay my turn, I got 95

#89

mmrarkte

4 Frags – +

80. how the fuck did you get 95?

#90

Fangles

5 Frags – +

ded