Ond_kajaThere's no such thing as fair pings. Either you play on an NA server and the Europeans get the ping disadvantage or you play on a European server and the Americans get the ping disadvantage, there is no middle ground.
I'd originally brought up pings when I'd thought the Nations Cup was intended as an global invitation, in which case a server located between the two countries would be a good idea (imagine Japan vs Brazil, etc); or it would make sense to do a map in each country. I was thinking beyond Europe and NA. However, that is neither here nor there since that isn't what the Nations Cup is actually about.
I think kKaltUu makes a lot of good points and I was surprised yesterday when I learned that the US team had turned down the offer to replay the round, although I'm guessing frustration understandably played a large part in their decision. I find it hopeful that maybe it isn't too late to fix some things. Despite my nationality, I was rooting for England to win simply because I had closer friends on their team, but I know that I for one would still love to see that round replayed.
[quote=Ond_kaja]There's no such thing as fair pings. Either you play on an NA server and the Europeans get the ping disadvantage or you play on a European server and the Americans get the ping disadvantage, there is no middle ground.[/quote]
I'd originally brought up pings when I'd thought the Nations Cup was intended as an global invitation, in which case a server located between the two countries would be a good idea (imagine Japan vs Brazil, etc); or it would make sense to do a map in each country. I was thinking beyond Europe and NA. However, that is neither here nor there since that isn't what the Nations Cup is actually about.
I think kKaltUu makes a lot of good points and I was surprised yesterday when I learned that the US team had turned down the offer to replay the round, although I'm guessing frustration understandably played a large part in their decision. I find it hopeful that maybe it isn't too late to fix some things. Despite my nationality, I was rooting for England to win simply because I had closer friends on their team, but I know that I for one would still love to see that round replayed.
DigresserOnd_kajaThere's no such thing as fair pings. Either you play on an NA server and the Europeans get the ping disadvantage or you play on a European server and the Americans get the ping disadvantage, there is no middle ground.
I'd originally brought up pings when I'd thought the Nations Cup was intended as an global invitation, in which case a server located between the two countries would be a good idea (imagine Japan vs Brazil, etc); or it would make sense to do a map in each country. I was thinking beyond Europe and NA. However, that is neither here nor there since that isn't what the Nations Cup is actually about.
That isn't fair either, in a best of three situation you'd still have to play two maps on one server where the other team has a ping disadvantage.
[quote=Digresser][quote=Ond_kaja]There's no such thing as fair pings. Either you play on an NA server and the Europeans get the ping disadvantage or you play on a European server and the Americans get the ping disadvantage, there is no middle ground.[/quote]
I'd originally brought up pings when I'd thought the Nations Cup was intended as an global invitation, in which case a server located between the two countries would be a good idea (imagine Japan vs Brazil, etc); or it would make sense to do a map in each country. I was thinking beyond Europe and NA. However, that is neither here nor there since that isn't what the Nations Cup is actually about.
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That isn't fair either, in a best of three situation you'd still have to play two maps on one server where the other team has a ping disadvantage.
I personally wasn't aware that england offered to replay the round. I knew hildreth said he wanted to, but the impression I got was that the rest of his team wasn't willing to replay the round. I could be wrong though.
I personally wasn't aware that england offered to replay the round. I knew hildreth said he wanted to, but the impression I got was that the rest of his team wasn't willing to replay the round. I could be wrong though.
As I said in my original post, our scheduling issues sucked until this weekend. No complaints about playing yesterday.
I personally proposed at least two times a piece for the first three matches we had. If the site doesn't show that than I don't know what to say. I can only play weekends and I really wanted to play, so I offered every weekend day possible for those three matches. Almost every one of those were rejected within 5-30 minutes. Getting rejected to the default time is still getting jerked around when it's clearly a bad time for us. After that I stopped personally doing it because it was clear it was a long shot I'd get to participate. Overseer took over from there and the games were scheduled just to get them played because we probably wouldn't lose in the group stages regardless of roster. I still watched offers get made, rejected, remade, withdrawn, remade, rejected a bunch of times while not doing it myself. Still really annoying to get rejected for every weekend when a lot of games were happening then anyway. Guess I can't argue with an admin though, even if what you say isn't what actually happened.
I honestly didn't see an offer to replay that round and I don't think anyone else on our side did. It wasn't mentioned in mumble. It was probably lost in the chat among the GGs, shit-talk, disconnects and everything else. The chat at the end of that game made it seem pretty final. That's on me though, so sorry.
I don't accept friend invites in general. Sorry, pyro-doppleganger buddy.
*edit* seeing what Spamfest wrote above I got the same feeling. I just didn't even see Hildreth say anything.
As I said in my original post, our scheduling issues sucked until this weekend. No complaints about playing yesterday.
I [b]personally[/b] proposed at least two times a piece for the first three matches we had. If the site doesn't show that than I don't know what to say. I can only play weekends and I really wanted to play, so I offered every weekend day possible for those three matches. Almost every one of those were rejected within 5-30 minutes. Getting rejected to the default time is still getting jerked around when it's clearly a bad time for us. After that I stopped personally doing it because it was clear it was a long shot I'd get to participate. Overseer took over from there and the games were scheduled just to get them played because we probably wouldn't lose in the group stages regardless of roster. I still watched offers get made, rejected, remade, withdrawn, remade, rejected a bunch of times while not doing it myself. Still really annoying to get rejected for every weekend when a lot of games were happening then anyway. Guess I can't argue with an admin though, even if what you say isn't what actually happened.
I honestly didn't see an offer to replay that round and I don't think anyone else on our side did. It wasn't mentioned in mumble. It was probably lost in the chat among the GGs, shit-talk, disconnects and everything else. The chat at the end of that game made it seem pretty final. That's on me though, so sorry.
I don't accept friend invites in general. Sorry, pyro-doppleganger buddy.
*edit* seeing what Spamfest wrote above I got the same feeling. I just didn't even see Hildreth say anything.
SpamfestI personally wasn't aware that england offered to replay the round. I knew hildreth said he wanted to, but the impression I got was that the rest of his team wasn't willing to replay the round. I could be wrong though.
I did want to do but I was in the minority of my team, some of the lads were quite annoyed about the delays to feel sympathy - end of the day it was nearly 11pm and people had to get up early, some of them even have bedtimes (lol). I certainly couldn't blame my team for not wanting to replay.
With that said, I was confident we were going to win either way I just wanted to do it right, doesn't feel like a deserved victory even though we played really well. Good game, hope to see you in the next Nations Cup. I also don't know why a lot of the teams refused weekends for you, majority of teams play on a Sunday at the very least, it was probably more a case teams didn't want to be understrength and were missing players, I don't think teams are malicious enough to purposely make you play on a weekday.
[quote=Spamfest]I personally wasn't aware that england offered to replay the round. I knew hildreth said he wanted to, but the impression I got was that the rest of his team wasn't willing to replay the round. I could be wrong though.[/quote]
I did want to do but I was in the minority of my team, some of the lads were quite annoyed about the delays to feel sympathy - end of the day it was nearly 11pm and people had to get up early, some of them even have bedtimes (lol). I certainly couldn't blame my team for not wanting to replay.
With that said, I was confident we were going to win either way I just wanted to do it right, doesn't feel like a deserved victory even though we played really well. Good game, hope to see you in the next Nations Cup. I also don't know why a lot of the teams refused weekends for you, majority of teams play on a Sunday at the very least, it was probably more a case teams didn't want to be understrength and were missing players, I don't think teams are malicious enough to purposely make you play on a weekday.
I may be wrong or an idiot for saying this but maybe in the future etf2l can do something like this for server issues.
eg: say it's USA vs Russia
Map 1 can be played on an American server that still gives most of russia decent ping in the low to mid 100s.
Map 2 can be played on a russian server that still gives most of USA decent ping in the low to mid 100s.
Map 3 is played on the server of the team with the better record. Say USA is 3-0 and Russia is 2-1 then its on the American server.
Just a suggestion, feel free to critique.
I may be wrong or an idiot for saying this but maybe in the future etf2l can do something like this for server issues.
eg: say it's USA vs Russia
Map 1 can be played on an American server that still gives most of russia decent ping in the low to mid 100s.
Map 2 can be played on a russian server that still gives most of USA decent ping in the low to mid 100s.
Map 3 is played on the server of the team with the better record. Say USA is 3-0 and Russia is 2-1 then its on the American server.
Just a suggestion, feel free to critique.
eagletfI may be wrong or an idiot for saying this but maybe in the future etf2l can do something like this for server issues.
eg: say it's USA vs Russia
Map 1 can be played on an American server that still gives most of russia decent ping in the low to mid 100s.
Map 2 can be played on a russian server that still gives most of USA decent ping in the low to mid 100s.
Map 3 is played on the server of the team with the better record. Say USA is 3-0 and Russia is 2-1 then its on the American server.
Just a suggestion, feel free to critique.
The ETF2L admins have made it clear in this thread that the Nations Cup is aimed at European countries and thus European servers are preferred. Your idea would work for a competition that was interested in being global or perhaps for some types of showmatches.
Also, I don't think it was server issues that affected the US/England match, but Steam issues. Steam was down for about 40 minutes and anyone who logged out during that time couldn't reconnect. After Steam returned, players seemed to time out from TF2 more.
[quote=eagletf]I may be wrong or an idiot for saying this but maybe in the future etf2l can do something like this for server issues.
eg: say it's USA vs Russia
Map 1 can be played on an American server that still gives most of russia decent ping in the low to mid 100s.
Map 2 can be played on a russian server that still gives most of USA decent ping in the low to mid 100s.
Map 3 is played on the server of the team with the better record. Say USA is 3-0 and Russia is 2-1 then its on the American server.
Just a suggestion, feel free to critique.[/quote]
The ETF2L admins have made it clear in this thread that the Nations Cup is aimed at European countries and thus European servers are preferred. Your idea would work for a competition that was interested in being global or perhaps for some types of showmatches.
Also, I don't think it was server issues that affected the US/England match, but Steam issues. Steam was down for about 40 minutes and anyone who logged out during that time couldn't reconnect. After Steam returned, players seemed to time out from TF2 more.
eagletfMap 1 can be played on an American server that still gives most of russia decent ping in the low to mid 100s.
Map 2 can be played on a russian server that still gives most of USA decent ping in the low to mid 100s.
good luck finding those servers
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Map 1 can be played on an American server that still gives most of russia decent ping in the low to mid 100s.
Map 2 can be played on a russian server that still gives most of USA decent ping in the low to mid 100s.
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good luck finding those servers