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cloud 9's problems of old continue. Not surprising at all
cloud 9's problems of old continue. Not surprising at all
Even Australia > NA cs. You'd think with the resources and sponsors some of our teams have they'd be able to get something done.
Even Australia > NA cs. You'd think with the resources and sponsors some of our teams have they'd be able to get something done.
Maybe they would if they actually invited the best teams in na instead of fucking liquid
Maybe they would if they actually invited the best teams in na instead of fucking liquid
THe problem with NA as it seems is we really don't have anything other than riflers. We have yet to create a world class IGL. Skadoodle is fine as far as awping goes but he's only one dude and he's special on the world scene.
Teams can completely get dragged through games with a worse individual skill than the opponent. The NA scene has decent riflers I think (shroud, tarik, freaks is ok, nothings alright, swag, nitro etc) but there really isn't too much surrounding that. If NA were to produce a good IGL I think we really could go somewhere with skadoodle on a team with them.
For example Happy from the old LDLC squad with Apex, kqly, uzi, and maniac was not incredibly skilled individually. However with Happy's fantastic IGL skills and solid rifle play, he continued to drag his lower skilled team through many tournaments to top4s and a final or two (I think
tl;dr NA needs a good IGL to actually compete against good teams
THe problem with NA as it seems is we really don't have anything other than riflers. We have yet to create a world class IGL. Skadoodle is fine as far as awping goes but he's only one dude and he's special on the world scene.
Teams can completely get dragged through games with a worse individual skill than the opponent. The NA scene has decent riflers I think (shroud, tarik, freaks is ok, nothings alright, swag, nitro etc) but there really isn't too much surrounding that. If NA were to produce a good IGL I think we really could go somewhere with skadoodle on a team with them.
For example Happy from the old LDLC squad with Apex, kqly, uzi, and maniac was not incredibly skilled individually. However with Happy's fantastic IGL skills and solid rifle play, he continued to drag his lower skilled team through many tournaments to top4s and a final or two (I think
tl;dr NA needs a good IGL to actually compete against good teams
Teams can completely get dragged through games with a worse individual skill than the opponent. The NA scene has decent riflers I think (shroud, tarik, freaks is ok, nothings alright, swag, nitro etc) but there really isn't too much surrounding that. If NA were to produce a good IGL I think we really could go somewhere with skadoodle on a team with them.
For example Happy from the old LDLC squad with Apex, kqly, uzi, and maniac was not incredibly skilled individually. However with Happy's fantastic IGL skills and solid rifle play, he continued to drag his lower skilled team through many tournaments to top4s and a final or two (I think
tl;dr NA needs a good IGL to actually compete against good teams
ChinGooMaybe they would if they actually invited the best teams in na instead of fucking liquid
I agree, they should've invited keyd stars :D
[quote=ChinGoo]Maybe they would if they actually invited the best teams in na instead of fucking liquid[/quote]
I agree, they should've invited keyd stars :D
I agree, they should've invited keyd stars :D
NiP getting rekt
also http://i.imgur.com/5WTQ3PB.png
NiP getting rekt
also http://i.imgur.com/5WTQ3PB.png
also http://i.imgur.com/5WTQ3PB.png
Red_THe problem with NA as it seems is we really don't have anything other than riflers. We have yet to create a world class IGL. Skadoodle is fine as far as awping goes but he's only one dude and he's special on the world scene.
Teams can completely get dragged through games with a worse individual skill than the opponent. The NA scene has decent riflers I think (shroud, tarik, freaks is ok, nothings alright, swag, nitro etc) but there really isn't too much surrounding that. If NA were to produce a good IGL I think we really could go somewhere with skadoodle on a team with them.
For example Happy from the old LDLC squad with Apex, kqly, uzi, and maniac was not incredibly skilled individually. However with Happy's fantastic IGL skills and solid rifle play, he continued to drag his lower skilled team through many tournaments to top4s and a final or two (I think
tl;dr NA needs a good IGL to actually compete against good teams
A good IGL would definitely help.
Unfortunately, trying to fix NA problems is like peeling back layer after layer of an onion made out of shit. First of all, the fact that IGLs (and good support players) are very rare is itself symptomatic of the fact that NA has an obsession with raw skill and getting as many sick aimers on teams as possible, as well as constantly cutting anyone who isn't getting lots of frags. Those types of players get really de-emphasized.
Unfortunately, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Let's look at the best ibp lineup that actually got to go to EU.
You have:
Dazed- the only really good NA IGL arguably.
Skadoodle- ditto for awping
Steel and AZK- ditto for support players, or at least 2 of the very few.
Swag- one of the best individual NA players.
Even that team was only able to make 1 EU finals ever. Wanna know why? It wasn't lack of skill. It's the ridiculously dumb practice conditions in NA. And I don't mean some whiny excuse about how bad the other teams are. I'm talking about scrim culture. EVERY team in NA does not take scrims nearly seriously enough, and from my experience, the teams that don't get their shit perfectly down in scrims are the ones who majorly tilt the second something goes wrong in the real LAN game.
[quote=Red_]THe problem with NA as it seems is we really don't have anything other than riflers. We have yet to create a world class IGL. Skadoodle is fine as far as awping goes but he's only one dude and he's special on the world scene.
Teams can completely get dragged through games with a worse individual skill than the opponent. The NA scene has decent riflers I think (shroud, tarik, freaks is ok, nothings alright, swag, nitro etc) but there really isn't too much surrounding that. If NA were to produce a good IGL I think we really could go somewhere with skadoodle on a team with them.
For example Happy from the old LDLC squad with Apex, kqly, uzi, and maniac was not incredibly skilled individually. However with Happy's fantastic IGL skills and solid rifle play, he continued to drag his lower skilled team through many tournaments to top4s and a final or two (I think
tl;dr NA needs a good IGL to actually compete against good teams[/quote]
A good IGL would definitely help.
Unfortunately, trying to fix NA problems is like peeling back layer after layer of an onion made out of shit. First of all, the fact that IGLs (and good support players) are very rare is itself symptomatic of the fact that NA has an obsession with raw skill and getting as many sick aimers on teams as possible, as well as constantly cutting anyone who isn't getting lots of frags. Those types of players get really de-emphasized.
Unfortunately, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Let's look at the best ibp lineup that actually got to go to EU.
You have:
Dazed- the only really good NA IGL arguably.
Skadoodle- ditto for awping
Steel and AZK- ditto for support players, or at least 2 of the very few.
Swag- one of the best individual NA players.
Even that team was only able to make 1 EU finals ever. Wanna know why? It wasn't lack of skill. It's the ridiculously dumb practice conditions in NA. And I don't mean some whiny excuse about how bad the other teams are. I'm talking about scrim culture. EVERY team in NA does not take scrims nearly seriously enough, and from my experience, the teams that don't get their shit perfectly down in scrims are the ones who majorly tilt the second something goes wrong in the real LAN game.
Teams can completely get dragged through games with a worse individual skill than the opponent. The NA scene has decent riflers I think (shroud, tarik, freaks is ok, nothings alright, swag, nitro etc) but there really isn't too much surrounding that. If NA were to produce a good IGL I think we really could go somewhere with skadoodle on a team with them.
For example Happy from the old LDLC squad with Apex, kqly, uzi, and maniac was not incredibly skilled individually. However with Happy's fantastic IGL skills and solid rifle play, he continued to drag his lower skilled team through many tournaments to top4s and a final or two (I think
tl;dr NA needs a good IGL to actually compete against good teams[/quote]
A good IGL would definitely help.
Unfortunately, trying to fix NA problems is like peeling back layer after layer of an onion made out of shit. First of all, the fact that IGLs (and good support players) are very rare is itself symptomatic of the fact that NA has an obsession with raw skill and getting as many sick aimers on teams as possible, as well as constantly cutting anyone who isn't getting lots of frags. Those types of players get really de-emphasized.
Unfortunately, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Let's look at the best ibp lineup that actually got to go to EU.
You have:
Dazed- the only really good NA IGL arguably.
Skadoodle- ditto for awping
Steel and AZK- ditto for support players, or at least 2 of the very few.
Swag- one of the best individual NA players.
Even that team was only able to make 1 EU finals ever. Wanna know why? It wasn't lack of skill. It's the ridiculously dumb practice conditions in NA. And I don't mean some whiny excuse about how bad the other teams are. I'm talking about scrim culture. EVERY team in NA does not take scrims nearly seriously enough, and from my experience, the teams that don't get their shit perfectly down in scrims are the ones who majorly tilt the second something goes wrong in the real LAN game.
Red_For example Happy from the old LDLC squad with Apex, kqly, uzi, and maniac was not incredibly skilled individually. However with Happy's fantastic IGL skills and solid rifle play, he continued to drag his lower skilled team through many tournaments to top4s and a final or two
Happy isn't really much of an IGL. He's just an good rifler/lurker that makes beginning of round calls. Even while he was IGL on nV, shox was the one doing mid game calls. If you watched their games it honestly looked like Happy was just baiting his team and a lot of their executes are really basic ones that just involve having their fraggers go in and kill everything.
IMO nV is what a lot of NA teams are trying to be, a team with crazy individual talent and average executes but get by because they can just outaim the other team. It's really clear with their recent performance, they're losing because other teams know how they play and outstratting them.
[quote=Red_]
For example Happy from the old LDLC squad with Apex, kqly, uzi, and maniac was not incredibly skilled individually. However with Happy's fantastic IGL skills and solid rifle play, he continued to drag his lower skilled team through many tournaments to top4s and a final or two[/quote]
Happy isn't really much of an IGL. He's just an good rifler/lurker that makes beginning of round calls. Even while he was IGL on nV, shox was the one doing mid game calls. If you watched their games it honestly looked like Happy was just baiting his team and a lot of their executes are really basic ones that just involve having their fraggers go in and kill everything.
IMO nV is what a lot of NA teams are trying to be, a team with crazy individual talent and average executes but get by because they can just outaim the other team. It's really clear with their recent performance, they're losing because other teams know how they play and outstratting them.
For example Happy from the old LDLC squad with Apex, kqly, uzi, and maniac was not incredibly skilled individually. However with Happy's fantastic IGL skills and solid rifle play, he continued to drag his lower skilled team through many tournaments to top4s and a final or two[/quote]
Happy isn't really much of an IGL. He's just an good rifler/lurker that makes beginning of round calls. Even while he was IGL on nV, shox was the one doing mid game calls. If you watched their games it honestly looked like Happy was just baiting his team and a lot of their executes are really basic ones that just involve having their fraggers go in and kill everything.
IMO nV is what a lot of NA teams are trying to be, a team with crazy individual talent and average executes but get by because they can just outaim the other team. It's really clear with their recent performance, they're losing because other teams know how they play and outstratting them.
Happy isn't really much of an IGL. He's just an good rifler/lurker that makes beginning of round calls. Even while he was IGL, shox was the one doing mid game calls. If you watched their games it honestly looked like Happy was just baiting his team and a lot of their executes are really basic ones that just involve having their fraggers go in and kill everything.
IMO nV is what a lot of NA teams are trying to be, a team with crazy individual talent and average executes but get by because they can just outaim the other team. It's really clear with their recent performance, they're losing because other teams know how they play and outstratting them.
This is the old LDLC not the new envyus team. Happy was an IGL and a damn good one before on envy.
[quote]
Happy isn't really much of an IGL. He's just an good rifler/lurker that makes beginning of round calls. Even while he was IGL, shox was the one doing mid game calls. If you watched their games it honestly looked like Happy was just baiting his team and a lot of their executes are really basic ones that just involve having their fraggers go in and kill everything.
IMO nV is what a lot of NA teams are trying to be, a team with crazy individual talent and average executes but get by because they can just outaim the other team. It's really clear with their recent performance, they're losing because other teams know how they play and outstratting them.[/quote]
This is the old LDLC not the new envyus team. Happy was an IGL and a damn good one before on envy.
Happy isn't really much of an IGL. He's just an good rifler/lurker that makes beginning of round calls. Even while he was IGL, shox was the one doing mid game calls. If you watched their games it honestly looked like Happy was just baiting his team and a lot of their executes are really basic ones that just involve having their fraggers go in and kill everything.
IMO nV is what a lot of NA teams are trying to be, a team with crazy individual talent and average executes but get by because they can just outaim the other team. It's really clear with their recent performance, they're losing because other teams know how they play and outstratting them.[/quote]
This is the old LDLC not the new envyus team. Happy was an IGL and a damn good one before on envy.
i watched the entirety of aus vs na and it made me very sad LMAO
i don't watch csgo often enough to know if na was just having an off day or if that's how they play all the time, but either way the australians (especially jks) really showed some crazy plays
i watched the entirety of aus vs na and it made me very sad LMAO
i don't watch csgo often enough to know if na was just having an off day or if that's how they play all the time, but either way the australians (especially jks) really showed some crazy plays
i don't watch csgo often enough to know if na was just having an off day or if that's how they play all the time, but either way the australians (especially jks) really showed some crazy plays
Foxi watched the entirety of aus vs na and it made me very sad LMAO
i don't watch csgo often enough to know if na was just having an off day or if that's how they play all the time, but either way the australians (especially jks) really showed some crazy plays
liquid is not a top NA team, and c9 is breaking in two new players including one who hasnt really ever played at an international level
I don't want to make excuses for NA because they're still disappointing overall but to expect them to be even decent at this event was too optimistic.
jks is playing truly great cs here though.
[quote=Fox]i watched the entirety of aus vs na and it made me very sad LMAO
i don't watch csgo often enough to know if na was just having an off day or if that's how they play all the time, but either way the australians (especially jks) really showed some crazy plays[/quote]
liquid is not a top NA team, and c9 is breaking in two new players including one who hasnt really ever played at an international level
I don't want to make excuses for NA because they're still disappointing overall but to expect them to be even decent at this event was too optimistic.
jks is playing truly great cs here though.
i don't watch csgo often enough to know if na was just having an off day or if that's how they play all the time, but either way the australians (especially jks) really showed some crazy plays[/quote]
liquid is not a top NA team, and c9 is breaking in two new players including one who hasnt really ever played at an international level
I don't want to make excuses for NA because they're still disappointing overall but to expect them to be even decent at this event was too optimistic.
jks is playing truly great cs here though.
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