LFT Euro Medic :v

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I believe our great german overlord Sonny Black is involved in this now. Hopefully Permzilla doesn't get his hands on it as well otherwise it'll be a short-lived adventure indeed...

Actually looks like a cool thing for the scene though, we always lack cups!

LFT

Could be useful for communities in smaller regions that struggle to run their leagues and could instead host some of these tournaments.

It would be cool to play cups where entry fees would be items and then reward the winners with it, like on saloon.tf

KritzKast is actually sitting on that domain at the moment. We offered to Valve a while back but nothing came of it. Normally it points to one of the "everything you ever wanted to know about TF2" sites like http://community.tf or http://essentials.tf but the link got screwed up in our last server move.

I'm sure Razer-Right will get the message to the right people soon enough.

You can point it to comp.tf or playcomp.tf

Continuing to redirect it to the official website is probably for the best, though it would be interesting to see how many times people get redirected through there.

Hello all!

Dilusive here with Gaming Grids, we are the development team behind Razer Arena.

The intention is that we point to the official site. This was an oversight, sorry, it will be corrected to http://www.teamfortress.com/.

Is there something wrong with using the same rules for different regions? If you would like to see your region's rules done differently could you please detail how they should be different and perhaps how the changes will improve the flow of a match.

Would you prefer we omitted that game mode? It could be fun, no?

Would a good solution for KotH be to reduce our round count to Bo5 rather than Bo9 or would something different be more preferable?

At the end of the day we could copy the formats and rules word for word from the other leagues which have hosted TF2. The upside of course is that we give people what they are used to and perhaps expecting. How about, instead, we work with you all (the community) to get the settings right and make it a good experience for everyone. If in the end the desire is to simply mimic that which is already available, we will certainly oblige. Let's see if we can't get this right ourselves first?

I would love to see TF2 become prosperous on Arena, the comp scene has seemed to be waning in other leagues (at least in my eyes).

As Razer-Right mentioned in his previous post; we encourage your feedback and want very much to make the platform and comp experience to be the best it can be.

Thanks for reading my novel!

Capture the Flag hasn't been played in competitive for years, players found it just didn't work so well as a format for competitive

Thanks for posting here dilusive,

A lot of the rule set is spot on. The problem with KOTH being BO9 is that each KOTH round can take 6 or 7 minutes, meaning players could be playing for an hour with no break at all. Both BO5 or BO7 would be better alternatives.

Two big things your ruleset is missing right now are halftimes and map times. Control point maps usually have 2 halves, with the first one being played to three points OR 30 minutes, and the second half being played until one team reaches 5 points total or another 30 minute map time. KOTH usually will have no map time but will have a half time at 3 points.

If you plan on not using half times at all, I would keep KOTH to BO5 and add a 30 minute map time to Control Point.

I guess that's because one player has to switch to engy and that's quite boring... isn it?

Noted, thank you for the input. So in your eyes, no amount of tinkering with settings / player count / allowed roles will make CTF viable for comp?

Clearly you've never had to deal with Razer Synapse.

KOTH with 9 rounds actually sounds fine to me. It's not like it'd take longer than a 9 round game of 5CP (a good one, anyway). As long as we have a halftime it should be fine.

From what i've seen, the problem is that you are forced to both turtle in your own intel room, while also push into a turtling enemy. it's been tried in both 6v6 and 9v9, and while it was tweaked to be at least playable, its just not as fun or interesting as just adding another CP/KotH map.

Also thank you for being a top tier admin/dev only one day in :)

Yeah, CTF lends itself to engi/heavy turtling. Maybe if we banned those classes it'd work, but having a class banned in one gamemode and allowed in another isn't a good idea.

also without a turtle class the game turns into a roll very quickly once a team has mid control

What if we went the other way around and did 4v4 or 3v3 and eliminate engineer from the mix. This takes away some of the turtling qualities and may make it more interesting?

and likewise, a big thanks to everyone's replies so quickly.

Hi devs, I don't see Accuracy Spread turned off in these settings. It's a standard competitive feature to have it off in any competitive server. The command in console is: tf_use_fixed_weaponspreads - tf_use_fixed_weaponspreads 0 will turn it off and tf_use_fixed_weaponspreads 1 will turn it on. So make sure to put tf_use_fixed_weaponspreads 0 in your server's configs! Thanks!

This was one of the thoughts behind Bo9 KotH was to keep timing similar to Bo5 CP.

CS:GO is my main title of choice and with OT a match can span 2 hours maybe more, though the likelihood is minimal.

This was the other thought process behind 45 - 60 minute KotH. But maybe it shouldn't be considered in that context.

If we put half time in after round 4 and kept KotH Bo9 would this be agreeable or are we adamant that KotH should be reduced to Bo7 or Bo5?

@Dilusive Thanks for stopping by! Long shot question, but does Arena have any sort of API that can be accessed to get info about players/tournaments?

I am nowhere near educated enough in the realm of TF2 equips to provide an accurate ban list. I will do research on commonly banned items try to put something together.

If you would like to suggest items to be banned please feel free to do so, but please also give me information on why the item should be banned, how it affects game play etc.

People in the community who are old enough to remember ctf_mach4, ctf_chaos, and ctf_aerospace will distinctly remember the horrors of playing CTF even when Engineer didn't have a lot of the stupid toys he has today, same with Heavy and other utility classes. Despite loving the gamemode in almost every other FPS game I've played, there are a lot of small problems with TF2's CTF in a competitive environment that can't be resolved with player/class/weapon limits.

you can find updated whitelists for each league at http://whitelist.tf in the 'Presets' tab.

this website has whitelists used by the main leagues under presets
http://whitelist.tf/

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Oh yeah I meant what to redirect teamfortress2.com to :P

ETF2L rules are generally more international being used in all European, Asian, South American and Australian tournaments and in a lot of NA plus they're more suited for tournaments (as match only takes half an hour) which makes them both more popular and more people are familiar with them.

As someone mentioned it didn't really work out, but I don't think supporting any additional options is hurting in any way

Yeah I'd agree that BO5 is better as it has a chance of ending in the 30 minutes timelimit.

I just think the problem with BO9 is the same as with American ruleset for the tournament, it takes forever to play one match, but I already voiced my opinion above.
ESEA final with BO3 on American ruleset lasted 3 hours if I recall correctly.

That's very awesome that you're looking for feedback here. Wish you good luck! Also looking for an API so I may host bets for some of the tournaments with prizes in the future!
EDIT: May I add you on Steam or is there any other way of contact you prefer like an email?

We do have one available. Please contact me through Steam or PM to continue that conversation.

Heres a thread with some explanations on reasons for bans:
https://www.reddit.com/r/truetf2/comments/38xgls/where_to_find_the_official_motivation_behind/

If you go to the comp tf wiki, and click the individual class pages, you can see which weapons were banned for which league, and sometimes why. It can give maybe a bit better perspective on which weapons are unanimously considered broken and which weapons are just controversial.