jeez, forget about being out of the loop with respect to this community, i think you're out of the loop with respect to pretty much all of modern society if you think someone has to be "enlightened on social issues" or "read tumblr as a bible" to understand the fact that suicide isn't generally (read: ever) something to be taken so lightly that you should be able to casually tell someone you don't know anything about to end their own life.

i don't know why people act so indignant about this stuff. just don't be belligerently insensitive towards people you don't know and don't be surprised if someone calls you out if you misspeak. some gamers and their edgy "tough guy" culture eludes me. shit talk for the same of heating up competition or throwing off your opponents is one thing, but that's not the context here, so there's really no reason to defend what Timeless said, although the permaban was a little much imo.

anyway i'm gonna stop replying now, i think anyone who needs to be explicitly told that "kill yourself" or "fag" aren't things you should publicly and casually throw around like they're going out of style won't have their minds changed by one stranger calling them out so i see no point in responding.

But how is he permanently banned when there are no permanent bans Fairy?

Yo I've lost two of my best friends to suicide but I don't think anyone I know would be really offended by someone light-heartedly telling them they'd "rather kill themselves than write this essay" or someone should "go die" for doing something annoying.

This is a completely different discussion in its own right but I don't think there should be limits on comedy based on the seriousness of the topic. I'd agree that it's not alright to try to offend people by telling them to "go hang urself" or whatever but if you're obviously joking and it's not serious then I don't think there's any reason to avoid serious topics like suicide. Even if you ARE using it as an insult I absolutely do not think that a throwaway comment like that will be taken seriously and provoke any real negative reaction other than mildly offending. You have to use something as insults if you want to insult, practically anything you insult somebody with "shouldn't be said insultingly" but that's the whole point of an insult. I don't think that this one particularly carries more venom than others and shouldn't be interpreted as such. I'd be more offended by something personal.

I understand that isn't quite the context it was being used in here, but either way saying that suicide is something that should never be used lightheartedly is annoying to hear, since it's creating a taboo around joking, discussing and thinking about these serious things.

So it's no lie that Britain's rivers are full of prozac.
Anyways I agree with Sideshow, context matters though this Auschwitz thing that Fairy listed could warrant a ban, not sure if I'd go with permanent one though :/

I agree with the sentiment, Sideshow, but you can't really speak on behalf of every single person whose life has been negatively affected by suicide, nor people who themselves have/are currently considering suicide. That being said, I'm not at all trying to jump to the defense of every helpless, wounded soul and staunchly protect their feelings by banning the phrase "kill yourself" as a casual insult, I'm just pointing out that it's generally extremely tactless to do so. Also the examples you gave aren't used as insults so it's pretty different. Obviously someone just being like "Ugh this paper makes me want to die" is just them exaggerating how little they want to do the paper, but that's very different than actually telling somebody over the internet to commit suicide. Maybe they actually have suicidal thoughts and you push them over the edge. Is that very likely? No, not really. But why take the risk? You have no idea what's going on in that person's life and an offhanded remark like that, whether you mean it sincerely or not, isn't really ever called for. There's no real reason to opt to say something so extreme as opposed to a healthy and amiable "fuck off".

My condolences for your losses, and I respect your perspective. I just think we're coming at this from two different angles. I didn't say suicide should be taken so seriously that you literally cannot make an offhanded remark about it ever, I just said it should be taken seriously enough that using it as a casual throwaway insult equivalent to "fuck off" is a habit that people should try shaking off. I'm not saying that because I think every person who's lost a loved one to suicide needs to have their feelings shielded; many, like you, aren't bothered by remarks like that because you know they aren't serious. But again, you don't speak for everyone, and there are people who can be harmed emotionally from an off handed remark like "kill yourself". It may not carry weight for me, or for you, but it could very well carry weight with the complete stranger you're interacting with and that's not a risk worth taking under any circumstance in my opinion.

So yeah. Sorry if it seems like I'm soapboxing and trying to speak for everybody who's been negatively impacted by suicide, or seems like I think suicide should be taken very seriously at all times and should never even be joked about. That wasn't my intention at all, and I hope my point is a little clearer now. I do completely agree that creating a universal no-tolerance taboo is pretty much always a bad thing, as context is always key, but given the context of insulting a stranger over the internet, I consider suicide to be stuff that really shouldn't be tampered with. Same goes for "faggot" or "nigger". It's just really loaded stuff that could potentially carry a lot more weight than is called for when you're just upset at some nerd over a video game.

this is the internet

did you just go from some guy writing #killyourself in chat to the issue of suicide worldwide then from that same guy getting permabanned on tf2center to rehabilitation in society are you like the god of hyperboles?

You don't speak for everyone on the topic either obe

I never said I did?

Wrong Timeless :) I'm just a shitty sniper main.

http://i.imgur.com/UTSsXen.jpg

wasnt this the guy who made like 10 lobbies at a time with crazy requirements that never filled, which also ended up preventing others from using good maps when making lobbies? if i remember right, a TON more people than just the person mentioned in this thread told mikengo similar things and he ended up requesting to be permanantly 10 year banned from center

http://tf2center.com/rules

Pretty hard to miss, what did you really do?

This is why you need moderation guidelines to display publicly, so you have a clear process in which you can compare against the offence, I can see you selected a length at which appears to be set up at your whim, so there is always going to be abuse.

Perma bans are also incredibly harsh and a bad way to drive your playerbase away, I don't think anyone should be permabanned from any organisation unless it is something extreme, (away from childish trolling) or if they have a history of re-offending. If you want to ban this guy, I don't care but the fact people even make complaints like this is a sign you require moderation guidelines.

there was one of these that involved you blowing on your thumb or something and said it would send you to gensokyo or balamb garden and it would make you pass out for like 5 minutes

i haven't seen one of those in a while

also i'm not a fan of telling people to kill themselves but it's the internet, people are gonna say wild shit all the time

Well this is a mess

he got banned for telling someone to type kill in console.

Quality posts incoming

Thanks for the attention Fairy. I assume that I have in some way affected the decision for Jayserp to close the ban section of your forums. I hope that this is an effort to revitalize your rule system to be more just.

Hopefully tf2c will get some more help with the ban/admin team soon ;)

Hey fairy can I be unbanned I feel like getting 2 weeks for telling deceder to go fuck himself is pretty you guys are bad admins

I mean, I understand the importance of discussing and lightening up suicide for less stubborn conversation, but on the flipside maybe that's best left to threads that aren't basically just about someone wanting to dodge a ban (from a site I thought everyone wanted to stay far away from??? but hey, I don't know public opinion)

Do we know if it was "Kill yourself" in the game or if it was a genuine statement upon the person?
Are we just running off of hearsay and going on a mass witch hu-- nvm, forgot where i was reading.

Let's just always tell people the golden commands for pubbing and tf2center so they don't have to worry about the horrors of interpreting something somebody says.
hud_saytext_time 0
voice_enable 0

Another classic thread derail, brought to you by tftv

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I closed the ban sections. Since I have been handling most of them since spring and I'm on vacation now. :) see ya in august.

^now you're just closing your ears and screaming "LALALAAALLALALA"