not sure what to think of BvS, but Jared Leto is a crazy actor and I think his joker will end up bein fuckin sick.
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not sure what to think of BvS, but Jared Leto is a crazy actor and I think his joker will end up bein fuckin sick.
I'm not saying Batman v Superman can't be good, but the odds are stacked against it.
1. Darker and edgier Superman is always a risk. Man of Steel was already way too close to failure due to that and some minor issue that just add up. If you don't execute darker and edgier Superman really well it'll just blow up in your face.
2. Batman vs Superman will always get the fans riled up, unless executed perfectly. Somehow I don't think that's going to happen. In alternate continuities it's a lot easier to pull off, but in the main continuity we already know neither of them is going to die. I mean DC* tried both and couldn't keep them dead. Barely a year and suddenly "well he was never dead after all".
*I still think it's bad idea to use a name that's brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department, so I refuse to call them Detective Comics Comics.
3. Bad execution of grey and gray morality. If "destroy" means "kill" this could look really, really forced. We already know that they can't die so what's the point? Both in "The Dark Knight Returns" and "Red Son" Batman(koff) had the motive and more importantly the means to kill Superman (yes, he kicked his ass), but chose not to, because he's the fucking Batman. And the Batman does not kill. Changing that is worse than darker and edgier Superman, there isn't a possibility, there's a guarantee that it'll blow up in your face. Again, neither of them can die so making Batman try to kill Superman is pointless. Disable/contain/whatever is fine.
It'll also be interesting to see if they can resist having Lex Luthors loss of hair coincide with his reveal as the villain.
4. Dark and gritty overload within the movie. Batman is always dark and gritty, that's part of being the Batman, but combining that with dark and gritty "Man Of Steel" Superman might be too much.
5. Dark and gritty overload within the franchise. Suicide Squad isn't going to be unicorns and rainbows. And from what it looks like so far neither will be Wonder Woman, Aquaman and the possible Batman movie in 2018. That leaves Justice League and The Flash. Although that shouldn't affect Batman v Superman itself. Also it could still work even with that much dark and gritty.
Let's just hope they don't use one of the sure ways to fuck up a franchise beyond repair via bad publicity. We're talking about stuff that'll make the Joker's tattoos not even worth mentioning anymore. For example the New52's rapist backstory for the Amazons. Oh god, imagine the rage if they used that for the WW movie. There's definitely a big pool of stupid ideas that they have to avoid.
6. Civil War. It doesn't actually matter wether or not Civil War is good, it forced them to put BvS (almost) into the dump months. While this hasn't stopped some good movies from being successful, with BvS already being on the brink and a lot of people already expecting it not to be good, this might just be the final nail in the coffin.
There's also the difference between good and commercially successful movies. It doesn't have to be both or neither, but with the lack of hype and Civil War so close after I can't imagine it sucking and still being successful.
About Suicide Squad:
Why the Joker? There was no need to and I can already hear the inevitable "Heath Ledger was better".
I'm not saying Batman v Superman can't be good, but the odds are stacked against it.
1. Darker and edgier Superman is always a risk. Man of Steel was already way too close to failure due to that and some minor issue that just add up. If you don't execute darker and edgier Superman really well it'll just blow up in your face.
2. Batman vs Superman will always get the fans riled up, unless executed perfectly. Somehow I don't think that's going to happen. In alternate continuities it's a lot easier to pull off, but in the main continuity we already know neither of them is going to die. I mean DC* tried both and couldn't keep them dead. Barely a year and suddenly "well he was never dead after all".
*I still think it's bad idea to use a name that's brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department, so I refuse to call them Detective Comics Comics.
3. Bad execution of grey and gray morality. If "destroy" means "kill" this could look really, really forced. We already know that they can't die so what's the point? Both in "The Dark Knight Returns" and "Red Son" Batman(koff) had the motive and more importantly the means to kill Superman (yes, he kicked his ass), but [b]chose[/b] not to, because he's the fucking Batman. And the Batman does not kill. Changing that is worse than darker and edgier Superman, there isn't a possibility, there's a guarantee that it'll blow up in your face. Again, neither of them can die so making Batman try to kill Superman is pointless. Disable/contain/whatever is fine.
It'll also be interesting to see if they can resist having Lex Luthors loss of hair coincide with his reveal as the villain.
4. Dark and gritty overload within the movie. Batman is always dark and gritty, that's part of being the Batman, but combining that with dark and gritty "Man Of Steel" Superman might be too much.
5. Dark and gritty overload within the franchise. Suicide Squad isn't going to be unicorns and rainbows. And from what it looks like so far neither will be Wonder Woman, Aquaman and the possible Batman movie in 2018. That leaves Justice League and The Flash. Although that shouldn't affect Batman v Superman itself. Also it could still work even with that much dark and gritty.
Let's just hope they don't use one of the sure ways to fuck up a franchise beyond repair via bad publicity. We're talking about stuff that'll make the Joker's tattoos not even worth mentioning anymore. For example the New52's rapist backstory for the Amazons. Oh god, imagine the rage if they used that for the WW movie. There's definitely a big pool of stupid ideas that they have to avoid.
6. Civil War. It doesn't actually matter wether or not Civil War is good, it forced them to put BvS (almost) into the dump months. While this hasn't stopped some good movies from being successful, with BvS already being on the brink and a lot of people already expecting it not to be good, this might just be the final nail in the coffin.
There's also the difference between good and commercially successful movies. It doesn't have to be both or neither, but with the lack of hype and Civil War so close after I can't imagine it sucking and still being successful.
About Suicide Squad:
Why the Joker? There was no need to and I can already hear the inevitable "Heath Ledger was better".
1. Darker and edgier Superman is always a risk. Man of Steel was already way too close to failure due to that and some minor issue that just add up. If you don't execute darker and edgier Superman really well it'll just blow up in your face.
2. Batman vs Superman will always get the fans riled up, unless executed perfectly. Somehow I don't think that's going to happen. In alternate continuities it's a lot easier to pull off, but in the main continuity we already know neither of them is going to die. I mean DC* tried both and couldn't keep them dead. Barely a year and suddenly "well he was never dead after all".
*I still think it's bad idea to use a name that's brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department, so I refuse to call them Detective Comics Comics.
3. Bad execution of grey and gray morality. If "destroy" means "kill" this could look really, really forced. We already know that they can't die so what's the point? Both in "The Dark Knight Returns" and "Red Son" Batman(koff) had the motive and more importantly the means to kill Superman (yes, he kicked his ass), but [b]chose[/b] not to, because he's the fucking Batman. And the Batman does not kill. Changing that is worse than darker and edgier Superman, there isn't a possibility, there's a guarantee that it'll blow up in your face. Again, neither of them can die so making Batman try to kill Superman is pointless. Disable/contain/whatever is fine.
It'll also be interesting to see if they can resist having Lex Luthors loss of hair coincide with his reveal as the villain.
4. Dark and gritty overload within the movie. Batman is always dark and gritty, that's part of being the Batman, but combining that with dark and gritty "Man Of Steel" Superman might be too much.
5. Dark and gritty overload within the franchise. Suicide Squad isn't going to be unicorns and rainbows. And from what it looks like so far neither will be Wonder Woman, Aquaman and the possible Batman movie in 2018. That leaves Justice League and The Flash. Although that shouldn't affect Batman v Superman itself. Also it could still work even with that much dark and gritty.
Let's just hope they don't use one of the sure ways to fuck up a franchise beyond repair via bad publicity. We're talking about stuff that'll make the Joker's tattoos not even worth mentioning anymore. For example the New52's rapist backstory for the Amazons. Oh god, imagine the rage if they used that for the WW movie. There's definitely a big pool of stupid ideas that they have to avoid.
6. Civil War. It doesn't actually matter wether or not Civil War is good, it forced them to put BvS (almost) into the dump months. While this hasn't stopped some good movies from being successful, with BvS already being on the brink and a lot of people already expecting it not to be good, this might just be the final nail in the coffin.
There's also the difference between good and commercially successful movies. It doesn't have to be both or neither, but with the lack of hype and Civil War so close after I can't imagine it sucking and still being successful.
About Suicide Squad:
Why the Joker? There was no need to and I can already hear the inevitable "Heath Ledger was better".
The joker is like one of the fucking main villains in DC, that's why he's in SS.
I really liked MoS tbh, and I feel loads of people are missing the point behind it, it's a reboot of the series so they have to come up with an origin story that's interesting and will actually pay off at the end when the action comes along. Many people talk about the pointless destruction of Metropolis but who gives a shit? It's like Supermans first ever time fighting for Earth and truly using his powers, of course shit's going to get fucked up.
Even without BvS using the damage for the first film as a tie in I still feel like it would be fine even if they didn't, they already justified the amount of damage to me, he's fucking young and inexperienced.
BvS is going to be awesome, I really liked Cavill as superman, he pulls off an awkward Clark Kent which he pretty much was in quite a few of the comics, Affleck looks awesome as Batman tbh and I cannot wait, I really wasn't a fan of Bales Batman although he did a good Bruce Wayne.
Suicide Squad looks fucking cool but the only concern I have is Will Smith, whereas he's good and shit I don't want this to be a Deadshot leading everything, hopefully like others have been suggesting it will be more about Harley Quinn which I prefer a lot more.
I'm really hoping these films are successful, whereas I don't hate Marvel, after Age of Ultron I am really starting to get bored of their films, with all the faceless armies they are thrown against it gets really tedious and I feel they actually need to have a truly powerful Villain that doesn't hide behind minions to get stuff done.
The joker is like one of the fucking main villains in DC, that's why he's in SS.
I really liked MoS tbh, and I feel loads of people are missing the point behind it, it's a reboot of the series so they have to come up with an origin story that's interesting and will actually pay off at the end when the action comes along. Many people talk about the pointless destruction of Metropolis but who gives a shit? It's like Supermans first ever time fighting for Earth and truly using his powers, of course shit's going to get fucked up.
Even without BvS using the damage for the first film as a tie in I still feel like it would be fine even if they didn't, they already justified the amount of damage to me, he's fucking young and inexperienced.
BvS is going to be awesome, I really liked Cavill as superman, he pulls off an awkward Clark Kent which he pretty much was in quite a few of the comics, Affleck looks awesome as Batman tbh and I cannot wait, I really wasn't a fan of Bales Batman although he did a good Bruce Wayne.
Suicide Squad looks fucking cool but the only concern I have is Will Smith, whereas he's good and shit I don't want this to be a Deadshot leading everything, hopefully like others have been suggesting it will be more about Harley Quinn which I prefer a lot more.
I'm really hoping these films are successful, whereas I don't hate Marvel, after Age of Ultron I am really starting to get bored of their films, with all the faceless armies they are thrown against it gets really tedious and I feel they actually need to have a truly powerful Villain that doesn't hide behind minions to get stuff done.
I really liked MoS tbh, and I feel loads of people are missing the point behind it, it's a reboot of the series so they have to come up with an origin story that's interesting and will actually pay off at the end when the action comes along. Many people talk about the pointless destruction of Metropolis but who gives a shit? It's like Supermans first ever time fighting for Earth and truly using his powers, of course shit's going to get fucked up.
Even without BvS using the damage for the first film as a tie in I still feel like it would be fine even if they didn't, they already justified the amount of damage to me, he's fucking young and inexperienced.
BvS is going to be awesome, I really liked Cavill as superman, he pulls off an awkward Clark Kent which he pretty much was in quite a few of the comics, Affleck looks awesome as Batman tbh and I cannot wait, I really wasn't a fan of Bales Batman although he did a good Bruce Wayne.
Suicide Squad looks fucking cool but the only concern I have is Will Smith, whereas he's good and shit I don't want this to be a Deadshot leading everything, hopefully like others have been suggesting it will be more about Harley Quinn which I prefer a lot more.
I'm really hoping these films are successful, whereas I don't hate Marvel, after Age of Ultron I am really starting to get bored of their films, with all the faceless armies they are thrown against it gets really tedious and I feel they actually need to have a truly powerful Villain that doesn't hide behind minions to get stuff done.
If yall are wondering how the fight is going to go down you should watch the Dark Knight Returns flick, I imagine it won't be all that different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDIR_e3XRKM
If yall are wondering how the fight is going to go down you should watch the Dark Knight Returns flick, I imagine it won't be all that different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDIR_e3XRKM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDIR_e3XRKM
#33
It just feels like they're trying way too hard for brand recognition.
The DCU doesn't work like that, for the most part it's strictly separated. The Joker is first and foremost a Batman Villain. You don't put the Joker in a Superman movie and you don't put Brainiac in a Batman movie.
I'm not saying he's completely out of place, I mean he appeared in Suicide Squad once. But that essentially came down "The Joker and his Harley Quinns" (yes that's plural) and was really dark. I'm pretty sure they don't want to go there.
MoS isn't bad, I'm just saying the execution was suboptimal.
I don't know, it might work out, the demographic that just goes "Superman and Batman in one movie? It must be good." is probably the same one that needs a "familiar face" (=Joker) to get them to watch Suicide Squad. And that demographic is probably larger than the upset nerd crowd.
Also, are you hyped for 2018? After 7 years of buildup and faceless armies...
#34
I completely forgot to mention that, look at the armour in the trailer and compare them. There's definitely some inspiration from The Dark Knight Returns going on.
Forget everything I said in the previous post.
GET HYPE! #Iwanttobelieve
#33
It just feels like they're trying way too hard for brand recognition.
The DCU doesn't work like that, for the most part it's strictly separated. The Joker is first and foremost a Batman Villain. You don't put the Joker in a Superman movie and you don't put Brainiac in a Batman movie.
I'm not saying he's completely out of place, I mean he appeared in Suicide Squad once. But that essentially came down "The Joker and his Harley Quinns" (yes that's plural) and was really dark. I'm pretty sure they don't want to go there.
MoS isn't bad, I'm just saying the execution was suboptimal.
I don't know, it might work out, the demographic that just goes "Superman and Batman in one movie? It must be good." is probably the same one that needs a "familiar face" (=Joker) to get them to watch Suicide Squad. And that demographic is probably larger than the upset nerd crowd.
Also, are you hyped for 2018? After 7 years of buildup and faceless armies...
#34
I completely forgot to mention that, look at the armour in the trailer and compare them. There's definitely some inspiration from The Dark Knight Returns going on.
Forget everything I said in the previous post.
GET HYPE! [size=10]#Iwanttobelieve[/size]
It just feels like they're trying way too hard for brand recognition.
The DCU doesn't work like that, for the most part it's strictly separated. The Joker is first and foremost a Batman Villain. You don't put the Joker in a Superman movie and you don't put Brainiac in a Batman movie.
I'm not saying he's completely out of place, I mean he appeared in Suicide Squad once. But that essentially came down "The Joker and his Harley Quinns" (yes that's plural) and was really dark. I'm pretty sure they don't want to go there.
MoS isn't bad, I'm just saying the execution was suboptimal.
I don't know, it might work out, the demographic that just goes "Superman and Batman in one movie? It must be good." is probably the same one that needs a "familiar face" (=Joker) to get them to watch Suicide Squad. And that demographic is probably larger than the upset nerd crowd.
Also, are you hyped for 2018? After 7 years of buildup and faceless armies...
#34
I completely forgot to mention that, look at the armour in the trailer and compare them. There's definitely some inspiration from The Dark Knight Returns going on.
Forget everything I said in the previous post.
GET HYPE! [size=10]#Iwanttobelieve[/size]
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