#29
Name one difference between Z97 and H97 apart from overclocking support.
Then think about wether that'll make a difference or not.

does the h97 have more overclocking support?

no, the Z does

Now I'm trying to decide inbetween this GPU: http://www.amazon.com/MSI-GTX-970-4G-Graphics/dp/B00NN0GEXQ
and this one: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-4gb-gddr5-pci-express-3-0-graphics-card-silver-black/9855169.p?id=1219441201895&ref=199&loc=8BacdVP0GFs&acampID=1&siteID=8BacdVP0GFs-jp8zfQaq7ep.IvLjJpe36A

Here is my current build atm: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/decderify/saved/#view=Gc2G3C

Literally everyone advised to get a 390 instead of 970 :x Do you have a reason to stick with the 970 despite its worse performance at the same price?

Ah yes, the most difficult decision.
The reference GPU, stock cooler, not overclocked, 380$ or
a custom design with a better cooler and overclocked for 340$.
Surely the slower, hotter and more expensive GPU must be the right choice?

And that build, oh god.
The H110 is bad idea because it's noisy and more expensive than similar or better performing air coolers.
The H60 is a bad idea for the same reasons and it will crumble very fast once you up the voltage on a non-delidded 4790K.

What did I say about the mobo?

Ah yes, overpriced Corsair cases.

A 750W PSU for a 88W CPU and a 145W GPU?

Last but not least, the masterpiece.
Buying a 200mm fan and a case that doesn't support 200mm fans.

Even ignoring that the R9 390 is faster and slightly cheaper I can throw together a far better build.
200$ cheaper, not even counting the H60 and still SLI capable.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($323.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($72.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($41.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card ($333.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Enermax ECA3310A-B ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $976.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-07 19:30 EDT-0400

430w

prebuilt systems don't even cut that many corners

The fan was a mistake from a previous build that I just copied. That was just an error that got copied over. I can also get the CPU for 279.99, The only reason I used to the corsair case is because I liked the way it looked. I honestly have no brand loyalty whatsoever. I just like the MSI mobo and I would like a reasonably high performance air cpu cooler.

You wouldn't call the H60 an air cooler though.

I know, I'm gonna use this and upgrade the fans: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler

Before I tell you why that's a terrible idea, amuse me: Which fans?

some cougar's, not sure which ones

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/decderify/saved/#view=6LvQzy Also, I think that I might go with the 8Gb R9 390 even though it's AMD

Your first try was the H110 which isn't an air cooler.
Second was the H60 which is neither high performance nor an air cooler.
Third was the 212 Evo which isn't high performance.
And replacing the fan with a worse fan isn't going to help.

Since you have ignored every single piece of advice I've given you so far, I'm calling it quits.
You obviously don't want any help, you just want "OMG BEST BUILD EVA!!11!111!!"-type confirmation.
You won't get that here, especially not by posting mediocre builds.

EDIT:

First, I'm fully aware that the h60 and h110 are both liquid cooled. I don't want the "OMG BEST BUILD EVER". Although I do appreciate your advice, the derogatory attitude is unnecessary.

1st, not sure of it's driver issues being I have a monitor thast uses nvidia drivers. Also, I have never dealt with AMD before, so not sure if I want to go with it.

That's not how it works.

We had a nice chat via steam.
Let's see if any of this changes when he comes back in three weeks.

This is what we started with:
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/decderify/saved/6LvQzy

This is the result:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($323.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE_RD 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A (NFC Express Edition) ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($59.00 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($41.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($97.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card ($324.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($91.75 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1183.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-09 13:55 EDT-0400

CPU unchanged.
Cooler: Here's my rant about all in one liquid coolers. The Phanteks PH-TC14PE is very good and fairly cheap for a high end air cooler. A bit to back it up:

http://www.hitechlegion.com/images/cooling/corh100i/b2.jpg

Only on "performance" setting does the H100i even beat it. And guess how? The standard MO of all aios: jet engine mode.

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cooling/liquid/33165-corsair-h100i?showall=&start=3
So with the exception of the H100i in jet engine mode the Phantek is both cooler and quieter.
Also: Pretty colours.

Mobo: The Z87-A isn't even half the price of the Z97-Gaming 5 and still has SLI support, it's hard to beat that. Praise the Z87 markdowns.
RAM: 8GB should be fine, you can upgrade later if you should actually need it. There's nothing inherently wrong with Corsair RAM (at least I hope not, the Vengeance series used to have to highest RMA rates across all brands) but it tends to be overpriced. Replaced with faster and cheaper RAM.
SSD: The 850 Evo 250GB is cheaper than the 840 Evo 120GB. Faster and more than twice the capacity, a no brainer.
GPU: He told me he had actually decided on the 390 already but forgot to save it.
Case: The Define R5 is simply an awesome case.
PSU: Apparently reddit talked him into the G2 750W. For a 460W build. Yeah I don't think so, those 37$ would be wasted.

I wouldn't use windows 10 for now, but until he gets back this might've changed.

#10
To make sure everyone believes the Corsair RM series is as bad as I said and because I hate it with a passion and because it's an easy target (like taking candy from a baby):
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/3gaz7m/died_before_it_had_its_chance_psu_had_a_short_and/
Corsair RM750 shorted out on the first attempted boot and fried all components.
300$+ for a EVGA 970? Literally gone up in smoke.
You payed 120$ for the privilege of frying your brand new build. #JustCorsairThings

I'm deeply saddened to see what Corsair has become. They used to sell well-performing Seasonic units at decent prices but now... and it's not just PSUs.
Somewhere along the way they decided to sell lower quality at higher prices. "Gaming" branding does not justify a 100% markup and definitely doesn't excuse skimping on quality control and I will keep calling them out on that.
I choose to believe that there isn't any QC on the RM series, because if a PSU that kills your components passed I really don't want to see what happens when a unit fails the test.

Thanks, I appreciate all the help that you've given me. The R9 390 (not sure if I'm going to buy the 390x or eventually buy another 390 for crossfire) uses a bit more power than the 970, but I do agree with you about corsair's terrible qms and ridiculous prices, and I will most likely buy a 600w or 550 w psu.

Changed my build a bit, a lot more powerful now.

They do still sell Seasonic rebrands, though, Setsul...
Who's Who in Power Supplies 2014

#49
Show me.

#50
The AX Platinum (AX760 and AX860) aren't even in that list and they're 3 years old.
Rest of the AX series: 5 years old.
TXv2 series: 5 years old.
VX series: 80 Plus NOTHING, 8 years old.
CMPSU-400CX: 80 Plus NOTHING, 7 years old, 3 successors so far.
Oldest HX series: 80 Plus NOTHING, 9 years old.
Next HX series: 80 Plus Bronze, 6 years old.
New HX series: only 1 PSU by Seasonic, 2 years old.

So if we're ignoring all PSU that have been directly succeeded it boils down to 3 PSUs:
AX760 and AX860, 3 years old, sort of succeeded by AX760i and AX860i. Also available directly from Seasonic.
HX650, 2 years old, 135$, based on the G-650 which can be had for 85$.

So technically they still sell Seasonic rebrands, but I wouldn't buy any of them.
Technically the i7-990X is still being sold but I will slap anyone who buys one.

Here is the updated build, I think I accidentally added 16 gs of ram but whatever.
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/decderify/saved/#view=6LvQzy

"accidentally"
RAM: Kits are cheaper if you still want to go with 16GB, otherwise get an 8GB kit.
Mobo: We've been over this. Z87-A. Look at that price. Look at it. Now tell me why you don't want to save money.
SSD: The 8[b]5[/b]0 Evo [b]250[/b]GB is cheaper and faster than the 840 Evo 120GB. Is that such a hard concept to grasp? There's also a combo deal with the Z87-A, you could get the 850 Evo 500GB for 45$ more than the 250GB version.

8GB RAM, 250GB SSD:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($327.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A (NFC Express Edition) ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($59.00 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.49 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($674.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($115.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM (64-bit) ($86.75 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1490.18
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-25 05:06 EDT-0400

16GB RAM, 500GB SSD:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($327.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A (NFC Express Edition) ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($59.00 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($77.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($674.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($115.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM (64-bit) ($86.75 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1573.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-25 05:07 EDT-0400

About the GPU: The Gigabyte G1 Gaming or Asus Strix are better, EVGAs support is probably the best though.

What exactly is better about them? The cooling? Between the two I'd go for the gigabyte one, since Asus support is horrific.

Performance & Cooling.

Alright, sweet. Thanks again!