just a lil fyi, we do have an eXclusivity agreement with the players from the eXtv sponsored teams regarding their pov demos. Considering we want to make a documentary and have a sick hype frag video to wrap up our efforts, it's rather sensible.
That said Decap and I had a brief chat before, but nothing was discussed in depth. Perhaps we will reach an agreement and he'll make the i46 frag vid for eXtv using those pov demos. We'll see.
Now for a question:
Decap, do you think that the new steam community features will significantly raise the visibility of frag videos, or will that just be overrun by replays and for laughs SFM content?
just a lil fyi, we do have an eXclusivity agreement with the players from the eXtv sponsored teams regarding their pov demos. Considering we want to make a documentary and have a sick hype frag video to wrap up our efforts, it's rather sensible.
That said Decap and I had a brief chat before, but nothing was discussed in depth. Perhaps we will reach an agreement and he'll make the i46 frag vid for eXtv using those pov demos. We'll see.
Now for a question:
Decap, do you think that the new steam community features will significantly raise the visibility of frag videos, or will that just be overrun by replays and for laughs SFM content?
#32 that sort of sucks to hear you talk about demo exclusivity...
We (VanillaTV) were hoping to gather all the STV and POV demos and make them publicly available.
Are we not all the same team here eXtine?
#32 that sort of sucks to hear you talk about demo exclusivity...
We (VanillaTV) were hoping to gather all the STV and POV demos and make them publicly available.
Are we not all the same team here eXtine?
Rate my EG frag video 1-10.
Rate my EG frag video 1-10.
Torn Productions Frag Vid > eXtv Frag Vid
Torn Productions Frag Vid > eXtv Frag Vid
CruzDo you personally prefer a minimalistic approach to editting/effects, or are you ok with vids overdoing it as long as they're done well? (ESEA S10 highlights vs any of eps' vids for example)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GYVj9D-rVk
To me they're both entertaining if they're well done. But you can have shitty minimalist videos and great videos with lots of effects. Amazing effects can be entertaining but have the potential of getting in the way of actual content.
A LOT of work has to be done to make more complex effects not look half-assed, and to do that usually requires a lot more experience and resources you usually find from people on youtube (although SFM is already starting to improve things in this regard).
On the other side minimalist videos can be fucking boring without good content. Minimalist videos only work when there is great content that is worth watching.
For frag vids I like a balance of some creativity with music, editing, effects, etc., but anything over the top gets annoying quickly.
ukmdecapNot by definition. But neither are feature films
Haha what? Whose zany definition of art are you working from here?
Film has always been commercial and it's only in the last few decades that it's become an 'art form'. My point was that a frag video is just a video of frags. But it CAN be art. But just by being a frag video does not make it art.
MTWENTYFOURfavourite TF2 movie thats not a torn production
fav subtitled movie? (any game)
favourite song used in a tf2 frag vid
is electronic music the best kind of music for tf2 movies (and any specific genres)?
what player would you most like to make a movie for in the TF2 community, including any that no longer play.
- Probably broder
- Cooller 2010/2011
- Can't think of anything in particular off the top of my head sorry
- 'Electronic music' is a very broad term.. it basically just means 'music from the last 20 years.' Music that's reasonably fast paced that's reasonably dynamic tends to be the most interesting.
- b4nny
eXtineDecap, do you think that the new steam community features will significantly raise the visibility of frag videos, or will that just be overrun by replays and for laughs SFM content?
Not in it's current form but there's definately the potential there and it's something I discussed with Robin a long time ago. If they do pick up in popularity and start being seen as the key place to find content for TF2 then sure, it could help frag vids be more visible, but due to the public nature of TF2, SFM/funny content will always be more popular. Just look at /r/tf2 to see what I mean, then realise the vast majority are dumber than that (e.g. steam forums).
ehFkRate my EG frag video 1-10.
9/11
[quote=Cruz]Do you personally prefer a minimalistic approach to editting/effects, or are you ok with vids overdoing it as long as they're done well? (ESEA S10 highlights vs any of eps' vids for example)[/quote]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GYVj9D-rVk
To me they're both entertaining if they're well done. But you can have shitty minimalist videos and great videos with lots of effects. Amazing effects can be entertaining but have the potential of getting in the way of actual content.
A LOT of work has to be done to make more complex effects not look half-assed, and to do that usually requires a lot more experience and resources you usually find from people on youtube (although SFM is already starting to improve things in this regard).
On the other side minimalist videos can be fucking boring without good content. Minimalist videos only work when there is great content that is worth watching.
For frag vids I like a balance of some creativity with music, editing, effects, etc., but anything over the top gets annoying quickly.
[quote=ukm][quote=decap]Not by definition. But neither are feature films [/quote]
Haha what? Whose zany definition of art are you working from here?[/quote]
Film has always been commercial and it's only in the last few decades that it's become an 'art form'. My point was that a frag video is just a video of frags. But it CAN be art. But just by being a frag video does not make it art.
[quote=MTWENTYFOUR]favourite TF2 movie thats not a torn production
fav subtitled movie? (any game)
favourite song used in a tf2 frag vid
is electronic music the best kind of music for tf2 movies (and any specific genres)?
what player would you most like to make a movie for in the TF2 community, including any that no longer play.[/quote]
- Probably broder
- Cooller 2010/2011
- Can't think of anything in particular off the top of my head sorry
- 'Electronic music' is a very broad term.. it basically just means 'music from the last 20 years.' Music that's reasonably fast paced that's reasonably dynamic tends to be the most interesting.
- b4nny
[quote=eXtine]Decap, do you think that the new steam community features will significantly raise the visibility of frag videos, or will that just be overrun by replays and for laughs SFM content?[/quote]
Not in it's current form but there's definately the potential there and it's something I discussed with Robin a long time ago. If they do pick up in popularity and start being seen as the key place to find content for TF2 then sure, it could help frag vids be more visible, but due to the public nature of TF2, SFM/funny content will always be more popular. Just look at /r/tf2 to see what I mean, then realise the vast majority are dumber than that (e.g. steam forums).
[quote=ehFk]Rate my EG frag video 1-10.[/quote]
9/11
[quote=decap]
Film has always been commercial and it's only in the last few decades that it's become an 'art form'.
[/quote]
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0017136/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050083/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033467/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050083/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047478/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0013442/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020629/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047296/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056801/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0028950/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032553/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0021749/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047396/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050976/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060196/
yeah, no art back then
I dont understand the definition of art which excludes most films ever. If its a man made form of expression, you can generally say its a piece of art.
I guess the term is very nebulous. We still use the word as a way to describe all visual media, even though one would also call writing and music art as well.
"Art form" is even more vague. Making good food is an "art form" even though a chef is more of an "artisan" than an "artist".
Semantics.
I dont understand the definition of art which excludes most films ever. If its a man made form of expression, you can generally say its a piece of art.
I guess the term is very nebulous. We still use the word as a way to describe all visual media, even though one would also call writing and music art as well.
"Art form" is even more vague. Making good food is an "art form" even though a chef is more of an "artisan" than an "artist".
Semantics.
will you ever do something like tron fortress again?
will you ever do something like tron fortress again?
what is your process for reaching the highest possible quality that you can for your videos? (render settings and whatnot)
what is your process for reaching the highest possible quality that you can for your videos? (render settings and whatnot)
also 12 angry men is an amazing movie
also 12 angry men is an amazing movie
Cradlewill you ever do something like tron fortress again?
If you mean mod a game to fit a theme for a frag video probably not, at least not to the extent of Tron Fortress, but if you mean for stuff like SFM then that's definately a possibility. Those kinds of projects take a lot of work though so I won't do anything like that again in the near future. And I wasn't very pleased with Tron Fortress - it was pretty rushed and I would prefer to build my own assets for something like that.
swedeswhat is your process for reaching the highest possible quality that you can for your videos? (render settings and whatnot)
Basically just keep everything in uncompressed/lossless formats for as long as possible, make sure you record footage at a high framerate and resolution, encoding with a high bitrate, etc. Then of course there's things like using a 32-bit workflow, etc. For rendering/encoding, I use Adobe Media Encoder, it's pretty simple to use and has great performance, and I just stick with pretty much the default 1080p H264 template, but playing with the bitrate, framerate, frame blending, etc.
RoboticI dont understand the definition of art which excludes most films ever. If its a man made form of expression, you can generally say its a piece of art.
I guess the term is very nebulous. We still use the word as a way to describe all visual media, even though one would also call writing and music art as well.
"Art form" is even more vague. Making good food is an "art form" even though a chef is more of an "artisan" than an "artist".
Semantics.
Yeah, my intention wasn't to say old films aren't art, I was just using it as an example to say that frag videos CAN be art, but that simply being a frag video doesn't make it art. Of course there are always countless definitions of what art is, and a lot of it is highly subjective. I probably shouldn't have used film as an example since I didn't mean to suggest there is no creativity in film, merely that the primary, mainstream role of film is as a product rather than a work of art, which is secondary to selling tickets.
I was just trying to say that if something is intended as artistic by its creator, or if a work has some sort of meaning for a viewer, it can be art. But in my view just frags of a game in a video isn't artistic in itself. Just like I wouldn't call highlights from a football game art. Look up documentary mode, I think a lot of that applies here.
I wouldn't call a Michael Bay movie art, it's a creative product, but that comes down to whoever is watching it.
[quote=Cradle]will you ever do something like tron fortress again?[/quote]
If you mean mod a game to fit a theme for a frag video probably not, at least not to the extent of Tron Fortress, but if you mean for stuff like SFM then that's definately a possibility. Those kinds of projects take a lot of work though so I won't do anything like that again in the near future. And I wasn't very pleased with Tron Fortress - it was pretty rushed and I would prefer to build my own assets for something like that.
[quote=swedes]what is your process for reaching the highest possible quality that you can for your videos? (render settings and whatnot)[/quote]
Basically just keep everything in uncompressed/lossless formats for as long as possible, make sure you record footage at a high framerate and resolution, encoding with a high bitrate, etc. Then of course there's things like using a 32-bit workflow, etc. For rendering/encoding, I use Adobe Media Encoder, it's pretty simple to use and has great performance, and I just stick with pretty much the default 1080p H264 template, but playing with the bitrate, framerate, frame blending, etc.
[quote=Robotic]I dont understand the definition of art which excludes most films ever. If its a man made form of expression, you can generally say its a piece of art.
I guess the term is very nebulous. We still use the word as a way to describe all visual media, even though one would also call writing and music art as well.
"Art form" is even more vague. Making good food is an "art form" even though a chef is more of an "artisan" than an "artist".
Semantics.[/quote]
Yeah, my intention wasn't to say old films aren't art, I was just using it as an example to say that frag videos CAN be art, but that simply being a frag video doesn't make it art. Of course there are always countless definitions of what art is, and a lot of it is highly subjective. I probably shouldn't have used film as an example since I didn't mean to suggest there is no creativity in film, merely that the primary, mainstream role of film is as a product rather than a work of art, which is secondary to selling tickets.
I was just trying to say that if something is intended as artistic by its creator, or if a work has some sort of meaning for a viewer, it can be art. But in my view just frags of a game in a video isn't artistic in itself. Just like I wouldn't call highlights from a football game art. Look up documentary mode, I think a lot of that applies here.
I wouldn't call a Michael Bay movie art, it's a creative product, but that comes down to whoever is watching it.
off topic, but whats the difference between quake and warsow? im watching the trailer, and it seems pretty similar.
off topic, but whats the difference between quake and warsow? im watching the trailer, and it seems pretty similar.
Have you ever considered making a porno?
Have you ever considered making a porno?
Rekusooff topic, but whats the difference between quake and warsow? im watching the trailer, and it seems pretty similar.
Much faster, weaker weapons, more movement options (walljump, dash, dodge etc), and there's other game modes like bomb (similar to cs). because of the extra movement options its easier to maintain momentum so you can get ridiculous speeds. I still prefer Quake but its a really fun game. And I love the art style.
[quote=Rekuso]off topic, but whats the difference between quake and warsow? im watching the trailer, and it seems pretty similar.[/quote]
Much faster, weaker weapons, more movement options (walljump, dash, dodge etc), and there's other game modes like bomb (similar to cs). because of the extra movement options its easier to maintain momentum so you can get ridiculous speeds. I still prefer Quake but its a really fun game. And I love the art style.
How do you get your videos to not come out choppy? I noticed that whenever I play my demos back and/or record them, they always have some sort of jitter to them. I record at 120fps in lawena if that's relevant.
How do you get your videos to not come out choppy? I noticed that whenever I play my demos back and/or record them, they always have some sort of jitter to them. I record at 120fps in lawena if that's relevant.
now that you voted in the byp comp: what did you submit as your top 10?
now that you voted in the byp comp: what did you submit as your top 10?
what programs do you use for rendering clips after editing them in vegas?
what programs do you use for rendering clips after editing them in vegas?
Dave_How do you get your videos to not come out choppy? I noticed that whenever I play my demos back and/or record them, they always have some sort of jitter to them. I record at 120fps in lawena if that's relevant.
Hrm they should be fine, do you get it with all demos? Sometimes the players config can result in laggy demos (you can see this in a couple of bonez' videos). But I suggest recording at at least 240fps anyway.
djcnow that you voted in the byp comp: what did you submit as your top 10?
I wasn't a judge on the boneyard comp.
alfawhat programs do you use for rendering clips after editing them in vegas?
I used to use MeGUI but use Adobe Media Encoder now. And I use premiere CS6 as opposed to vegas.
[quote=Dave_]How do you get your videos to not come out choppy? I noticed that whenever I play my demos back and/or record them, they always have some sort of jitter to them. I record at 120fps in lawena if that's relevant.[/quote]
Hrm they should be fine, do you get it with all demos? Sometimes the players config can result in laggy demos (you can see this in a couple of bonez' videos). But I suggest recording at at least 240fps anyway.
[quote=djc]now that you voted in the byp comp: what did you submit as your top 10?[/quote]
I wasn't a judge on the boneyard comp.
[quote=alfa]what programs do you use for rendering clips after editing them in vegas?[/quote]
I used to use MeGUI but use Adobe Media Encoder now. And I use premiere CS6 as opposed to vegas.
really? someone told me you were :[ oh welllllllllllllllll
really? someone told me you were :[ oh welllllllllllllllll
It's worth noting that art doesn't have to be "good" to be art. I'm having a hard time imagining any reasonable definition of art that would exclude what Michael Bay does.
It's worth noting that art doesn't have to be "good" to be art. I'm having a hard time imagining any reasonable definition of art that would exclude what Michael Bay does.
Which tf2 moviemakers are in your opinion overrated and which are underrated?
Since the question is quite provocative I'll understand if you won't answer it.
Which tf2 moviemakers are in your opinion overrated and which are underrated?
Since the question is quite provocative I'll understand if you won't answer it.
LesheyWhich tf2 moviemakers are in your opinion overrated and which are underrated?
Since the question is quite provocative I'll understand if you won't answer it.
You're pretty underrated :-)
There was a movie from a guy called Otis in the boneyard comp that I quite liked. Hadn't heard of him before.
Not going to list overrated people :D
[quote=Leshey]Which tf2 moviemakers are in your opinion overrated and which are underrated?
Since the question is quite provocative I'll understand if you won't answer it.[/quote]
You're pretty underrated :-)
There was a movie from a guy called Otis in the boneyard comp that I quite liked. Hadn't heard of him before.
Not going to list overrated people :D
What got you interested in video editing? What was the first video you ever edited, and how did that lead to you making fragvideos?
What got you interested in video editing? What was the first video you ever edited, and how did that lead to you making fragvideos?