If morality is objective then why are bad people able to justify their ability to do bad things?

The very fact that people disagree on moral issues means that clearly it isn't objective in the slightest.

Religion is toxic to the mind.

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People you obviously know nothing about the crusades so don't compare them, it isn't even close to being the same thing. However I also believe religion has no place in this world.

Imagine the worst possible immoral act that you can. If morality is subjective and fluid and changes with times. If morality is decided by society which you also changes. Then it is possible that society could say that that worst possible immoral act that you thought of could be morally acceptable at some point in time.

Yup! Correct.

You're still wrong.

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Just because morality is objective does not mean that people can only commit objectively moral acts. Everyone has free will to go against what is moral.

Actually, not really. Nobody thinks they're bad. Everyone justifies themselves -- EVERYONE. When you lash out in anger and insult someone, you're justifying it to yourself. Everyone may see you as an asshole but to you, you're in the right. Even if you apologize later, you were still acting in that moment in what you viewed as a moral way.

Hitler thought he was ridding the world of a fucking plague. EVERYONE thinks they're a goddamn saint.

In a previous post I stated that the enslavement of other races was seen as normal in the past, because society said that it was acceptable.

Exactly! That CLEARLY shows that society's views absolutely dictate said society's morals. Holy shit what don't you get about this?

Um yes? That is the point???

We look back today at that barbarism of the past and realize how shitty it was, it was pretty damn normal for them.

That is the whole point. Morals and what is deemed acceptable is entirely dependent on the society and time period.

Godwin's Law :D
And no I often immediately think about how what I did was bad, but I guess different people think differently.

You are telling me that in the future, if society says that is is completely moral for people to rape and murder innocent people, that you would be fine with it? That you don't have some inner voice telling you that that's immoral?

Argument from fallacy xD

Yeah, you think about what you DID was bad, not about how what you're DOING is bad. Read my posts please.

I wouldn't be fine with it because my morals are based off the society that I grew up in, not the one that exists in the future.

Gregory of Nyssa. Everyone has different morality.

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What I mean is at no point did I think what I was doing was right. I don't think I was thinking about morality at any point while flushing boiling water at someone. Maybe about if it's justifiable.

I don't think its right to not give any blame religion for all this. Obviously Islam isn't what made people do these things and the only reason people kill like this is because of human nature. However in my eyes Islam is not a religion of peace and the quran has many passages that can be interpreted to cause violence, rape ect. People are using the quran and Islam as a religion as an excuse to do these terrible things, this is why ISIS are getting all these followers, people want to do these things and ISIS are using the quran and islam as a way to get people to join and they are almost exploiting it so they can do these horrible things. Islam is not a peaceful religion and people like to get mad whenever somebody says this. All you have to do is google and you will find so many violent, misogynistic passages that ISIS are using to justify and excuse their actions. Its true that the vast majority of muslims have nothing to do with these people but i'm afraid the quran does have some part to blame for all this. If Islam wasn't a violent religion then these people would not be doing this "in the name of Allah"

My point is that people are to blame for this and even if there was no religion, people would still be killing because thats how the world is. However because of Islam these terrorists can use it as a way to brainwash people into joining them thus making them stronger and able to inflict more damage.

I was born in 20th century in Poland (also in the most conservative city here) and I don't believe that homosexuality is a sin :P
I'd say supporting equality in Poland is the same as not supporting slavery back then:P

Anecdotal evidence does not disprove history or universal behavioral development models considering three's just as many of your fellow countrymen that do think it is a sin if not more so from your generation.

Yeah but everyone else around you did. Obviously not everyone agrees on morality but that in and of itself still gives MORE credence to the fact that it's all relative.

So if today's society decides it is completely moral to have the police come to your house and confiscate all of your possessions and throw you out on the street to be homeless, you are completely fine with that because that is what society has determined to be morally acceptable.

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can we get back to feeling for those affected by the attack please

No that's not what thread derailers like to do

The thread got derailed a bit but I think it's still a really interesting discussion with a lot of different points being made, discussing the cause of the problem is one of the best ways to understand it.

I second this.

FYI I'm English

There were few conflicts then :D (dw I'm just nitpicking)

can you fedoras take your philosophy argument to another thread no one here gives a shit