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Global Whitelist Meeting #2
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#1
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Hey guys,

Last time we did a global whitelist meeting we did it in secret and some people weren't happy about it. So we're probably going to do another meeting now that the seasons for ETF2L/ESEA/OzF/UGC are ending just to make sure that all of the leagues stay in sync. If we go through specific weapon bans, this thread will turn into a shitshow, so let's instead center the discussion around who can attend and who is allowed to listen.

My gut feeling is, let's hold the meeting in a public mumble server and set it up so that one private channel is allowed to talk and the other public channel is muted but allowed to listen. The channel that is allowed to talk has league admins and top players. We'll then record the discussion for anyone who wasn't able to attend, and then post a public draft of the new whitelist the next day. After some discussion with the community, we'll revise the draft and send out a final draft a few days later. Sound good?

Hey guys,

Last time we did a global whitelist meeting we did it in secret and some people weren't happy about it. So we're probably going to do another meeting now that the seasons for ETF2L/ESEA/OzF/UGC are ending just to make sure that all of the leagues stay in sync. If we go through specific weapon bans, this thread will turn into a shitshow, so let's instead center the discussion around who can attend and who is allowed to listen.

My gut feeling is, let's hold the meeting in a public mumble server and set it up so that one private channel is allowed to talk and the other public channel is muted but allowed to listen. The channel that is allowed to talk has league admins and top players. We'll then record the discussion for anyone who wasn't able to attend, and then post a public draft of the new whitelist the next day. After some discussion with the community, we'll revise the draft and send out a final draft a few days later. Sound good?
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#2
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Would probably be worthwhile gathering some info on what people deem to be "problem" weapons before the meeting so you can get down to business right away. Dunno where you'd do that because as you say this thread would turn to shit if we did it here.

Public meeting sounds good though.

Would probably be worthwhile gathering some info on what people deem to be "problem" weapons before the meeting so you can get down to business right away. Dunno where you'd do that because as you say this thread would turn to shit if we did it here.

Public meeting sounds good though.
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#3
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Why not stream it on twitch ???

Why not stream it on twitch ???
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Re4lityWhy not stream it on twitch ???

Live feedback won't do too much, especially in this community.

The best they'd be able to do is throw out a couple strawpolls.

[quote=Re4lity]Why not stream it on twitch ???[/quote]
Live feedback won't do too much, especially in this community.

The best they'd be able to do is throw out a couple strawpolls.
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#5
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Frost_BiteRe4lityWhy not stream it on twitch ???Live feedback won't do too much, especially in this community.

I dont think their looking for live feedback if the public people are going to be "muted but allowed to listen".

From what I understand from this is that they are giving has a understanding on why they ban / unban specific weapons. Which would create less confusion in the community. I think .

And wouldn't streaming it be a lot easier and more popular ?

[quote=Frost_Bite][quote=Re4lity]Why not stream it on twitch ???[/quote]
Live feedback won't do too much, especially in this community.[/quote]

I dont think their looking for live feedback if the public people are going to be "muted but allowed to listen".

From what I understand from this is that they are giving has a understanding on why they ban / unban specific weapons. Which would create less confusion in the community. I think .

And wouldn't streaming it be a lot easier and more popular ?
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#6
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Anything that adds transparency and democratic consensus is a step in the right direction. The further we distance ourselves from popular sovereignty, the more serious the community will be able to take itself; thus outsiders may begin to take us more seriously as well.

Anything that adds transparency and democratic consensus is a step in the right direction. The further we distance ourselves from popular sovereignty, the more serious the community will be able to take itself; thus outsiders may begin to take us more seriously as well.
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#7
33 Frags +

Streaming the discussion seems fine. I want people to be able to understand the justifications for the decisions made. When the first draft of the whitelist is posted the community can pick it apart at that time.

Streaming the discussion seems fine. I want people to be able to understand the justifications for the decisions made. When the first draft of the whitelist is posted the community can pick it apart at that time.
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#8
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I think streaming would be fantastic. The "public" won't interfere with the actual discussion, and they will still be able to talk about it amongst themselves- and more of the "public" will tune in. It would also be very visible to valve (onus on those with connections to make sure they know when to tune in!!) so they'd get a lot of amazing feedback about their weapons without having to talk to us directly. Another benefit is that anybody can view the vod later.

Chat would also be lit

I think streaming would be fantastic. The "public" won't interfere with the actual discussion, and they will still be able to talk about it amongst themselves- and more of the "public" will tune in. It would also be very visible to valve (onus on those with connections to make sure they know when to tune in!!) so they'd get a lot of amazing feedback about their weapons without having to talk to us directly. Another benefit is that anybody can view the vod later.

Chat would also be lit
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#9
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would it be possible for the streaming to happen during a time that would suit multiple continents, not just the us

would it be possible for the streaming to happen during a time that would suit multiple continents, not just the us
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#10
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Antareswould it be possible for the streaming to happen during a time that would suit multiple continents, not just the us

The meeting has people from all continents, so we just do it at a time that works for those involved. We'll make sure the VOD isn't muted so you can watch it back later.

[quote=Antares]would it be possible for the streaming to happen during a time that would suit multiple continents, not just the us[/quote]
The meeting has people from all continents, so we just do it at a time that works for those involved. We'll make sure the VOD isn't muted so you can watch it back later.
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This is just my opinion, but could you create a list of weapons that absolutely need to be banned at the top level of play, and then have others vote on other weapons which, while less powerful, are still cancer to play with/against? I understand that this would have the negative impact of people voting who aren't really experienced enough, but I still feel that the community in general should have a bit of say, because, other then for the purposes of transparency, what purpose does recording a VOD serve? I mean, we won't be able to contest a ruling made in said VOD, nor will most people have direct access to someone participating in the discussion to have their thoughts heard. This may not be what you guys intend to do, but I feel that voting for weapons could have the impact of making community more involved in their game.

This is just my opinion, but could you create a list of weapons that absolutely need to be banned at the top level of play, and then have others vote on other weapons which, while less powerful, are still cancer to play with/against? I understand that this would have the negative impact of people voting who aren't really experienced enough, but I still feel that the community in general should have a bit of say, because, other then for the purposes of transparency, what purpose does recording a VOD serve? I mean, we won't be able to contest a ruling made in said VOD, nor will most people have direct access to someone participating in the discussion to have their thoughts heard. This may not be what you guys intend to do, but I feel that voting for weapons could have the impact of making community more involved in their game.
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#12
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x

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#13
whitelist.tf
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Would be nice if the guy who runs the whitelist website is included in the loop of updating the preset for the global one

Would be nice if the guy who runs the [url=http://whitelist.tf/]whitelist website[/url] is included in the loop of updating the preset for the global one
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#14
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I would stream it if you give me the date and access to the mumble

I would stream it if you give me the date and access to the mumble
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#15
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mitchcliff123I would stream it if you give me the date and access to the mumble

pls no

[quote=mitchcliff123]I would stream it if you give me the date and access to the mumble[/quote]

pls no
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#16
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In the new Trump era I think NA should have it's own whitelist and everyone else can only play with the unlocks banned by NA. Moreover to prevent further fucking with NA 6v6 I propose a "Valve wall" permanently blocking all new unlocks from NA.

Any suspected Overwatch inspired cosmetics to be banned until cleared by a special panel of item investigators.

"Global" whitelist in 2016, smh

In the new Trump era I think NA should have it's own whitelist and everyone else can only play with the unlocks banned by NA. Moreover to prevent further fucking with NA 6v6 I propose a "Valve wall" permanently blocking all new unlocks from NA.

Any suspected Overwatch inspired cosmetics to be banned until cleared by a special panel of item investigators.

"Global" whitelist in 2016, smh
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GentlemanJonmemes

Your desired candidate lost because more people have an opinion that differs to your's OK that's how democracy works now please keep your F- tier memes to yourself while we discuss important things like the next iteration of the Global Whitelist™

[quote=GentlemanJon]memes[/quote]

Your desired candidate lost because more people have an opinion that differs to your's OK that's how democracy works now please keep your F- tier memes to yourself while we discuss important things like the next iteration of the Global Whitelist™
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#18
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ShankyYour desired candidate lost because more people have an opinion that differs to your's OK that's how democracy works now please keep your F- tier memes to yourself while we discuss important things like the next iteration of the Global Whitelist™

You're failing in your first duty as an Australian to control Mitch. As a country that is clearly exporting Mitch to NA TF2 (read up a couple of posts) regardless of the potential consequences, your contributions will now have to go through the Mitch vetting process to ensure you aren't contributing to Mitch, and you may have to pay for a Mitch wall.

Just trying to keep it relevant my man, you don't have to be heavily invested in an election result to spot an opportunity for a little satire.

[quote=Shanky]Your desired candidate lost because more people have an opinion that differs to your's OK that's how democracy works now please keep your F- tier memes to yourself while we discuss important things like the next iteration of the Global Whitelist™[/quote]
You're failing in your first duty as an Australian to control Mitch. As a country that is clearly exporting Mitch to NA TF2 (read up a couple of posts) regardless of the potential consequences, your contributions will now have to go through the Mitch vetting process to ensure you aren't contributing to Mitch, and you may have to pay for a Mitch wall.

Just trying to keep it relevant my man, you don't have to be heavily invested in an election result to spot an opportunity for a little satire.
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#19
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#freemitchcliff123

#freemitchcliff123
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#20
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GentlemanJonan Australian

How dare you confuse my nationality for that of a nation of inferior rugby prowess.
Edit: We lost to Ireland though so ???????

[quote=GentlemanJon]an Australian[/quote]
How dare you confuse my nationality for that of a nation of inferior rugby prowess.
Edit: We lost to Ireland though so ???????
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#21
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ShankyHow dare you confuse my nationality for that of a nation of inferior rugby prowess.
Edit: We lost to Ireland though so ???????

Shit sorry, I apologise unreservedly and without exception

[quote=Shanky]How dare you confuse my nationality for that of a nation of inferior rugby prowess.
Edit: We lost to Ireland though so ???????[/quote]
Shit sorry, I apologise unreservedly and without exception
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ShankyGentlemanJonmemes
Your desired candidate lost because more people have an opinion that differs to your's OK that's how democracy works now please keep your F- tier memes to yourself while we discuss important things like the next iteration of the Global Whitelist™

Sorry but uneducated white Americans putting the nuclear launch codes in the hands of one of the biggest morons in the world is just slightly more important than the next iteration of the Team Fortress 2 Global Whitelist™ Dead Game Edition.

[quote=Shanky][quote=GentlemanJon]memes[/quote]

Your desired candidate lost because more people have an opinion that differs to your's OK that's how democracy works now please keep your F- tier memes to yourself while we discuss important things like the next iteration of the Global Whitelist™[/quote]
Sorry but uneducated white Americans putting the nuclear launch codes in the hands of one of the biggest morons in the world is just [i]slightly[/i] more important than the next iteration of the Team Fortress 2 Global Whitelist™ Dead Game Edition.
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#23
35 Frags +

Hey, let's turn every thread into political "discussion"!

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#24
15 Frags +

ok on topic ban the fucking loch and load it ruined my last season of tf2 kthxbye

ok on topic ban the fucking loch and load it ruined my last season of tf2 kthxbye
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#25
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am I invited to this illuminati meeting

am I even apart of the illuminati no one tells me shit

am I invited to this illuminati meeting

am I even apart of the illuminati no one tells me shit
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#26
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hey can you fuck heads get rid of jarate
thx

hey can you fuck heads get rid of jarate
thx
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#27
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We officially propose mitch to be our Australian competitive TF2 whitelist representative. God help you all.

We officially propose mitch to be our Australian competitive TF2 whitelist representative. God help you all.
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#28
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ban direct hit

ban direct hit
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#29
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tonyswedeyban direct hit

literally the worst soldier unlock to play against

[quote=tonyswedey]ban direct hit[/quote]
literally the worst soldier unlock to play against
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#30
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woah shit I just woke up to this, Why does every thread have to become a meme, seriously I just offered to stream it

woah shit I just woke up to this, Why does every thread have to become a meme, seriously I just offered to stream it
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