Yes. Very philosophical.
I'd like to see what people actually think. Select the weapons/items you want. Not selecting an item assumes you want to ban it.
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In response to http://www.teamfortress.tv/38637/philosophical-question-about-whitelists-blacklists
instead of selecting items that you'd like to be allowed it should be select the items you want banned
because less clicks
While we're at it i'd like to ask is the base jumper really that big of a deal? when the enemy is floating in the air like that he's basically a sitting duck right?
Is the natascha that big of a deal?
IMO the only weapons that should be banned are soda popper, guillotine, atomizer, sydney sleeper, and jarate [Edit, + natascha + rescue ranger
Edit: natascha is a big deal lol
RipTideWhile we're at it i'd like to ask is the base jumper really that big of a deal? when the enemy is floating in the air like that he's basically a sitting duck right?
Is the natascha that big of a deal?
IMO the only weapons that should be banned are soda popper, guillotine, atomizer, sydney sleeper, and jarate
the natascha is annoying as fuck
so is the rescue ranger
and the gunslinger
ah yes
a gamemode designed to be the fastest and most skill-based form of tf2 possible should include a dumb weapon that makes enemies move slower and also makes a tanky class even tankier.
such an improvement to the game!
RipTideWhile we're at it i'd like to ask is the base jumper really that big of a deal? when the enemy is floating in the air like that he's basically a sitting duck right?
actually quite the contrary. i remember someone made a video of pugs where the base jumper was allowed.
https://youtu.be/naIWWNxF1DQ?t=82
RipTideinstead of selecting items that you'd like to be allowed it should be select the items you want banned
because less clicks
that would definitely be more clicks for me
RipTideWhile we're at it i'd like to ask is the base jumper really that big of a deal? when the enemy is floating in the air like that he's basically a sitting duck right?
Is the natascha that big of a deal?
IMO the only weapons that should be banned are soda popper, guillotine, atomizer, sydney sleeper, and jarate
airstrike creates unstoppable soldier bombs practically and the airstrafing with that thing is actually retarded
didnt it almost kill a few invite teams when it was allowed for literally 1 day or something like that?
ps: dont get me started on the power that is an airstrike basejumper bomb when the airstrike soldier has like 8 rockets loaded.
flatlinethe natascha is annoying as fuck
so is the rescue ranger
and the gunslinger
ok i forgot about the rescue ranger lul
crabfactually quite the contrary. i remember someone made a video of pugs where the base jumper was allowed.
https://youtu.be/naIWWNxF1DQ?t=82
I don't get it, they're basically a stationary target, just airshot him lol
i think people just have to get used to the falling speed on the base jumper and it'll be easy
plus i think the downsides balance or even outweigh the upsides
DishSoapRipTideWhile we're at it i'd like to ask is the base jumper really that big of a deal? when the enemy is floating in the air like that he's basically a sitting duck right?airstrike creates unstoppable soldier bombs practically and the airstrafing with that thing is actually retarded
Is the natascha that big of a deal?
IMO the only weapons that should be banned are soda popper, guillotine, atomizer, sydney sleeper, and jarate
didnt it almost kill a few invite teams when it was allowed for literally 1 day or something like that?
ps: dont get me started on the power that is an airstrike basejumper bomb when the airstrike soldier has like 8 rockets loaded.
That's assuming you can get 4 kills in one life with the air strike
base jumper + airtrike bombs should be easily counterable, smaller explosion radius + stationary target, if you just run away while denying him he won't be able to do anything
[EDIT: after some thinking i retract my claims on the air strike ban it lol it's not designed very well]
Ok air strike is debatable
but i think the BASE jumper should definitely be allowed, i personally think it's pretty balanced and will open up new play styles
RipTide i think the BASE jumper should definitely be allowed, i personally think it's pretty balanced and will open up new play styles
https://otvet.imgsmail.ru/download/86347462_da1c4cb55c5a8625e210f1ce25522c71_800.jpg
RipTideI don't get it, they're basically a stationary target, just airshot him lol
i think people just have to get used to the falling speed on the base jumper and it'll be easy
plus i think the downsides balance or even outweigh the upsides
Have u seen the wiggles people who are good with the base jumper do? Its fucking impossible to hit them and infuriating to fight with anything not hitscan.
You really don't actually understand how fast you can strafe around when you have your parachute activated. It starts slow but if you just wiggle your way you start to go really fast, it's not actually easy to airshot + if the soldier just high bombs you can only really chip him while he provides a constant threat and distraction without really being able to be properly shut down. It's overpowered and isn't fun to play against at all.
It's a source game so airstrafing makes you increase speed.
Nobody besides a scout can do anything about a BASE soldier but even then he moves so quickly and can be in unhittable ranges so you can only chip him; there's a reason why everyone wants it to remain banned. We allowed it for like a week or something it was fucking insanely stupid and nobody had anything positive to say about it.
people complain about the natascha but the tomislav or stock is way better and used instead. Base jumper unban would be dumb as fuck gives you a permanent height advantage and makes everyone look at you. Rescue ranger is in no way broken but allows a team to slow the game down easier on last. Forces the other team to have their demo to push a sentry on last. Rangering your gun to different spots and rebuilding it isn't necessarily better than just going back to scout or soldier and stopping the cap. Jarate is frustrating. Loch n load is objectively worse, gunslinger is for idiots, cow mangler is a side grade. Everything else is fine. The only weps I think we should consider as a community rebanning would be the rescue ranger and jarate, I would be fine keeping the same list. Everything else people run they do it to be annoying not to win.
I dislike the airblast because it controls movement, the thing that makes this game fun. Something something donald trump
RipTideinstead of selecting items that you'd like to be allowed it should be select the items you want banned
because less clicks
I agree! At the same time, I wanted people to properly evaluate each weapon and come to terms with whether they really think something should be allowed; rather than work on assumptions that all items were made in a way that offers interesting, balanced, skillful mechanics and strategies etc
My idea for balancing jarate is to divide the soaked time by the amount of players hit. For example, if I hit 4 players with 1 jarate jar, they would each have jarate on them for 2.5 seconds. Please tell me if I'm dumb, but i think this is alright.
Edit: same concept with mad milk
2nd Edit: Also for the machina, if valve made the rate of fire and/or reload time slower, then I think it would be more ideal and fit the playstyle that most 6s sniper use, which is to just charge up and and go for one pick. At the same time, its downsides may make another player not use it, making it kinda balanced.
Ofc these are going to have to be made by valve. :(
just my two cents