4.0 should be doable with the stock cooler. Keep in mind that it can boost to 3.7 already so probably +10% absolute best case.

The difference between the i5-7500 and an overclocked 1500X should be negligible.
Yes, for anything that uses <=2 cores the 7350K (or even just a 7300) on stock clocks will be faster than either and will just shit on them overclocked.

Frankly I'd expect you to run into the GPU limit in any other game way before the CPU starts to matter.
For TF2 the 7300/7320/7350K win easily. A 7350K + Z270 mobo + cooler would probably cost more, but a 7320 is definitely within budget.

It's all rather irrelevant though since by then Coffee Lake should have been launched and buying old dual core i3s seems rather stupid when the new ones are quad cores (at least that's what the slides say).

Nevermind

I will probably get the ryzen 1500x , if i get 100 fps and more while streaming it will be good ( 75hz monitor)

Yes. For streaming the situation is reversed and the 1500X wins easily.

Either way you're going to buy after the Coffee Lake launch so compare it with that before you buy.

Okay , thanks for helping

or you can stream with nvenc which puts very little strain on your cpu. an i3 or i5 would be better then

then what i3-i5 cpu should i get for under 200$ ?

NVENC also needs 10-25 Mbit/s to get the same quality, which is not an option for streaming.
Also the i5-7500 still wouldn't be better. With no load for streaming on the CPU an i3-73x0 will be faster.

And again, Coffee Lake is a thing.

I'd say definitely wait for Coffee Lake. Intel is doing some crazy shenanigans to stay relevant on the market(such as quad-core i3).

you can get very close to it at low bitrates past first gen nvenc chips (600-series). it's more than acceptable as a streaming encoder

but what do i know i just stream for tftv with nvenc, as do most of our producers XD

Oh shit it's an argument from authority. Better ignore MSE, PSNR and SSIM from now on.
Everything is more than acceptable if you lower your standards (or resolution or framerate) enough.

what makes you think his standards are higher than tftv's

In terms of quality for the bitrate x264 is leagues ahead of NVENC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV5btdqQfu4

Which if what you're going for is a good quality stream you would want x264 which in this case the Ryzen 5 would be better largely because it has an extra 4 threads over the i3 and i5, but if your CPU cant handle it while also playing a game that's CPU bound that's when you would use NVENC, VCE, or QuickSync which is why basically every TF2 streamer uses 1 of those.

Standards change and should be regularly updated if something comes out that's better able to support higher quality streams and that's what someone wants to do why should they follow an older lower quality standard?

we're trying to help a guy build a pc on a budget, and saying that nvenc isn't an acceptable streaming encoder is just plain wrong. in this case forcing the guy to use cpu encoding makes him get a more expensive cpu that would run the game worse (while not streaming)

Frankly I don't think so. You come up with the incredibly specific advice "i3 or i5" and then ignore their question.

This is clearly not about helping them. It seems to be a pissing contest to "prove" that your decision to use NVENC is the only acceptable choice.

I've answered the questions in #1 and I've mentioned that Coffee Lake might be the better choice.
Then added the bit about streaming.
Then you posted about NVENC.
I wasn't going to argue about the decision to use CPU encoding one month before anything will happen when the situation will probably change. I already know that if there's a quadcore i3 or hexacore i5 with decent clockrates under 200$ so they can afford it it'll be the obvious choice. I can also take a guess that if that doesn't happen they'll choose the 1500X regardless of everything else.
Anyway, I tried to clarify it, worse quality with NVENC, but should they choose to use it the i3-7320 or 7350K would be the way to go. Still Coffee Lake would probably be a better choice.

I'm trying to help and you somehow feel personally threatened by this?
If you have to try this hard to defend your choice to use NVENC it might be time to reevaluate it.

you just narrowed it down to an i3 or i5 if they weren't streaming, then as soon as streaming became a requirement you said that ryzen was the only solution, when in actual fact it's a worse solution if you use nvenc.

if they use nvenc, which as i said above is perfectly acceptable for streaming (i'd argue better since the quality difference is fairly negligible and it gives you next to no performance/input lag impact when streaming), then an i3 or i5 then becomes the better solution.

if you give them the choice of a ryzen for cpu encoding and i3/i5 for gpu then that's fine, but you completely changed cpu choice for what's actually a non-factor

ofc nvenc isn't the only acceptable choice, but it's the best choice in this scenario, and saying that it needs 10M-25M bitrate to get acceptable quality is plain wrong

NVENC is literally a non-factor in this. You can use QuickSync or AMD VCE with basically the same quality as NVENC. So if they wanted to have a high framerate and have a reasonable stream they can do that with just the i5 or i3 and not even use NVENC.

But if what they want is at minimum of 100fps and be able to have a quality stream Ryzen 5 fits the bill A LOT better than the current iX equivalents. As setsul mention Coffee Lake might be the better choice but that involves waiting.

In the end it's the buyers choice either way they go they'll get a PC that can play TF2 and Stream. i3/i5 will have a higher FPS when not streaming or using hardware encoding, Ryzen 5 will have a better quality stream and higher FPS if using x264. Ryzen 5 will also be faster and doing any other encoding the user may want it'll just cost a tadd more.

Seriously?

Look at the title.

OP wanted to compare these CPUs so I did.

I've worded that pretty clearly. It narrows it down to the i3.

I didn't say only solution, I said it's the better solution.
Considering OP seems reasonable and fairly well informed I assumed they would not choose the CPU with more threads only to use NVENC anyway. If they want to use CPU encoding that is their decision, not mine and not yours. But apparently NVENC is the only solution.

I only stated which is the better choice for each case. I don't judge people based on what they want to use their CPU for. Apparently you do. Because NVENC is the only solution.

Oh, we agree.

Wait nevermind, the "NVENC is the only solution"-robot is back.

Same quality != acceptable quality.
But reading is overrated, right?

Like I said multiple times this is all pointless because of Coffee Lake, yet you must make sure that everyone uses NVENC because the advantages are apparently the best thing since sliced bread and the disadvantages are "negligible". Stop it.
Stop derailing this thread.
You have made exactly zero effort to help OP, you're just here to push your weird agenda and at this point I've spent more time replying to your bullshit than helping OP because it's so god damn aggravating.

So RandomName, wait and see how Coffee Lake performs, especially the i3-8100, i3-8350K and the i5-8400, should it be <200$.
Now close this thread please.

By the way is there is any bottleneck with the ryzen 1500x and gtx 1050ti ? Bottlenecking when lowering the graphical settings ?

Depends on the game.

TF2 will almost always be bottlenecked by the CPU. If I recall a R9 390 with 32x AA is GPU bound but who the fuck does that.

Bottlenecks don't really work like that.

Also the problem is there always has to be a limiting factor, otherwise you'd be getting infinite fps.
In TF2 you'll be CPU limited like everyone else (except with stupidly high settings, see #21), but in most other games if you're not on the absolute lowest settings you'll be GPU limited. Look up benchmarks for a few examples and you'll see.

Ryzen 5 has the better upgrade path.