aiyo, I've been wanting to get into this casting racket for a while now, but I was busy playing.
now that my team didn't make playoffs in IM (lolwesuk), I feel like we have a great opportunity to cast some of the exciting matches during said playoffs. myself and nja are gonna be casting on Tone-Pot's criminally underviewed stream:
http://twitch.tv/tonepot
and tone is gonna be doin the camera work
to test out the stream/our casting, I was thinking of casting the stv of an IM match from the last week or two, either tonight or maybe tomorrow. any ideas for a good match to cast from the last lil while?
aiyo, I've been wanting to get into this casting racket for a while now, but I was busy playing.
now that my team didn't make playoffs in IM (lolwesuk), I feel like we have a great opportunity to cast some of the exciting matches during said playoffs. myself and nja are gonna be casting on Tone-Pot's criminally underviewed stream:
http://twitch.tv/tonepot
and tone is gonna be doin the camera work
to test out the stream/our casting, I was thinking of casting the stv of an IM match from the last week or two, either tonight or maybe tomorrow. any ideas for a good match to cast from the last lil while?
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=3194628
cast this one!
[quote]myself and nja[/quote]
oh god
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=3158650
EDIT: oh, only badlands and granary?
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=3194627
[quote=cozen]http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=3194628
cast this one![/quote]
ye
[quote=4812622]EDIT: oh, only badlands and granary?
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=3194627[/quote]
5v6?
are the minusfrags cuz I made this post or cuz people think this is a bad idea?
if its the former I dont care but Id like to know the problems people have with casting IM playoff games if any
are the minusfrags cuz I made this post or cuz people think this is a bad idea?
if its the former I dont care but Id like to know the problems people have with casting IM playoff games if any
The -frags are because people love to shut other people down when they're trying to do something positive for the community. or so it seems.
The -frags are because people love to shut other people down when they're trying to do something positive for the community. or so it seems.
Nice idea since there hasn't really been that much IM coverage this season. Will you guys be doing this next season as well?
Nice idea since there hasn't really been that much IM coverage this season. Will you guys be doing this next season as well?
Can't wait!
Have no clue why people are -fragging.
Can't wait!
Have no clue why people are -fragging.
So basically, this will be the debut episode of The Mustard Show, with our eponymous host talking at his audience and "co-casters" (who will be doing 0 casting, and only interjecting anything when mustard runs out of breath and is forced to get artificial air from a container by his bedside) for roughly an hour, which incidentally offers a very accurate glimpse into the average night of scrims for mustard's team.
I expect mustard to take a very bl4nk-like approach to casting, eg. telling the teams that what they're doing is wrong and dumb, and offering insight into what they can improve upon, only it's made a lot more funny by the fact that mustard is at best only marginally better than the people he will be evaluating. And if nja is able to get more than 10 words out during the duration of the cast, you can look for him to adopt a more traditional role of talking about the plays as a caster normally would, though it might become awkward as the cast progresses and mustard degenerates into a blathering mess of vaguely aimed criticisms of the players in the match.
All in all, I expect this to be a very entertaining and informative start to a hopefully long-lived series by Mustard & Co. (but mostly mustard), even if most of the entertainment and information is derived from me exaggeratedly talking to several people over steam, whom I will be roping into watching at least a little bit of the show tonight.
So basically, this will be the debut episode of The Mustard Show, with our eponymous host talking at his audience and "co-casters" (who will be doing 0 casting, and only interjecting anything when mustard runs out of breath and is forced to get artificial air from a container by his bedside) for roughly an hour, which incidentally offers a very accurate glimpse into the average night of scrims for mustard's team.
I expect mustard to take a very bl4nk-like approach to casting, eg. telling the teams that what they're doing is wrong and dumb, and offering insight into what they can improve upon, only it's made a lot more funny by the fact that mustard is at best only marginally better than the people he will be evaluating. And if nja is able to get more than 10 words out during the duration of the cast, you can look for him to adopt a more traditional role of talking about the plays as a caster normally would, though it might become awkward as the cast progresses and mustard degenerates into a blathering mess of vaguely aimed criticisms of the players in the match.
All in all, I expect this to be a very entertaining and informative start to a hopefully long-lived series by Mustard & Co. (but mostly mustard), even if most of the entertainment and information is derived from me exaggeratedly talking to several people over steam, whom I will be roping into watching at least a little bit of the show tonight.
dianastuff
that's some nice speculation right there. lucky for everyone, I've casted before, so they can make up their own mind about how I do it
see:
http://www.twitch.tv/pudding7/b/334468368
p.s. isn't it a compliment to say I'm marginally better than IM playoff players?
[quote=diana]stuff[/quote]
that's some nice speculation right there. lucky for everyone, I've casted before, so they can make up their own mind about how I do it
see:
http://www.twitch.tv/pudding7/b/334468368
p.s. isn't it a compliment to say I'm marginally better than IM playoff players?
were doing this in about 10 minutes
were doing this in about 10 minutes
guys, we're basically starting asap, GET READY 2 ROCK
http://twitch.tv/tonepot
guys, we're basically starting asap, GET READY 2 ROCK
http://twitch.tv/tonepot
oh, and we're casting the instant breakfast vs. mpp game, GET PUMPED
oh, and we're casting the instant breakfast vs. mpp game, GET PUMPED
well, that was a fun cast bros!
any feedback for the next casts?
well, that was a fun cast bros!
any feedback for the next casts?
feedback?
- how was mustard at controlling himself?
- how was I at actually opening my shy mouth?
- camera work suggestions for tonepot?
We appreciate anyone who watched and the VOD should be uploaded on TonePot's video section.
feedback?
- how was mustard at controlling himself?
- how was I at actually opening my shy mouth?
- camera work suggestions for tonepot?
We appreciate anyone who watched and the VOD should be uploaded on TonePot's video section.
here's the vod guys
http://www.twitch.tv/tonepot/b/373261485
let each other talk
sniper is not autistic
let each other talk
sniper is not autistic
K nobody else has posted so I'll start. I really enjoyed the cast and hope that you guys continue in the future. Casting, just like anything else, is something that requires practice and the more you do it the better you'll get.
For Casters:
Decide your casting style. What is the role of the casters? For some casts you have casters that tell people what is happening that the camera cannot see. For other casts the casters explain less of "who is killing who" and instead analyze the situation for the viewers. If you watch it back you'll realize that what you're doing is kind of mixed and confusing.
Casting is less about trying to find things to say and more about telling a story. You guys don't tell much of a story at all, and what you end up doing instead is seeing one thing or another and just saying it out loud. Because that sort of thing needs to be timely, the end result is you two just talking over each other. What also happens is the length of each of your talking points is about 2-3 seconds and you trade back and forth constantly. Try going for 10 seconds and trading after talking for longer.
It's OK to have two play-by-play casters but if one guy starts it, but let him finish before the next guy starts talking. Chances are that you're both watching the same thing anyways. Part of building chemistry is learning when the other guy is going to finish talking. When casters talk over each other it sounds awful.
Part of the reason that happens is because you don't fully trust each other to talk about all the action just yet. In an ideal situation one caster can actually cover all of the action. The reason you have two is because you can watch different things and fill in the gaps for each other. The reason you don't have three casters is because then you just have too many people talking or wanting to talk.
Overall, nice job. At the beginning it was mostly MustardOverlord saying things of value and Nja agreeing with it and maybe adding a small point here or there. Near the end of the cast you really found your stride -- you guys calmed down, found your talking points, and really created something of value. I know that you're both skilled players so find your style and go with it. Consider watching other casts together and talking to each other about what you like and don't like. Not just TF2 casts but other competitive games as well. Try doing a solo cast on your own just to see what it is like, and then when you join forces you'll realize why you have the second person.
For Cameraman:
Couple quick notes to get out of the way and then I'll address the bulk of the situation.
1. Turn on viewmodels. It will look weird to people who don't normally watch TF2.
2. Consider using a different UI. It's not bad, but it is a bit hard to read and it is visually hard to understand. It also takes up a weird space on the bottom of the screen.
3. Turn off steam community in-game.
4. Try to find a way to stream 16:9 as the letterbox format (black bars on the side) look bad.
5. Take off the cl_showfps in the top right.
6. End of round scoreboard covers everything and is super ugly.
Being a cameraman is tough. You have to handle the production side and then also capture all the best moments of the game. You did a decent job of doing it, but as you saw it is hard to move through the POVs with just left and right click. You did a nice job of it though. Sound balance was great too.
It might just be me but when I was watching your camera work it looked like you'd just go through the POVs looking for some action. That is OK but it's better if you can use your gamesense to predict what will happen next. Blue is winning 6v4? They'll probably push. Look to the pocket or a scout for some action there. Even ubers and teams are just holding? Etc. See what is happening on the flank. Just try to think a few steps ahead. Great cast overall.
K nobody else has posted so I'll start. I really enjoyed the cast and hope that you guys continue in the future. Casting, just like anything else, is something that requires practice and the more you do it the better you'll get.
[b]For Casters:[/b]
Decide your casting style. What is the role of the casters? For some casts you have casters that tell people what is happening that the camera cannot see. For other casts the casters explain less of "who is killing who" and instead analyze the situation for the viewers. If you watch it back you'll realize that what you're doing is kind of mixed and confusing.
Casting is less about trying to find things to say and more about telling a story. You guys don't tell much of a story at all, and what you end up doing instead is seeing one thing or another and just saying it out loud. Because that sort of thing needs to be timely, the end result is you two just talking over each other. What also happens is the length of each of your talking points is about 2-3 seconds and you trade back and forth constantly. Try going for 10 seconds and trading after talking for longer.
It's OK to have two play-by-play casters but if one guy starts it, but let him finish before the next guy starts talking. Chances are that you're both watching the same thing anyways. Part of building chemistry is learning when the other guy is going to finish talking. When casters talk over each other it sounds awful.
Part of the reason that happens is because you don't fully trust each other to talk about all the action just yet. In an ideal situation one caster can actually cover all of the action. The reason you have two is because you can watch different things and fill in the gaps for each other. The reason you don't have three casters is because then you just have too many people talking or wanting to talk.
Overall, nice job. At the beginning it was mostly MustardOverlord saying things of value and Nja agreeing with it and maybe adding a small point here or there. Near the end of the cast you really found your stride -- you guys calmed down, found your talking points, and really created something of value. I know that you're both skilled players so find your style and go with it. Consider watching other casts together and talking to each other about what you like and don't like. Not just TF2 casts but other competitive games as well. Try doing a solo cast on your own just to see what it is like, and then when you join forces you'll realize why you have the second person.
[b]For Cameraman:[/b]
Couple quick notes to get out of the way and then I'll address the bulk of the situation.
1. Turn on viewmodels. It will look weird to people who don't normally watch TF2.
2. Consider using a different UI. It's not bad, but it is a bit hard to read and it is visually hard to understand. It also takes up a weird space on the bottom of the screen.
3. Turn off steam community in-game.
4. Try to find a way to stream 16:9 as the letterbox format (black bars on the side) look bad.
5. Take off the cl_showfps in the top right.
6. End of round scoreboard covers everything and is super ugly.
Being a cameraman is tough. You have to handle the production side and then also capture all the best moments of the game. You did a decent job of doing it, but as you saw it is hard to move through the POVs with just left and right click. You did a nice job of it though. Sound balance was great too.
It might just be me but when I was watching your camera work it looked like you'd just go through the POVs looking for some action. That is OK but it's better if you can use your gamesense to predict what will happen next. Blue is winning 6v4? They'll probably push. Look to the pocket or a scout for some action there. Even ubers and teams are just holding? Etc. See what is happening on the flank. Just try to think a few steps ahead. Great cast overall.
Couple other notes for the casters because I ran out of space:
1. Never be wrong.
2. Never start talking only to realize that you had nothing to say.
3. Think about what you're going to say while the other guy is talking.
4. Listen to your co-caster! Work off of what he is saying if possible.
5. Don't be afraid of silence.
6. Don't hog the spotlight.
7. Tell a story.
8. Work as a team.
9. Thank your cameraman.
10. Have fun! It's weird but people can hear when you're smiling.
Props to all of you guys for putting yourselves out there and I hope that more people follow your lead.
Couple other notes for the casters because I ran out of space:
1. Never be wrong.
2. Never start talking only to realize that you had nothing to say.
3. Think about what you're going to say while the other guy is talking.
4. Listen to your co-caster! Work off of what he is saying if possible.
5. Don't be afraid of silence.
6. Don't hog the spotlight.
7. Tell a story.
8. Work as a team.
9. Thank your cameraman.
10. Have fun! It's weird but people can hear when you're smiling.
Props to all of you guys for putting yourselves out there and I hope that more people follow your lead.
fraacNever be wrong?
It's a tip I got from a caster in another game. Basically it means always try to say things that are correct. If you say something that is incorrect you either have to spend air time correcting yourself or you don't (purposely or because you didn't realize it) and people call you out on it later.
You're trying to be a reliable source of information.
[quote=fraac]Never be wrong?[/quote]
It's a tip I got from a caster in another game. Basically it means always try to say things that are correct. If you say something that is incorrect you either have to spend air time correcting yourself or you don't (purposely or because you didn't realize it) and people call you out on it later.
You're trying to be a reliable source of information.